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Techtonic with Mark Hurst | WFMU

"Muskism" authors Quinn Slobodian and Ben Tarnoff: Techtonic with Mark Hurst When is it OK to use AI?: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Julie Scelfo, founder of Mothers Against Media Addiction (MAMA): Techtonic with Mark Hurst Andrew Guthrie Ferguson, author, "Your Data Will Be Used Against You": Techtonic with Mark Hurst Starlink and Kessler Syndrome, feat. astronomer Samantha Lawler: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Cindy Cohn, author, "Privacy's Defender": Techtonic with Mark Hurst Evan Selinger and Albert Fox Cahn, authors, "Move Slow and Upgrade" from Apr 6, 2026 Dystopia update: good news edition from Mar 30, 2026 Janet Vertesi, founder of the Opt Out Project from Mar 23, 2026 A visit to Repair Cafe El Barrio from Mar 16, 2026 Marathon week 2 w/cohost Jesse Jarnow from Mar 9, 2026 Marathon week 1 w/cohost station manager Ken Freedman from Mar 2, 2026 Celebrating 400 episodes of Techtonic from Feb 23, 2026 Chris Gilliard on Amazon’s admission that Ring spies on us from Feb 16, 2026 Peter Dear ("The World As We Know It") and how we interpret AI from Feb 9, 2026 AI is spreading where it doesn't belong from Feb 2, 2026 Peter Schmidt on the book "Attensity" by the Friends of Attention from Jan 26, 2026 Paul Bradley Carr, author, "The Confessions" from Jan 19, 2026 Lora Kolodny from CNBC on Grok's sexualized images from Jan 12, 2026 Ken Freedman and Mark discuss the year ahead from Jan 5, 2026 Tim Wu, author, "The Age of Extraction" from Dec 29, 2025 The Ghost of Christmas Tech Anxieties - Sara Clemens and Stu Horvath fill in, with guest Adam Allsuch Boardman from Dec 22, 2025 The first annual Creepy Awards from Dec 15, 2025 Noah McCormack from The Baffler: "We used to read things in this country" from Dec 8, 2025 Amateur radio is a superpower: Thomas Witherspoon from Dec 1, 2025 Citizens are being forced to pay for Big Tech data centers, feat. Pat Garofalo from Nov 24, 2025 How low can the tech oligarchs go? from Nov 17, 2025 Paul Mozur on the spread of data centers from Nov 10, 2025 Aram Sinnreich, co-author, "The Secret Life of Data" from Nov 3, 2025 Widening inequality and Big Tech surveillance, feat. Dan Currell from Oct 27, 2025 Filmmaker Amanda Hanna-McLeer on the Luddite renaissance from Oct 20, 2025 The protest against smartphones, with Logan Lane from Oct 13, 2025 AI and surveillance keep spreading: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Megan Greenwell, author, "Bad Company: Private Equity and the Death of the American Dream": Techtonic with Mark Hurst Glenn Adamson, author, "A Century of Tomorrows" from Sep 22, 2025 Joseph Weizenbaum warned us about AI 50 years ago (feat. Faine Greenwood): Techtonic with Mark Hurst Milestones for Big Tech... and Techtonic: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Cory Doctorow, author and journalist: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Webb Keane, author, "Animals, Robots, Gods": Techtonic with Mark Hurst If/Then/Else - Sara Clemens and Stu Horvath fill in, with guest Brendan Keogh: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Adam Becker, author, "More Everything Forever": Techtonic with Mark Hurst Three emerging dystopias: money, water, and truth: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Duncan Moench on "soylent screens" and producerism: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Ed Park, author, "An Oral History of Atlantis": Techtonic with Mark Hurst Burn Hollywood Burn - Will AI save the movies? Dan Morfitt fills in with guest John Ashbrook: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Compulsory surveillance and other threats: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Lori Emerson, author, "Other Networks": Techtonic with Mark Hurst Unveiling our new theme song by Kirk Pearson, and Big Tech alternatives: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Matt Warwick fills in for Techtonic with Co-Host HurstBot: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Emily M. Bender and Alex Hanna, authors, "The AI Con": Techtonic with Mark Hurst David Greenwood, author, "The Cloud Intern": Techtonic with Mark Hurst Surveillance scholar Chris Gilliard on Facebook's spy