♥
6:06pm
tom tom the pipers son:
in her substack ….lucy sante describes the taylorization of the book trade and the specialization of writers to fit it…I feel language a.i. is just another layer to this taylorization
6:06pm
Tom from Stirling:
↳
Deano de los Muertos @6:05
Good for kindergartens
🤖♥
6:06pm
Webhamster Henry:
Hi Friends! Interview time! I exploit the fact that GPT-2 can't write!
6:09pm
Saltonstall:
The only thing I’ve used AI for is to create images of imaginary pro wrestlers. The 13-fingered mat mavens created by AI were hilariously bad, but still amazing. Now when I use open AI todo the same, the wrestlers are all generic cartoony grapplers.
I used it once to try and come up with a Barbenheimer style visual mash-up for the weekend Furiosa and Garfield were both premiering mastodon.social...
The programming was not really using the space, it was just using two of the projectors, really.
♥
6:14pm
cosmic matrix:
Hello fellers. I use ChatGpt, through duckduckgo! It’s amazing. It helps me code, figure out electronic stuff, and i have used it to do some writing, for my own creative purposes! I feel guilty for the environmental effect but the Duckduckgo is self-limited, so hey.
♥
6:15pm
People Like Us:
I just know that no one else is going to listen to me for this long talking about what I'm talking about and I'm happy for the dog to talk back so long as it keeps me focussed on the dog
Re: The Book Stacks = Cast-iron Book Alcoves Cincinnati Library ="demolished 1955.." [not fact checked] The old Boy's High on Marcy Ave Bklyn has a 2 storey version ... such as lovely sight, but devoid of books...
♥
6:19pm
Peter from Saranac Lake NY:
I'm a sometime journalist. The only A1, uh, AI that I use is an app called Otter. It transcribes recorded interviews. Adjacent to, but not what's being discussed.
It saves a lot of drudgery, but definitely makes error.
Do share...there's probably something to be done with Ex-Machina and Companion.
6:20pm
estmcmxci.eth:
been tuning into this show for the past two years—still the most consistently ignoramus and misinformative take on tech out there. congrats.
6:33pm
Tom of Tom and Julia:
From Wikipedia:
The creator of Tang, William A. Mitchell, also invented Pop Rocks, Cool Whip, a form of instant-set Jell-O, and other convenience foods.
6:33pm
MarciB:
I can't imagine not reading for pleasure. My nickname as a kid was "bookworm". And still is ;)
🤖♥
6:33pm
ultradamno:
I've always felt she interacted with a dog...named Sam...the bizarre part of the story is she listened to him cdn.ebaumsworld.com...
I remember in the "Blues Brothers," John Candy orders an orange whip. Maybe that was made with cool whip?
♥
6:41pm
Henry Hudson's Distant Relative:
Maybe you've discussed: one problem with AI-generated art is the unsuitability of machine algorithms to deal with nonbinary quantities, which are the basis of ambiguity, nuance, and inner conflict - the building blocks of art and humanity.
6:41pm
wendy del formaggio:
What a wonderful interview this is. Thank you, Mark and John! ❤️📚
Just finished "Get the Picture" by Bianca Bosker (about the art world). Pretty good and I learned a lot!
♥
6:43pm
Adi From Sheffield:
Interesting the premise of taking time to read for John is kind of like my experiencing of drawing each day.
6:43pm
Mr. Reynard:
I think about this conversation in relation to the work of WFMU alumnus Kenneth Goldsmith and his work in experimental poetry, where the editing of large bodies of text becomes a work of literature in and of itself. I miss the fact that earlier models of ChatGPT get things wrong in weird and interesting ways. Maybe work needs to be done in different ways of training AI, one which statistically values nonobvious answers, however one might do that. I’ve told friends that I’m more interested in artificial stupidity than artificial intelligence for that reason.
As Nam June Paik might say,
Make Technology Ridiculous Again
🤖♥
6:44pm
Handy Haversack:
Been listening as we change up gears here in Seattle, Mark. Good stuff!
I love non fiction but am always looking for good historical fiction.
6:44pm
Marie in Chicago:
I am loving this show. I used to be a major reader and was a professional writer for a while. Now I'm a medical editor and it is kind of killing my reading--it's sad
I run GPT-2 right here on my laptop. It's not very disciplined!
