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Techtonic with Mark Hurst | WFMU

"Muskism" authors Quinn Slobodian and Ben Tarnoff: Techtonic with Mark Hurst When is it OK to use AI?: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Julie Scelfo, founder of Mothers Against Media Addiction (MAMA): Techtonic with Mark Hurst Andrew Guthrie Ferguson, author, "Your Data Will Be Used Against You": Techtonic with Mark Hurst Starlink and Kessler Syndrome, feat. astronomer Samantha Lawler: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Cindy Cohn, author, "Privacy's Defender": Techtonic with Mark Hurst Evan Selinger and Albert Fox Cahn, authors, "Move Slow and Upgrade" from Apr 6, 2026 Dystopia update: good news edition from Mar 30, 2026 Janet Vertesi, founder of the Opt Out Project from Mar 23, 2026 A visit to Repair Cafe El Barrio from Mar 16, 2026 Marathon week 2 w/cohost Jesse Jarnow from Mar 9, 2026 Marathon week 1 w/cohost station manager Ken Freedman from Mar 2, 2026 Celebrating 400 episodes of Techtonic from Feb 23, 2026 Chris Gilliard on Amazon’s admission that Ring spies on us from Feb 16, 2026 Peter Dear ("The World As We Know It") and how we interpret AI from Feb 9, 2026 AI is spreading where it doesn't belong from Feb 2, 2026 Peter Schmidt on the book "Attensity" by the Friends of Attention from Jan 26, 2026 Paul Bradley Carr, author, "The Confessions" from Jan 19, 2026 Lora Kolodny from CNBC on Grok's sexualized images from Jan 12, 2026 Ken Freedman and Mark discuss the year ahead from Jan 5, 2026 Tim Wu, author, "The Age of Extraction" from Dec 29, 2025 The Ghost of Christmas Tech Anxieties - Sara Clemens and Stu Horvath fill in, with guest Adam Allsuch Boardman from Dec 22, 2025 The first annual Creepy Awards from Dec 15, 2025 Noah McCormack from The Baffler: "We used to read things in this country" from Dec 8, 2025 Amateur radio is a superpower: Thomas Witherspoon from Dec 1, 2025 Citizens are being forced to pay for Big Tech data centers, feat. Pat Garofalo from Nov 24, 2025 How low can the tech oligarchs go? from Nov 17, 2025 Paul Mozur on the spread of data centers from Nov 10, 2025 Aram Sinnreich, co-author, "The Secret Life of Data" from Nov 3, 2025 Widening inequality and Big Tech surveillance, feat. Dan Currell from Oct 27, 2025 Filmmaker Amanda Hanna-McLeer on the Luddite renaissance from Oct 20, 2025 The protest against smartphones, with Logan Lane from Oct 13, 2025 AI and surveillance keep spreading: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Megan Greenwell, author, "Bad Company: Private Equity and the Death of the American Dream": Techtonic with Mark Hurst Glenn Adamson, author, "A Century of Tomorrows" from Sep 22, 2025 Joseph Weizenbaum warned us about AI 50 years ago (feat. Faine Greenwood): Techtonic with Mark Hurst Milestones for Big Tech... and Techtonic: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Cory Doctorow, author and journalist: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Webb Keane, author, "Animals, Robots, Gods": Techtonic with Mark Hurst If/Then/Else - Sara Clemens and Stu Horvath fill in, with guest Brendan Keogh: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Adam Becker, author, "More Everything Forever": Techtonic with Mark Hurst Three emerging dystopias: money, water, and truth: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Duncan Moench on "soylent screens" and producerism: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Ed Park, author, "An Oral History of Atlantis": Techtonic with Mark Hurst Daniel Solove, author, "On Privacy and Technology": Techtonic with Mark Hurst Burn Hollywood Burn - Will AI save the movies? Dan Morfitt fills in with guest John Ashbrook: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Compulsory surveillance and other threats: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Lori Emerson, author, "Other Networks": Techtonic with Mark Hurst Unveiling our new theme song by Kirk Pearson, and Big Tech alternatives: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Matt Warwick fills in for Techtonic with Co-Host HurstBot: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Emily M. Bender and Alex Hanna, authors, "The AI Con": Techtonic with Mark Hurst David Greenwood, author, "The Cloud Intern": Techtonic with Mark Hurst Surveillance scholar Chris Gilliard on Facebook's spy glasses: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Discussing "Careless People" by Facebook whistleblower Sarah Wynn-Williams: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Sybil Derrible, author, "The Infrastructure Book": Techtonic with Mark Hurst Dan Morfitt and Mark Hurst discuss dystopian movies: Techtonic with Mark Hurst The Defunding of Public Radio with Jesse Walker, Uri Berliner and Sue Matters: Techtonic with Mark Hurst John Warner, author, "More Than Words": Techtonic with Mark Hurst Sue-Lin Wong and online scams: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Emergency surveillance update: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Liz Pelly, author, "Mood Machine": Techtonic with Mark Hurst Ben Snyder, author, "Spy Plane": Techtonic with Mark Hurst Marathon week 2 w/cohost Matt Warwick: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Marathon week 1 w/cohost station manager Ken Freedman: Techtonic with Mark Hurst AI and the future of war – with "Flash Wars" director Daniel Wunderer: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Nick Couldry, author, "The Space of the World": Techtonic with Mark Hurst August Lamm: you don't need a smartphone: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Supervillains in tech – with Greg Epstein, Chris Gilliard, and Jim Starlin: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Welcome to the oligarchy: on Big Tech's government takeover: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Kirk Pearson, author, "Electronic Music From Scratch": Techtonic with Mark Hurst Stone carvers Chris Pellettieri and Arissa Ramoutar: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Ken Freedman and Mark Hurst listen to AI: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Andrew Smith, author, "Devil in the Stack": Techtonic with Mark Hurst Guest host Don Fleming: Musical Tech: Naughty or Nice?: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Our year of surveillance: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Arvind Narayanan, author, "AI Snake Oil": Techtonic with Mark Hurst Nicole Kobie, author, "The Long History of the Future": Techtonic with Mark Hurst Technology we're thankful for, from listeners: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Astronomer Samantha Lawler on Musk's space junk: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Guest host Station Mgr Ken interviews David Suisman on music and the military: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Dystopia update: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Members of the Luddite Club: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Christopher Brown, author, "A Natural History of Empty Lots": Techtonic with Mark Hurst Yaroslav Trofimov, author, "Our Enemies Will Vanish": Techtonic with Mark Hurst Tim Schwab, author, "The Bill Gates Problem": Techtonic with Mark Hurst What if no one wants AI?: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Helen Phillips, author, "HUM": Techtonic with Mark Hurst Even more devices are spying on you: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Carl Öhman, author, "The Afterlife of Data": Techtonic with Mark Hurst Guest host Alan on Rancho Mastatal : Techtonic with Mark Hurst Paula Bialski, author, "Middle Tech": Techtonic with Mark Hurst Google antitrust decision party: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Jon Leidecker, aka Wobbly, on Negativland and fair use: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Tech and the sandwich generation: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Guest host Brian D. on disinformation with Kirsten Eddy and Alex Mahadevan: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Generative AI and the "cesspool internet" – with Jason Koebler: Techtonic with Mark Hurst How it started, how it's going: revisiting the warnings of the past: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Carissa Véliz on digital ethics: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Byron Tau, author, "Means of Control": Techtonic with Mark Hurst Listener questions: Techtonic with Mark Hurst
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2024-10-08 · via Techtonic with Mark Hurst | WFMU