glasses: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Discussing "Careless People" by Facebook whistleblower Sarah Wynn-Williams: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Sybil Derrible, author, "The Infrastructure Book": Techtonic with Mark Hurst Dan Morfitt and Mark Hurst discuss dystopian movies: Techtonic with Mark Hurst The Defunding of Public Radio with Jesse Walker, Uri Berliner and Sue Matters: Techtonic with Mark Hurst John Warner, author, "More Than Words": Techtonic with Mark Hurst Sue-Lin Wong and online scams: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Emergency surveillance update: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Liz Pelly, author, "Mood Machine": Techtonic with Mark Hurst Ben Snyder, author, "Spy Plane": Techtonic with Mark Hurst Marathon week 2 w/cohost Matt Warwick: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Marathon week 1 w/cohost station manager Ken Freedman: Techtonic with Mark Hurst AI and the future of war – with "Flash Wars" director Daniel Wunderer: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Nick Couldry, author, "The Space of the World": Techtonic with Mark Hurst August Lamm: you don't need a smartphone: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Supervillains in tech – with Greg Epstein, Chris Gilliard, and Jim Starlin: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Welcome to the oligarchy: on Big Tech's government takeover: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Kirk Pearson, author, "Electronic Music From Scratch": Techtonic with Mark Hurst Stone carvers Chris Pellettieri and Arissa Ramoutar: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Ken Freedman and Mark Hurst listen to AI: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Andrew Smith, author, "Devil in the Stack": Techtonic with Mark Hurst Guest host Don Fleming: Musical Tech: Naughty or Nice?: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Our year of surveillance: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Arvind Narayanan, author, "AI Snake Oil": Techtonic with Mark Hurst Nicole Kobie, author, "The Long History of the Future": Techtonic with Mark Hurst Technology we're thankful for, from listeners: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Astronomer Samantha Lawler on Musk's space junk: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Guest host Station Mgr Ken interviews David Suisman on music and the military: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Dystopia update: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Members of the Luddite Club: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Christopher Brown, author, "A Natural History of Empty Lots": Techtonic with Mark Hurst Yaroslav Trofimov, author, "Our Enemies Will Vanish": Techtonic with Mark Hurst Silkie Carlo, director, Big Brother Watch: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Tim Schwab, author, "The Bill Gates Problem": Techtonic with Mark Hurst What if no one wants AI?: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Helen Phillips, author, "HUM": Techtonic with Mark Hurst Even more devices are spying on you: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Carl Öhman, author, "The Afterlife of Data": Techtonic with Mark Hurst Guest host Alan on Rancho Mastatal : Techtonic with Mark Hurst Paula Bialski, author, "Middle Tech": Techtonic with Mark Hurst Google antitrust decision party: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Jon Leidecker, aka Wobbly, on Negativland and fair use: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Tech and the sandwich generation: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Guest host Brian D. on disinformation with Kirsten Eddy and Alex Mahadevan: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Generative AI and the "cesspool internet" – with Jason Koebler: Techtonic with Mark Hurst How it started, how it's going: revisiting the warnings of the past: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Carissa Véliz on digital ethics: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Byron Tau, author, "Means of Control": Techtonic with Mark Hurst Listener questions: Techtonic with Mark Hurst
Daniel Solove, author, "On Privacy and Technology": Techtonic with Mark Hurst
2025-07-22 · via Techtonic with Mark Hurst | WFMU

