Listener comments!

🤖 ♥ 5:35pm
: Mark! Techtonigraphers!   6:01pm
David (in London): Evening Mark and all assembled Technoids 🤖 ♥ 6:01pm
Bas NL: Hello Mark! Hello all! 🤖 ♥ 6:02pm
Ken From Hyde Park: If one claims AI can't write, then by extension, it can't write code either, right?   6:02pm
wendy del formaggio: Hi Mark! Tuning in on my surveillance device. For better or worse… ♥ 6:03pm
Mark T: Good evening and what’s the hot topic tonight 🤖 ♥ 6:03pm
Spikey BXL: Hi Mark, gintonics ♥ 6:04pm
People Like Us: yes, as a sampling tool 🤖 ♥ 6:04pm
Will thee SG OCNY: Good evening Mark Hurst and all!!! 🤖 ♥ 6:04pm
Bas NL: Never touched it.   6:04pm
rocky coast: Yes :/ I use it to edit my work emails   6:04pm
Tom from Stirling: AI? you mean A1? 🤖 ♥ 6:05pm
Deano de los Muertos: Hi Mark and all. 🤖 ♥ 6:05pm
Deano de los Muertos: What are your thoughts on A1? ♥ 6:05pm
People Like Us: it's down to how much you want to search yourself ♥ 6:05pm
Troy:

↳ People Like Us @6:04

Like in sound sampling?   6:05pm
Marie in Chicago: I love how "they" came up with "hallucinating" for describing the creating and inserting of errors 🤖 ♥ 6:05pm
Deano de los Muertos:

↳ Tom from Stirling @6:04

🤭   6:05pm
Anon Freq Commenter: Only for cover letters, since cover letters are stupid mindless bullshit. So generative AI is a good fit for that. 🤖 ♥ 6:05pm
chris in the redwoods: have not used chat gpt. have used copilot for work stuff. ♥ 6:05pm
Adi From Sheffield: I've used it to format images specifically but not for content creation. ♥ 6:06pm
People Like Us:

↳ Troy @6:05

text arrangement, as samples, so yes, like sound but as text 🤖 ♥ 6:06pm
ultradamno: Better than Heinz 57 ♥ 6:06pm
tom tom the pipers son: in her substack ….lucy sante describes the taylorization of the book trade and the specialization of writers to fit it…I feel language a.i. is just another layer to this taylorization   6:06pm
Tom from Stirling:

↳ Deano de los Muertos @6:05

Good for kindergartens 🤖 ♥ 6:06pm
Webhamster Henry: Hi Friends! Interview time! I exploit the fact that GPT-2 can't write! ♥ 6:07pm
Troy:

↳ People Like Us @6:06

interesting. ♥ 6:07pm
PaulRobeson1925: Ok 🤖 ♥ 6:07pm
Spikey BXL: Don't play the Extreme song with the same title. You're better than that Mark. 6:07pm
morphe':

↳ Tom from Stirling @6:04

AI or A1 was chatted earlier ..

A1 = UK "Great Northern Highway"

🤖 ♥ 6:07pm
Webhamster Henry:

↳ Ken From Hyde Park @6:02

"It's not writing, it's typing" trust me, much of "coding" is just "typing". ♥ 6:07pm
Ciggy: Hi Mark
Gift article for our listeners:
Trump like this Deportation App.

This Company’s Surveillance Tech Makes Immigrants ‘Easy Pickings’ for Trump www.nytimes.com...
.