6:45pm
Mr. Reynard:
I should say earlier versions of GPT rather than ChatGPT
6:45pm
Tom of Tom and Julia:
Again Wikipedia: “An orange whip is a sweet cocktail made with rum, vodka, cream and orange juice. It is typically blended to a froth like a milkshake, and poured over ice in a Collins glass.”
Sounds like an alcoholic Creamsicle
I guess you have to order an orange whip *with* cool whip
♥
6:47pm
Henry Hudson's Distant Relative:
I know Mark was asking for John's recommendation, but here's one from an eavesdropper: 'Jerusalem' by Alan Moore.
6:55pm
Mary Jean:
Love listening whenever I can. I feature books in my art practice, paired with social commentary. Have a look when you have time. mjcanziani.com Thanks
We made it a point to make library visits a weekly or twice weekly event that they look forward to.
On average between the two they take out between 15 and 25 books at a time.
When I found out I was having kids later in life I committed to one really important thing to me: I wanted them to always know a father who had a book in his hands. So when all around at the playground almost all the other parents are staring at their phones there’s their old dad with his trusty old book.
So far so good!
🤖♥
6:56pm
Deano de los Muertos:
I’m hearing even movies are too long for some younger folks
My kids were also "check out a shelf of books" kids. They also really liked Sherlock Holmes and its kind of antique British verbiage was no impediment to their reading.
🤖♥
6:57pm
ultradamno:
Well, at least it will soon be unlikely there will be anyplace that allows you to see a menu without scanning a QR code
6:57pm
kleoville:
This is all sadly true. I teach at a high school for academic high achievers and the use of AI generated text is upsetting. It is enticing because they are worried about grades and don't know how to approach a challenging writing assignment, even if it opinion based! Kids don't watch too many movies these days either.
6:58pm
hendrix wolfbat:
omg no more tech bros deciding anything for any of us!
6:58pm
wendy del formaggio:
My book recommendation: Haruki Murikami’s new book, “The City and its Uncertain Walls.” I’m reading it now. So good!
6:59pm
Sam:
When I was in college not all that long ago we had to do so much reading and I could never keep up. It’s hard to believe how much things have changed.
7:00pm
Fredericks:
↳
Song:
"More Than Words" by "Marissa Nadler & Stephen Bro...
Who wrote this song?
7:01pm
Zinn The Mood:
Currently I’m reading Mark Fisher’s “Capitalist Realism,” and Steve Hendricks “The Oldest Cure In The World.”
Listener comments!
: Mark! Techtonigraphers!
David (in London): Evening Mark and all assembled Technoids
Bas NL: Hello Mark! Hello all!
Ken From Hyde Park: If one claims AI can't write, then by extension, it can't write code either, right?
wendy del formaggio: Hi Mark! Tuning in on my surveillance device. For better or worse…
Mark T: Good evening and what’s the hot topic tonight
Spikey BXL: Hi Mark, gintonics
People Like Us: yes, as a sampling tool
Will thee SG OCNY: Good evening Mark Hurst and all!!!
Bas NL: Never touched it.
rocky coast: Yes :/ I use it to edit my work emails
Tom from Stirling: AI? you mean A1?
Deano de los Muertos: Hi Mark and all.
Deano de los Muertos: What are your thoughts on A1?
People Like Us: it's down to how much you want to search yourself
Troy:
↳ People Like Us @6:04
Like in sound sampling?Marie in Chicago: I love how "they" came up with "hallucinating" for describing the creating and inserting of errors
Deano de los Muertos:
↳ Tom from Stirling @6:04
🤭Anon Freq Commenter: Only for cover letters, since cover letters are stupid mindless bullshit. So generative AI is a good fit for that.
chris in the redwoods: have not used chat gpt. have used copilot for work stuff.
Adi From Sheffield: I've used it to format images specifically but not for content creation.
People Like Us:
↳ Troy @6:05
text arrangement, as samples, so yes, like sound but as textultradamno: Better than Heinz 57
tom tom the pipers son: in her substack ….lucy sante describes the taylorization of the book trade and the specialization of writers to fit it…I feel language a.i. is just another layer to this taylorization
Tom from Stirling:
↳ Deano de los Muertos @6:05
Good for kindergartensWebhamster Henry: Hi Friends! Interview time! I exploit the fact that GPT-2 can't write!
Troy:
↳ People Like Us @6:06
interesting.PaulRobeson1925: Ok
Spikey BXL: Don't play the Extreme song with the same title. You're better than that Mark.
morphe':
↳ Tom from Stirling @6:04
AI or A1 was chatted earlier ..A1 = UK "Great Northern Highway"
Webhamster Henry:
↳ Ken From Hyde Park @6:02
"It's not writing, it's typing" trust me, much of "coding" is just "typing".Ciggy: Hi Mark
Gift article for our listeners:
Trump like this Deportation App.
