On the latest episode of Wake Up Excited!, I got to talk with my friend, fellow traveler, and recent collaborator, Ben Callahan. Ben and I met at BDConf many many moons ago, and since then we've shared many adventures together, including recently collaborating on an actual conversation. I have so much admiration for Ben and the community-oriented way he operates, so I'm incredibly pleased we got to spend a whole conversation digging deep into it.

We cover so much ground in our conversation: building healthy communities, the critical importance of values, humanizing work, how hard things force you to reevaluate things, the sharing culture of the web, lessons from music, the cosmos, and a whole lot more.

If you enjoy conversations like this, I'd love it if you subscribed to Wake Up Excited! on YouTube or wherever you listen to podcasts.

Links & Resources

• Get Together book

• Design Downtime podcast

Music

• Chanticleer

• Jacob Collier

• Bobby McFerrin

• Radiohead

Ben's endeavors

• Ben's website

• The Question - Ben's weekly open community design systems community

• Redwoods - Ben's new paid community for design systems practitioners

• Sparkbox - Ben's agency