🤖 ♥ 6:08pm
herb.nyc: Hola. I’ll bet AI will say author John Warner is married to Elizabeth Taylor. ♥ 6:08pm
People Like Us: I like to think of LLMs being like the Library of Babel 🤖 ♥ 6:09pm
ultradamno: That the woman who is in charge of education made that gaffe... ♥ 6:09pm
People Like Us: I like how the Internet Archive is IA 🤖 ♥ 6:09pm
Webhamster Henry:

↳ morphe' @6:07

"A1" is the Worcestershire sauce of thought.   6:09pm
Saltonstall: The only thing I’ve used AI for is to create images of imaginary pro wrestlers. The 13-fingered mat mavens created by AI were hilariously bad, but still amazing. Now when I use open AI todo the same, the wrestlers are all generic cartoony grapplers. 🤖 ♥ 6:10pm
Webhamster Henry:

↳ People Like Us @6:09

LLMs certainly have been trained on the IA .. and audio models have definitely been trained on the Free Music Archive. ♥ 6:10pm
People Like Us:

↳ Webhamster Henry @6:09

quote of the evening ♥ 6:10pm
Peter from Saranac Lake NY: Hello Mark and techies. 🤖 ♥ 6:10pm
Webhamster Henry:

↳ People Like Us @6:09

Hi Vicki! I was at EMPAC's 360 degree theatre last week. ♥ 6:11pm
People Like Us:

↳ Webhamster Henry @6:10

what was that like? ♥ 6:11pm
Mark Hurst: Hi everyone, thanks for joining! ♥ 6:11pm
People Like Us:

↳ Webhamster Henry @6:10

I would love to do something there but don't know how to get a human to answer me ♥ 6:12pm
People Like Us:

↳ Mark Hurst @6:11

hi Mark :) ♥ 6:12pm
Mark Hurst:

↳ People Like Us @6:12

Hi Vicki! Appreciate you joining us. 🤖 ♥ 6:12pm
Webhamster Henry:

↳ People Like Us @6:11

It was not really using the 360°edness, but the space is small-ish, but probably works. ♥ 6:13pm
People Like Us: I totally think of talkiing to LLMs like talking to your dog ♥ 6:13pm
Mark Hurst:

↳ People Like Us @6:10

I agree ♥ 6:13pm
People Like Us: and i don't have a dog 🤖 ♥ 6:13pm
Bas NL: Define 'thought'. 🤖 ♥ 6:13pm
ultradamno:

↳ Saltonstall @6:09

I used it once to try and come up with a Barbenheimer style visual mash-up for the weekend Furiosa and Garfield were both premiering mastodon.social... ♥ 6:13pm
People Like Us:

↳ Webhamster Henry @6:12

most people just can't get beyond the novelty 🤖 ♥ 6:13pm
Webhamster Henry:

↳ People Like Us @6:13

That's a whole thing in the interspecies communication world. 🤖 ♥ 6:14pm
ultradamno: I regret nothing ♥ 6:14pm
People Like Us:

↳ ultradamno @6:13

I have made that 🤖 ♥ 6:14pm
Webhamster Henry:

↳ People Like Us @6:13

The programming was not really using the space, it was just using two of the projectors, really. ♥ 6:14pm
cosmic matrix: Hello fellers. I use ChatGpt, through duckduckgo! It’s amazing. It helps me code, figure out electronic stuff, and i have used it to do some writing, for my own creative purposes! I feel guilty for the environmental effect but the Duckduckgo is self-limited, so hey. ♥ 6:15pm
People Like Us: I just know that no one else is going to listen to me for this long talking about what I'm talking about and I'm happy for the dog to talk back so long as it keeps me focussed on the dog ♥ 6:16pm
People Like Us:

↳ Webhamster Henry @6:14

they just think "how many projectors" then just repeat it over that many projectors. how can i get to them? 🤖 ♥ 6:16pm
Webhamster Henry:

↳ People Like Us @6:16

I'll send you an email! ♥ 6:17pm
People Like Us:

↳ Webhamster Henry @6:16

thank you 6:18pm
morphe':

↳ Song: "Interview with John Warner"

Re: The Book Stacks = Cast-iron Book Alcoves Cincinnati Library ="demolished 1955.." [not fact checked] The old Boy's High on Marcy Ave Bklyn has a 2 storey version ... such as lovely sight, but devoid of books... ♥ 6:19pm
Peter from Saranac Lake NY: I'm a sometime journalist. The only A1, uh, AI that I use is an app called Otter. It transcribes recorded interviews. Adjacent to, but not what's being discussed.