Listener comments!

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: Mark! Techttoncluded!
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joe_rosevear: Hello, Mark and ultradamno!

Since were all alone, I'll just pull up a chair and sit down.

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ultradamno: Hiya joe!
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joe_rosevear: This is so exciting! What will we learn today?
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Mark T: Hey Mark
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DjLorraine: Hiya
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Mark T: Evening Techies.
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David (in London): Evening Mark and all Technoids here gathered.
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Deano de los Muertos: Welcome back Mark!
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malĥerbo (nl): Evening
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Peter from Saranac Lake NY: Hello Mark and fellow technophobes.
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Deano de los Muertos: Oh whoops, fill-in was 2 weeks ago..
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Bas NL: Hi Mark! Hi all!
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Spikey BXL: Hello Mark, luddites
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Mark Hurst: Hi ultra, joe_r, Mark T, DjL, DiL, Deano, malĥerbo, Peter, Bas - welcome to all!
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Webhamster Henry: Ooh Law and Privacy!
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Mark Hurst:

↳ Spikey BXL @6:07

Hi, Spikey
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Mark Hurst:

↳ Webhamster Henry @6:07

Welcome, webham
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tim: Hi Mark and Daniel!
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Mark Hurst:

↳ tim @6:07

Nice to see you, tim
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Uncle Marty: TY Mark, for everything
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Mark Hurst:

↳ Uncle Marty @6:11

thx, Marty
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joe_rosevear: Well, I agree that privacy is important. But there is something to be said for dropping your guard as well. So how do we navigate this dilemma?
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Webhamster Henry:

↳ Song: "Mark's intro"

in re: the gif - Both Sandra and Bill had resumes written by AI, and the HR dept. evaluated it with AI.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:16pm
Webhamster Henry: Well, if companies aren't good enough, we have obviously have to pay them more! It works for billionaires, right?
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mrp:

↳ Song: "Interview with Daniel Solove"

truth
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tim: Mark - this week I started the book Hum and I watched Companion - both I learned about here. Both are great!
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ultradamno: I've been rewatching Evil lately, a lot more tech criticism than I recalled in that...
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Mark Hurst:

↳ tim @6:18

Nice
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Marie in Chicago: I think money sometimes passes behind the scenes to judges. Also, most judges are white males and they tend to identify with the dominant force or more powerful entity in many situations. I think the NYT identifies with the upper class
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Marie in Chicago:

↳ Marie in Chicago @6:20

at least the kind of guys who become judges...
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Webhamster Henry: On the internet, "I" was born in 1823 and am 6 microns tall, if you look up any of my official bios.
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morphe': Thanks Mark ...

as Little as I do on line, finding footprints all over ... Location, nearby shopping ideas, travel destinations, etc...

  6:27pm
.: That’s crazy
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ledzeppelinsucks: Cottonballs is a Killdozer song.
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MarciB: That last story was awful - and another axe to women's bodily autonomy.
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Mark T: Great interview so far
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MarciB:

↳ Marie in Chicago @6:21

100% !
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MarciB: Yes - why do we have to opt out rather than opting in?
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Will thee SG OCNY: Good evening Mark, Dan, and all!!!
Been enjoying the interview.
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Mark Hurst:

↳ MarciB @6:30

Exactly. And what's worse, there's often no practical way to opt out at all, even if we want to, and try to.
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Mark Hurst:

↳ Will thee SG OCNY @6:31

Thanks, WtSG!
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Webhamster Henry: Consent: WeTransfer wants you to consent on using your content to train AI.
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Webhamster Henry:

↳ Webhamster Henry @6:32

Well they say they won't now. Really. www.pcmag.com...
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Webhamster Henry: On paper consent docs, you can cross out terms.
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Mark Hurst:

↳ Webhamster Henry @6:32

Yet.
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DjLorraine: What if someone just go a smoothie app.. would deleting it the same day help?
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DjLorraine: Asking for a friend...
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Mark Hurst:

↳ DjLorraine @6:33

Depends on how much data the app is drawing down on you between the download and the deletion. Could be a lot.
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herb.nyc: Hey mark, this guy is indeed good! His take on corporations reminds me of the 2003 documentary “the corporation”. It tells us that corporations are selfish babies, almost literally! Noam Chomsky is a talking head in it.
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GC in Bmore: https://www.404media.co/a-startup-is-selling-data-hacked-from-peoples-computers-to-debt-collectors/
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chresti: Hi Mark and techtonians!
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Mark Hurst:

↳ chresti @6:37

Hi chresti, herb, GC
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..: It’s so dumb
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PaulRobeson1925: Warm greetings one & all!
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Webhamster Henry: It does help a little to not leave trails of cookies and local databases. Duck Duck Go's browser is good at that.
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chresti: Cold calculated greed
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Mark Hurst:

↳ PaulRobeson1925 @6:40

Hi PaulR
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ultradamno: theonion.com...
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morphe':

↳ herb.nyc @6:37

... Daniel Solove doing the Soupy Sales: ..just send me $1,000.00 ... "
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Webhamster Henry: Managing your own privacy is like forcing consumers to recycle, which means manufacturers have externalized the trash they make. Yeah I'm old enough to have experienced returning bottles.
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Ken From Hyde Park:

↳ Song: "Mark's intro"

This is a lot like the Sneeches story from Dr. Seuss. The huckster wound up with all their money.
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ultradamno: Robobunnies out hunting snakes www.yahoo.com...
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Mark Hurst:

↳ ultradamno @6:44

I like the question: "Can the Burmese python be eliminated from Florida Everglades?" ...because if so, the question quickly becomes, "Can the proliferating robo-bunnies ever be eliminated?"
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ultradamno: Send in robocats, Old Lady Who Swallowed a fly style
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morphe': ps.. A new data child/age protection law kicked in today in Ireland, but everyone says it is impossible to be effective..

"Ireland's new age check system kicks in and seeks to stop children accessing ‘adult’ video.."

www.thejournal.ie...

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Webhamster Henry:

↳ Mark Hurst @6:45

Let's see if cane toads will eat the pythons! www.pcmag.com...
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..: What about those ai sunglasses? That fed up
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morphe':

↳ Webhamster Henry @6:47

Have ya seeen the crazy guy killing the Cane Toads in his van??? [Australia?]
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mrp:

↳ Song: "Interview with Daniel Solove"

Vote 🗳️ 4 Dan Solove Global Public Defender ⚖️✊
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Webhamster Henry:

↳ morphe' @6:48

Nope! I bet there's a whole TikTok hashtag for that.
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Deano de los Muertos: Been cooking, really interesting guest/interview! Thanks Mark!
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morphe':

↳ Webhamster Henry @6:50

There is a Doc from some long ago famous series of crazy videos..
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mrp: 1969.. land on the moon and panopticon the populace
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Bas NL: By tuning in to WFMU you agree to be entertained and learn something.

Thanks Mark! Thanks Daniel!

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morphe':

↳ Webhamster Henry @6:50

Cane Toads: An Unnatural History is a 1988 documentary film ... filmed in Cairns and Gordonvale in Queensland.

The film was nominated for a BAFTA Film Award for Best Short Film.[1] It is distributed in the United States by Radio Pictures.

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Marie in Chicago: We need to elect a Democratic House of Representatives as a check against this right-wing administration
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Marie in Chicago: Thanks, Mark and Daniel!
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chresti:

↳ Bas NL @6:54

I agree!

Thanks Mark and Daniel!

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chris in the redwoods:

↳ morphe' @6:55

a wonderful documentary! love it. :)
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bleubombersune: Thanks Mark
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mrp: open source global P.U.R.P. walkz channel like LA helicopter afternoon breaking newz
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Ken From Hyde Park: Thanks, Mark & Daniel.
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Canuck Bob: I just finished reading 1984 today and it seemed more real than ever even though it was published in 1949. Great talk.
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mrp: Bravo, Mark and Daniel and WFMU ✌️🙏✊
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Ken From Hyde Park:

↳ Song: "Mark's comments"

"Don't blame me. I voted for Kodos."
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Mark Hurst: Thanks, everyone!
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mrp:

↳ mrp @6:58

send yer extra bux 2 $WFMU NPR will be fine with their endowment
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morphe':

↳ chris in the redwoods @6:57

Yes !!! ... trying to get the info to WebHampsterHenry