Listener comments!

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: Mark! Techtoceanians!
  6:00pm
David (in London): Evening Mark and all Technoids.
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chresti: Hi Mark and techtonicians!
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cosmic matrix: hello all
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Handy Haversack: Mark, all.
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DjLorraine: Im teched in, Hi Mark and all
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Ken From Hyde Park: AI artwork? NFTs? Why not both, in postage stamp form. pivot-to-ai.com...
  6:07pm
Glistener MW: “let’s call her listener Lisa S… hmm, no no, that’s much too obvious. Let’s call her listener L Simpson.”
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Peter from Saranac Lake NY: Hello Mark and techies.
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Deano de los Muertos: Hi Mark and folx
  6:09pm
traven: Recently John Kerry spoke out against free speech - as he described it as "misinformation".
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joe_rosevear: Howdy, all!
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Mark Hurst: Hi ultra, DiL, chresti, cosmic, Handy, DjL, KfHP, MW, Peter, Deano, traven, and joe_r - welcome!
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Webhamster Henry: Today's topic is : Yipe!
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spodiodi: greetings, Mark and all
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Mark Hurst: Hi spodiodi!
  6:22pm
Sam: Good evening. I’m convinced this is the real reason they legalized pot, since that’s one of the laws that millions of ordinary people routinely broke. Pot users would have been up in arms over surveillance, but now you don’t really have to worry about it so they can go back to the comfortable “I’ve got nothing to hide” category.
  6:24pm
Billybob:

↳ traven @6:09

Just the other day, Hillary called for increased limits on free speech, otherwise "we lose total control".
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cosmic matrix:

↳ Sam @6:22

that does make a lot of sense. plus the workload of policing of all that weed action
  6:27pm
Sam: People say “We’re democracies so we can have the infrastructure of dictatorships and be fine.” That was such an excellent point!
  6:29pm
Billybob:

↳ Ken From Hyde Park @6:05

I kinda like some of the AI artwork I've neen seeing on the 'net. On Youtube yesterday, I saw an ad featuring an illustration of a '50s era housewife wearing a dress, preparing food in the kitchen. Everything looked really good, except for her legs which were backwards.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:33pm
PaulRobeson1924: Privacy ain’t what it used to be… what’s goin’ on
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PaulRobeson1924: lawenforcementactionpartnership.org...
  6:34pm
traven:

↳ Billybob @6:24

I would be inclined to say that the Constitution of the United States makes it perfectly clear that there are no infringements on the 1st amendment.
  6:39pm
Billybob:

↳ traven @6:34

Some people would like there to be.
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PaulRobeson1924: Drugs are the largest commodity in the world. Where is all that $ going…

in the United States we have the right to determine our own behavior with the corresponding obligation to take responsibility for our actions… the law has the ability to make a crime out of things that are not crimes- that is the issue. “The juridical discourse brings to life that which it pronounces”

  6:41pm
Sam: Time to go back to cash under the mattress just like during the Depression.
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spodiodi: arb's last The Arbitrarium playlist had a sweet picture on it (relative to this show): wfmu.org... love it. love that somebody put that there
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Deano de los Muertos:

↳ spodiodi @6:41

✝️🔊
  6:44pm
Sam: And Elon’s buddy will surely never use any of this cornucopia of information inappropriately against anyone if he wins, given his deep respect for democracy.
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PaulRobeson1924: Time is value neutral…
  6:46pm
traven:

↳ Billybob @6:39

If people like John Kerry or Hillary Clinton (barf) ever get in the driver's seat, the American people are in very deep do- do.
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cosmic matrix: this was a great interview. hooray for silkie and her organization!
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ultradamno: I believe, in one event, Musk set back the cause of bringing back the pogo dance fifty years.
  6:47pm
Sam: Fantastic interview Mark, thanks!
  6:48pm
Sam: Watch out Big Brother, Big Brother Watch is Watching You!
  6:49pm
Henry Hudson's Distant Relative: Everything tracked for me until Silkie Carlo promoted Elon Musk's social media platform. That's becoming a deal-breaker for me.
  6:50pm
Fredericks: Mark, you can just call it the Corptocracy.
  6:50pm
Marie in Chicago: Hey Mark, thanks. APU, great topic. I never knew that that happened to the truckers. That's awful. I'll be signing up for the Big Brow Watch email
  6:50pm
Billybob: I wonder what the thinking is of protests designed to prevent others from speaking. My politics began to shift in the 90s when I observed a flyer on a telephone pole in San Francisco, calling for people to come to Berkeley to protest a neo-Nazi from speaking. Now I hate the whole Nazi thing as much as the next guy, but still I thought "this is the home of the free speech movement?".
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Yooper_Listener_1970N: ACLU thinking, Billybob, has worked *so well* thus far !
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PaulRobeson1924: Baby? I am America
  6:52pm
Billybob: Oh, the protest in my previous comment was designed to prevent the neo Nazi from speaking.
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chris in the redwoods:

↳ Billybob @6:52

yep, i remember that and had the same thoughts, it seems.
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chris in the redwoods: great interview, Mark. thank you!
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chresti: Thanks Mark!
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Handy Haversack: Thanks, Mark.
  6:55pm
traven:

↳ Billybob @6:50

I agree with you 100%.
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Deano de los Muertos: Thank you Mark
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spodiodi: thank, Mark! keep doing good work
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spodiodi: s*
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Deano de los Muertos: Well said, Mark
  6:57pm
secret commenter: A lot of countries try to reasonably mitigate misinformation about matters of public health
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Yooper_Listener_1970N: Wait, I like healthy fish too.
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cosmic matrix: mark, you are a champ. thank u.
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Yooper_Listener_1970N: Mkay
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Noir Lover: Antitrust is sort of bipartisan as well.
  6:57pm
Marie in Chicago: john kerry and hillary clinton are actuqlly robots
  6:58pm
Sam:

↳ Marie in Chicago @6:57

Is Monica L a robot too?
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Will thee SG OCNY: Thank you Mark Hurst!!!
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Jeff Moore: I looked for Big Brother Watch on my favorite non-Billionaire-mediated social media agglomeration, Mastodon...

...and all I could find was a reflector bot mirroring BBW's posts from Xitter. It'd be nice if they had a Mastodon presence.

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Mark Hurst: Thanks, everyone!
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chris in the redwoods: could easily be my puppers in that cloud. look at that cutie.