It saves a lot of drudgery, but definitely makes error.

🤖 ♥ 6:19pm
ultradamno:

↳ People Like Us @6:14

Do share...there's probably something to be done with Ex-Machina and Companion.   6:20pm
estmcmxci.eth: been tuning into this show for the past two years—still the most consistently ignoramus and misinformative take on tech out there. congrats. 6:21pm
morphe':

↳ ultradamno @6:19

Yes ... let us call in the deus ex-machina[plural] to deal with the current white house and the swarms of bad actors ... ♥ 6:22pm
cosmic matrix: ia801406.us.archive.org... 🤖 ♥ 6:24pm
ultradamno: Anomalisa is a good one, though Kaufman is leaning into the uncanny valley... 🤖 ♥ 6:25pm
Webhamster Henry:

↳ ultradamno @6:24

Anomalisa was actual stop motion though! I loved the set dressing in that film! ♥ 6:26pm
PaulRobeson1925: John Warner reminds me of Neil Postman 🤖 ♥ 6:27pm
tim: Hi Mark and friends! 🤖 ♥ 6:27pm
ultradamno: Yeah, not motion capture, true.   6:27pm
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↳ estmcmxci.eth @6:20

Thanks for checking in ... the neologism related to you is Ignoranus = a person who is both ignorant and an asshole..

https://app.ens.domains/estmcmxci.eth

🤖 ♥ 6:29pm
Webhamster Henry: BTW, I used Elevenlabs to help me make this piece to remind people what 1 million is: one thousand thousands.

thejazzkissingers.bandcamp.com...

♥ 6:29pm
PaulRobeson1925: @Mark: the internet is a total flop ♥ 6:29pm
People Like Us: interacting with the dog is also thinking, we just have to know it's a dog 🤖 ♥ 6:32pm
Deano de los Muertos:

↳ estmcmxci.eth @6:20

Glad you’re enjoying it   6:33pm
Tom of Tom and Julia: From Wikipedia:
The creator of Tang, William A. Mitchell, also invented Pop Rocks, Cool Whip, a form of instant-set Jell-O, and other convenience foods. 6:33pm
MarciB: I can't imagine not reading for pleasure. My nickname as a kid was "bookworm". And still is ;) 🤖 ♥ 6:33pm
ultradamno: I've always felt she interacted with a dog...named Sam...the bizarre part of the story is she listened to him cdn.ebaumsworld.com...   6:36pm
Tom from Stirling:

↳ MarciB @6:33

What are you reading now? 🤖 ♥ 6:36pm
ultradamno: Brain rot is real 🤖 ♥ 6:40pm
ultradamno:

↳ Tom of Tom and Julia @6:33

A real specialist in the field of ingestible substances ♥ 6:41pm
Mark Hurst:

↳ Tom of Tom and Julia @6:33

I remember in the "Blues Brothers," John Candy orders an orange whip. Maybe that was made with cool whip? ♥ 6:41pm
Henry Hudson's Distant Relative: Maybe you've discussed: one problem with AI-generated art is the unsuitability of machine algorithms to deal with nonbinary quantities, which are the basis of ambiguity, nuance, and inner conflict - the building blocks of art and humanity.   6:41pm
wendy del formaggio: What a wonderful interview this is. Thank you, Mark and John! ❤️📚 ♥ 6:42pm
Mark Hurst:

↳ wendy del formaggio @6:41

Thanks, Wendy! Appreciate you being with us :) 🤖 ♥ 6:42pm
Webhamster Henry: Hey Owl Sun and the Soul 'n' Soul Bunny are algorithmic! 🤖 ♥ 6:43pm
ultradamno:

↳ Mark Hurst @6:41

www.cocktailwave.com... 6:43pm
MarciB:

↳ Tom from Stirling @6:36

Just finished "Get the Picture" by Bianca Bosker (about the art world). Pretty good and I learned a lot! ♥ 6:43pm
Adi From Sheffield: Interesting the premise of taking time to read for John is kind of like my experiencing of drawing each day.   6:43pm
Mr. Reynard: I think about this conversation in relation to the work of WFMU alumnus Kenneth Goldsmith and his work in experimental poetry, where the editing of large bodies of text becomes a work of literature in and of itself. I miss the fact that earlier models of ChatGPT get things wrong in weird and interesting ways. Maybe work needs to be done in different ways of training AI, one which statistically values nonobvious answers, however one might do that. I’ve told friends that I’m more interested in artificial stupidity than artificial intelligence for that reason.

As Nam June Paik might say,
Make Technology Ridiculous Again

🤖 ♥ 6:44pm
Handy Haversack: Been listening as we change up gears here in Seattle, Mark. Good stuff! ♥ 6:44pm
Mark Hurst:

↳ Handy Haversack @6:44

Hi Handy! Greetings to the pacnw. 6:44pm
MarciB:

↳ Tom from Stirling @6:36

I love non fiction but am always looking for good historical fiction.   6:44pm
Marie in Chicago: I am loving this show. I used to be a major reader and was a professional writer for a while. Now I'm a medical editor and it is kind of killing my reading--it's sad 🤖 ♥ 6:44pm
Webhamster Henry: Just a reminder: there's a big Techtonic bibliography over on techtonic.fm lombardoc4.github.io... 6:44pm
MarciB: love the book recs!   6:45pm
Ed P: FIFTH BUSINESS rules   6:45pm
Tom from Stirling: All the Lonesome Dove books are great with Gus and Woodrow 🤖 ♥ 6:45pm
Webhamster Henry:

↳ Mr. Reynard @6:43

I run GPT-2 right here on my laptop. It's not very disciplined!   6:45pm
Mr. Reynard: I should say earlier versions of GPT rather than ChatGPT   6:45pm
Tom of Tom and Julia: Again Wikipedia: “An orange whip is a sweet cocktail made with rum, vodka, cream and orange juice. It is typically blended to a froth like a milkshake, and poured over ice in a Collins glass.”
Sounds like an alcoholic Creamsicle ♥ 6:45pm
Mark Hurst:

↳ MarciB @6:44

For historical fiction, I love Patrick O'Brian's Master and Commander series. 🤖 ♥ 6:46pm
ultradamno:

↳ Tom of Tom and Julia @6:45

See my post at 6:43 for recipe   6:46pm
Tom from Stirling:

↳ MarciB @6:44

Check Wolf Hall then by Hilary Mantel ♥ 6:46pm
Mark Hurst:

↳ Tom of Tom and Julia @6:45

I guess you have to order an orange whip *with* cool whip ♥ 6:47pm
Henry Hudson's Distant Relative: I know Mark was asking for John's recommendation, but here's one from an eavesdropper: 'Jerusalem' by Alan Moore. ♥ 6:47pm
Mark Hurst:

↳ Tom from Stirling @6:46

Don't miss the Fifth Queen series from Ford Madox Ford. Amazing 🤖 ♥ 6:48pm
ultradamno: Picture of an orange whip i.pinimg.com... 🤖 ♥ 6:48pm
Hopey Sockmonkey: I believe the Orange Whip referenced in Blues Bros is similar to Orange Julius. Or Orange Bang. 🤖 ♥ 6:49pm
chris in the redwoods:

↳ ultradamno @6:48

hahahahaha! 🤖 ♥ 6:49pm
Handy Haversack:

↳ Mark Hurst @6:45

I read Shogun recently and honestly enjoyed it more than I expected to.   6:49pm
Zinn The Mood: If our children are up before us they sit on the couch together, open their books and read.   6:49pm
Tom from Stirling:

↳ Mark Hurst @6:47

ty, Mark 🤖 ♥ 6:49pm
ultradamno: Given the context, it's the cocktail 78.media.tumblr.com... 6:50pm
MarciB:

↳ Mark Hurst @6:45

Oh - that's been recommended to me many times. Thanks Mark! 🤖 ♥ 6:50pm
Handy Haversack:

↳ Tom of Tom and Julia @6:45

Tom, we were looking for Julia in the sched. of that SI nonna restaurant and didn't see her listed! Did we miss it?   6:50pm
Tom from Stirling:

↳ Handy Haversack @6:49

also a great book 6:50pm
MarciB:

↳ Zinn The Mood @6:49

That's a testament to you as parents too. Well done! 🤖 ♥ 6:51pm
Webhamster Henry: Hey, bad writing is also writing - you don't need an AI to get bad, thoughtless writing! 🤖 ♥ 6:51pm
ultradamno:

↳ ultradamno @6:49

...or not, it has it's own logo external-content.duckduckgo.com...   6:52pm
morphe': Writing and thought leading deeper thoughts and sometimes knowledge === heuristic 🤖 ♥ 6:54pm
Handy Haversack:

↳ Tom from Stirling @6:50

Well, I don't know a 1200-page book that couldn't use an editor, but it was better than I thought it would be. 🤖 ♥ 6:54pm
Handy Haversack: Thanks, Mark!   6:55pm
Mary Jean: Love listening whenever I can. I feature books in my art practice, paired with social commentary. Have a look when you have time. mjcanziani.com Thanks   6:55pm
Zinn The Mood:

↳ MarciB @6:50

We made it a point to make library visits a weekly or twice weekly event that they look forward to.

On average between the two they take out between 15 and 25 books at a time.

When I found out I was having kids later in life I committed to one really important thing to me: I wanted them to always know a father who had a book in his hands. So when all around at the playground almost all the other parents are staring at their phones there’s their old dad with his trusty old book.

So far so good!

🤖 ♥ 6:56pm
Deano de los Muertos: I’m hearing even movies are too long for some younger folks 🤖 ♥ 6:57pm
Webhamster Henry:

↳ Zinn The Mood @6:55

My kids were also "check out a shelf of books" kids. They also really liked Sherlock Holmes and its kind of antique British verbiage was no impediment to their reading. 🤖 ♥ 6:57pm
Deano de los Muertos: Thanks Mark! 🤖 ♥ 6:57pm
ultradamno: Well, at least it will soon be unlikely there will be anyplace that allows you to see a menu without scanning a QR code   6:57pm
kleoville: This is all sadly true. I teach at a high school for academic high achievers and the use of AI generated text is upsetting. It is enticing because they are worried about grades and don't know how to approach a challenging writing assignment, even if it opinion based! Kids don't watch too many movies these days either.   6:58pm
hendrix wolfbat: omg no more tech bros deciding anything for any of us!   6:58pm
wendy del formaggio: My book recommendation: Haruki Murikami’s new book, “The City and its Uncertain Walls.” I’m reading it now. So good! 🤖 ♥ 6:58pm
chris in the redwoods: thanks, Mark. thanks Prof. Warner. ♥ 6:59pm
Adi From Sheffield: I've just enjoyed The Great When by Alan Moore. ♥ 6:59pm
Adi From Sheffield: Thanks Mark, Night all.   6:59pm
Sam: When I was in college not all that long ago we had to do so much reading and I could never keep up. It’s hard to believe how much things have changed.   7:00pm
Fredericks:

↳ Song: "More Than Words" by "Marissa Nadler & Stephen Bro...

Who wrote this song?   7:01pm
Zinn The Mood: Currently I’m reading Mark Fisher’s “Capitalist Realism,” and Steve Hendricks “The Oldest Cure In The World.” 🤖 ♥ 7:01pm
Bas NL: Thanks Mark! Thanks John