This Company’s Surveillance Tech Makes Immigrants ‘Easy Pickings’ for Trump www.nytimes.com...
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herb.nyc: Hola. I’ll bet AI will say author John Warner is married to Elizabeth Taylor.
People Like Us: I like to think of LLMs being like the Library of Babel
ultradamno: That the woman who is in charge of education made that gaffe...
People Like Us: I like how the Internet Archive is IA
Webhamster Henry:
↳ morphe' @6:07
"A1" is the Worcestershire sauce of thought.Saltonstall: The only thing I’ve used AI for is to create images of imaginary pro wrestlers. The 13-fingered mat mavens created by AI were hilariously bad, but still amazing. Now when I use open AI todo the same, the wrestlers are all generic cartoony grapplers.
Webhamster Henry:
↳ People Like Us @6:09
LLMs certainly have been trained on the IA .. and audio models have definitely been trained on the Free Music Archive.People Like Us:
↳ Webhamster Henry @6:09
quote of the eveningPeter from Saranac Lake NY: Hello Mark and techies.
Webhamster Henry:
↳ People Like Us @6:09
Hi Vicki! I was at EMPAC's 360 degree theatre last week.People Like Us:
↳ Webhamster Henry @6:10
what was that like?Mark Hurst: Hi everyone, thanks for joining!
People Like Us:
↳ Webhamster Henry @6:10
I would love to do something there but don't know how to get a human to answer mePeople Like Us:
↳ Mark Hurst @6:11
hi Mark :)Mark Hurst:
↳ People Like Us @6:12
Hi Vicki! Appreciate you joining us.Webhamster Henry:
↳ People Like Us @6:11
It was not really using the 360°edness, but the space is small-ish, but probably works.People Like Us: I totally think of talkiing to LLMs like talking to your dog
Mark Hurst:
↳ People Like Us @6:10
I agreePeople Like Us: and i don't have a dog
Bas NL: Define 'thought'.
ultradamno:
↳ Saltonstall @6:09
I used it once to try and come up with a Barbenheimer style visual mash-up for the weekend Furiosa and Garfield were both premiering mastodon.social...People Like Us:
↳ Webhamster Henry @6:12
most people just can't get beyond the noveltyWebhamster Henry:
↳ People Like Us @6:13
That's a whole thing in the interspecies communication world.ultradamno: I regret nothing
People Like Us:
↳ ultradamno @6:13
I have made thatWebhamster Henry:
↳ People Like Us @6:13
The programming was not really using the space, it was just using two of the projectors, really.cosmic matrix: Hello fellers. I use ChatGpt, through duckduckgo! It’s amazing. It helps me code, figure out electronic stuff, and i have used it to do some writing, for my own creative purposes! I feel guilty for the environmental effect but the Duckduckgo is self-limited, so hey.
People Like Us: I just know that no one else is going to listen to me for this long talking about what I'm talking about and I'm happy for the dog to talk back so long as it keeps me focussed on the dog
People Like Us:
↳ Webhamster Henry @6:14
they just think "how many projectors" then just repeat it over that many projectors. how can i get to them?Webhamster Henry:
↳ People Like Us @6:16
I'll send you an email!People Like Us:
↳ Webhamster Henry @6:16
thank youmorphe':
↳ Song: "Interview with John Warner"
Re: The Book Stacks = Cast-iron Book Alcoves Cincinnati Library ="demolished 1955.." [not fact checked] The old Boy's High on Marcy Ave Bklyn has a 2 storey version ... such as lovely sight, but devoid of books...Peter from Saranac Lake NY: I'm a sometime journalist. The only A1, uh, AI that I use is an app called Otter. It transcribes recorded interviews. Adjacent to, but not what's being discussed.
It saves a lot of drudgery, but definitely makes error.
ultradamno:
↳ People Like Us @6:14
Do share...there's probably something to be done with Ex-Machina and Companion.estmcmxci.eth: been tuning into this show for the past two years—still the most consistently ignoramus and misinformative take on tech out there. congrats.
morphe':
↳ ultradamno @6:19
Yes ... let us call in the deus ex-machina[plural] to deal with the current white house and the swarms of bad actors ...cosmic matrix: ia801406.us.archive.org...
ultradamno: Anomalisa is a good one, though Kaufman is leaning into the uncanny valley...
