This week we're joined by Paul Butler, the founder of Drifting in Space. At his company they're exploring new ways to build web apps through Session Lived Application. They're building an open source tool to enabled this architecture called Spawner. On top of that they're building JamSocket, a tool that makes it easy to build these types of apps. [Join our patreon for the full episode](https://www.patreon.com/devtoolsfm). [Twitter](https://twitter.com/paulgb) [GitHub](https://github.com/paulgb) [Company](https://driftingin.space) [JamSocket](https://jamsocket.com) [spawner](https://github.com/drifting-in-space/spawner) [aper](https://aper.dev)