Webhamster Henry:
↳ ultradamno @6:24
Anomalisa was actual stop motion though! I loved the set dressing in that film!PaulRobeson1925: John Warner reminds me of Neil Postman
tim: Hi Mark and friends!
ultradamno: Yeah, not motion capture, true.
?:
↳ estmcmxci.eth @6:20
Thanks for checking in ... the neologism related to you is Ignoranus = a person who is both ignorant and an asshole..https://app.ens.domains/estmcmxci.eth
Webhamster Henry: BTW, I used Elevenlabs to help me make this piece to remind people what 1 million is: one thousand thousands.
thejazzkissingers.bandcamp.com...
PaulRobeson1925: @Mark: the internet is a total flop
People Like Us: interacting with the dog is also thinking, we just have to know it's a dog
Deano de los Muertos:
↳ estmcmxci.eth @6:20
Glad you’re enjoying itTom of Tom and Julia: From Wikipedia:
The creator of Tang, William A. Mitchell, also invented Pop Rocks, Cool Whip, a form of instant-set Jell-O, and other convenience foods.
MarciB: I can't imagine not reading for pleasure. My nickname as a kid was "bookworm". And still is ;)
ultradamno: I've always felt she interacted with a dog...named Sam...the bizarre part of the story is she listened to him cdn.ebaumsworld.com...
Tom from Stirling:
↳ MarciB @6:33
What are you reading now?ultradamno: Brain rot is real
ultradamno:
↳ Tom of Tom and Julia @6:33
A real specialist in the field of ingestible substancesMark Hurst:
↳ Tom of Tom and Julia @6:33
I remember in the "Blues Brothers," John Candy orders an orange whip. Maybe that was made with cool whip?Henry Hudson's Distant Relative: Maybe you've discussed: one problem with AI-generated art is the unsuitability of machine algorithms to deal with nonbinary quantities, which are the basis of ambiguity, nuance, and inner conflict - the building blocks of art and humanity.
wendy del formaggio: What a wonderful interview this is. Thank you, Mark and John! ❤️📚
Mark Hurst:
↳ wendy del formaggio @6:41
Thanks, Wendy! Appreciate you being with us :)Webhamster Henry: Hey Owl Sun and the Soul 'n' Soul Bunny are algorithmic!
ultradamno:
↳ Mark Hurst @6:41
www.cocktailwave.com...MarciB:
↳ Tom from Stirling @6:36
Just finished "Get the Picture" by Bianca Bosker (about the art world). Pretty good and I learned a lot!Adi From Sheffield: Interesting the premise of taking time to read for John is kind of like my experiencing of drawing each day.
Mr. Reynard: I think about this conversation in relation to the work of WFMU alumnus Kenneth Goldsmith and his work in experimental poetry, where the editing of large bodies of text becomes a work of literature in and of itself. I miss the fact that earlier models of ChatGPT get things wrong in weird and interesting ways. Maybe work needs to be done in different ways of training AI, one which statistically values nonobvious answers, however one might do that. I’ve told friends that I’m more interested in artificial stupidity than artificial intelligence for that reason.
As Nam June Paik might say,
Make Technology Ridiculous Again
Handy Haversack: Been listening as we change up gears here in Seattle, Mark. Good stuff!
Mark Hurst:
↳ Handy Haversack @6:44
Hi Handy! Greetings to the pacnw.MarciB:
↳ Tom from Stirling @6:36
I love non fiction but am always looking for good historical fiction.Marie in Chicago: I am loving this show. I used to be a major reader and was a professional writer for a while. Now I'm a medical editor and it is kind of killing my reading--it's sad
Webhamster Henry: Just a reminder: there's a big Techtonic bibliography over on techtonic.fm lombardoc4.github.io...
MarciB: love the book recs!
Ed P: FIFTH BUSINESS rules
Tom from Stirling: All the Lonesome Dove books are great with Gus and Woodrow
Webhamster Henry:
↳ Mr. Reynard @6:43
I run GPT-2 right here on my laptop. It's not very disciplined!Mr. Reynard: I should say earlier versions of GPT rather than ChatGPT
Tom of Tom and Julia: Again Wikipedia: “An orange whip is a sweet cocktail made with rum, vodka, cream and orange juice. It is typically blended to a froth like a milkshake, and poured over ice in a Collins glass.”
Sounds like an alcoholic Creamsicle
Mark Hurst:
↳ MarciB @6:44
For historical fiction, I love Patrick O'Brian's Master and Commander series.ultradamno:
↳ Tom of Tom and Julia @6:45
See my post at 6:43 for recipeTom from Stirling:
↳ MarciB @6:44
Check Wolf Hall then by Hilary MantelMark Hurst:
↳ Tom of Tom and Julia @6:45
I guess you have to order an orange whip *with* cool whipHenry Hudson's Distant Relative: I know Mark was asking for John's recommendation, but here's one from an eavesdropper: 'Jerusalem' by Alan Moore.
Mark Hurst:
↳ Tom from Stirling @6:46
Don't miss the Fifth Queen series from Ford Madox Ford. Amazingultradamno: Picture of an orange whip i.pinimg.com...
Hopey Sockmonkey: I believe the Orange Whip referenced in Blues Bros is similar to Orange Julius. Or Orange Bang.
chris in the redwoods:
↳ ultradamno @6:48
hahahahaha!Handy Haversack:
↳ Mark Hurst @6:45
I read Shogun recently and honestly enjoyed it more than I expected to.Zinn The Mood: If our children are up before us they sit on the couch together, open their books and read.
Tom from Stirling:
↳ Mark Hurst @6:47
ty, Markultradamno: Given the context, it's the cocktail 78.media.tumblr.com...
MarciB:
↳ Mark Hurst @6:45
Oh - that's been recommended to me many times. Thanks Mark!Handy Haversack:
↳ Tom of Tom and Julia @6:45
Tom, we were looking for Julia in the sched. of that SI nonna restaurant and didn't see her listed! Did we miss it?Tom from Stirling:
↳ Handy Haversack @6:49
also a great bookMarciB:
↳ Zinn The Mood @6:49
That's a testament to you as parents too. Well done!Webhamster Henry: Hey, bad writing is also writing - you don't need an AI to get bad, thoughtless writing!
ultradamno:
↳ ultradamno @6:49
...or not, it has it's own logo external-content.duckduckgo.com...morphe': Writing and thought leading deeper thoughts and sometimes knowledge === heuristic
Handy Haversack:
↳ Tom from Stirling @6:50
Well, I don't know a 1200-page book that couldn't use an editor, but it was better than I thought it would be.Handy Haversack: Thanks, Mark!
Mary Jean: Love listening whenever I can. I feature books in my art practice, paired with social commentary. Have a look when you have time. mjcanziani.com Thanks
Zinn The Mood:
↳ MarciB @6:50
We made it a point to make library visits a weekly or twice weekly event that they look forward to.On average between the two they take out between 15 and 25 books at a time.
When I found out I was having kids later in life I committed to one really important thing to me: I wanted them to always know a father who had a book in his hands. So when all around at the playground almost all the other parents are staring at their phones there’s their old dad with his trusty old book.
So far so good!
Deano de los Muertos: I’m hearing even movies are too long for some younger folks
Webhamster Henry:
↳ Zinn The Mood @6:55
My kids were also "check out a shelf of books" kids. They also really liked Sherlock Holmes and its kind of antique British verbiage was no impediment to their reading.Deano de los Muertos: Thanks Mark!
ultradamno: Well, at least it will soon be unlikely there will be anyplace that allows you to see a menu without scanning a QR code
kleoville: This is all sadly true. I teach at a high school for academic high achievers and the use of AI generated text is upsetting. It is enticing because they are worried about grades and don't know how to approach a challenging writing assignment, even if it opinion based! Kids don't watch too many movies these days either.
hendrix wolfbat: omg no more tech bros deciding anything for any of us!
wendy del formaggio: My book recommendation: Haruki Murikami’s new book, “The City and its Uncertain Walls.” I’m reading it now. So good!
chris in the redwoods: thanks, Mark. thanks Prof. Warner.
Adi From Sheffield: I've just enjoyed The Great When by Alan Moore.
Adi From Sheffield: Thanks Mark, Night all.
Sam: When I was in college not all that long ago we had to do so much reading and I could never keep up. It’s hard to believe how much things have changed.
Fredericks:
↳ Song: "More Than Words" by "Marissa Nadler & Stephen Bro...
Who wrote this song?Zinn The Mood: Currently I’m reading Mark Fisher’s “Capitalist Realism,” and Steve Hendricks “The Oldest Cure In The World.”
Bas NL: Thanks Mark! Thanks John