Listener comments!

🤖 ♥ 4:25pm
: This looks like a great show! But I am going to miss it in order to phone bank for the Tenants Bloc and ask people to rank the rent-freeze candidates tomorrow and Don't Rank Evil Andrew for Mayor.

With you in spirit, Mark and Techyons!

DREAM! Don't Rank Evil Andrew for Mayor!

🤖 ♥ 5:55pm
ultradamno: Mark! Techtworkers! 6:00pm
joe_rosevear: Hello, Mark and all! ♥ 6:01pm
Peter from Saranac Lake NY: Mark and fans of tech, good evening and best wishes to you all. ♥ 6:01pm
cosmic matrix: hi everybody! 🤖 ♥ 6:02pm
Webhamster Henry: New theme is not too bad, and it's so long you can cut in any old time. ♥ 6:02pm
PaulRobeson1925: Hi Hi Hi   6:02pm
David (in London): Evening Mark and all Technoids here gathered. 6:02pm
joe_rosevear: Well, there's Usenet--what else? 🤖 ♥ 6:03pm
Deano de los Muertos: wazzap Mark 🤖 ♥ 6:03pm
cosmic matrix:

↳ Webhamster Henry @6:02

i’m used to it now. yay! 🤖 ♥ 6:03pm
Webhamster Henry: John Oliver did his take on AI Slop on Last Week Tonight. Watch on Duck Viewer: www.youtube.com... 6:04pm
joe_rosevear: Yes, cool theme song! 🤖 ♥ 6:04pm
Bas NL: Hello Mark & all! 🤖 ♥ 6:05pm
chresti: Hi Mark and techtonians! 🤖 ♥ 6:05pm
Listener Bryan (the Professor): I've been looking forward to hearing Lori's interview all day! ♥ 6:05pm
cosmic matrix:

↳ Bas NL @6:04

omg bas—i’ve been watching so much “mend it mark”! :) ♥ 6:06pm
PaulRobeson1925: Farming? ♥ 6:06pm
marili: Hi Mark! I love the new theme song♡. 🤖 ♥ 6:06pm
Webhamster Henry: Smoke signal networks.... 6:06pm
joe_rosevear: Years ago there were dialup bulletin boards. 🤖 ♥ 6:06pm
newton: drums ♥ 6:06pm
cosmic matrix: mycelium networks 🤖 ♥ 6:07pm
Webhamster Henry: Semaphore and light towers. 🤖 ♥ 6:07pm
Ken From Hyde Park: Seems like every week, there's a new TV network that airs old TV shows. 🤖 ♥ 6:07pm
newton: good vibrations ♥ 6:07pm
cosmic matrix: the teleharmonium 🤖 ♥ 6:07pm
Bas NL:

↳ cosmic matrix @6:05

He's very knowledgeable and fun to watch, isn't he? 🤖 ♥ 6:08pm
ultradamno: Cave paintings may well have had a comments section 🤖 ♥ 6:08pm
tim: Hey Mark, Lori and crew! ♥ 6:09pm
cosmic matrix:

↳ Bas NL @6:07

so much of both! he’s so good at nearly everything! what troubleshooting expertise! thanks for turning me on to him! ♥ 6:09pm
Mark Hurst: Hi Handy, ultra, joe_r, Peter, cosmic, webham, PaulR, DiL, Deano (wazzup), Bas, chresti, Prof Bryan, marili, newton, KfHP, newton, and tim - welcome! 🤖 ♥ 6:09pm
Webhamster Henry: Quantum entanglement can communicate without transmitting... ♥ 6:09pm
Mark Hurst:

↳ marili @6:06

thanks, marili, me too ♥ 6:10pm
Mark Hurst:

↳ Webhamster Henry @6:06

that's the 2nd entry in the book ♥ 6:10pm
Mark Hurst:

↳ newton @6:06

you got it! drums 🤖 ♥ 6:10pm
Webhamster Henry: Vacuum tube messaging... ♥ 6:10pm
Mark Hurst:

↳ ultradamno @6:08

"be sure to like and subscribe to my cave" ♥ 6:11pm
Mark Hurst:

↳ Webhamster Henry @6:09

just wait 'til the end of the interview... 🤖 ♥ 6:12pm
Webhamster Henry: We had an OLPC computer! killed off by cheap Asus computers and later mobile tech. 🤖 ♥ 6:13pm
Listener Bryan (the Professor): Longtime admirer of Lori's approach to media archaeology! loriemerson.net... 🤖 ♥ 6:13pm
Bas NL:

↳ cosmic matrix @6:09

I've done repairs on some 600 synthesizers.. it's always those small details and creative fixes. Like piecing a puzzle.   6:13pm
Laura Panic: That lab sounds amazing 🤖 ♥ 6:14pm
Webhamster Henry:

↳ Bas NL @6:13

Wish you could fix my Prophet 600! But there's this annoying ocean between us.   6:14pm
HurstBot: I’ll always be here too. ♥ 6:16pm
cosmic matrix:

↳ Bas NL @6:13

it’s art and science combined 6:17pm
joe_rosevear: OK, I asked Duck at duck.ai and he helped me out. Here's a list of networks that are distinct from the internet:

Usenet, Fidonet, IRC, P2P, Mastodon, Diaspora, GNUnet, RetroShare, and Matrix.

♥ 6:18pm
Stevel: This is fascinating. Pretty sure they just sold a book. ♥ 6:18pm
PaulRobeson1925: Radio! Yea! 🤖 ♥ 6:18pm
Bas NL:

↳ Webhamster Henry @6:14

Ahh.. Just checked, i have fixed 6 Prophet 600's.. Shipping is always a nightmare though.. ;( ♥ 6:19pm
cosmic matrix: whoa this is a cool subject   6:19pm
Laura Panic: My town in Australia had a pirate radio station for the last few years, and open secret guarded by the community that loved it. It was raided 3minths ago and shit diwn. The officers took his broadcasting gear and didnt charge or fine him if he just handed it over. We are heartbroken. 🤖 ♥ 6:20pm
DjLorraine: There is an amateur radio festival for 2 days this Sat. 6:22pm
joe_rosevear: Well, there's internet radio! That's how I'm listening now in California. ♥ 6:22pm
cosmic matrix: mind blown. i mean, yes. wow. 🤖 ♥ 6:22pm
Bas NL: Love that HAM spirit!   ♥ 6:22pm
WantageInsomniac: I got my Technician in 2021 and upgraded to Extra a few months later. This weekend is ARRL Field Day, clubs set up and encourage the general public to come down and participate. If anyone is interested, we will be operating in Sussex county. 🤖 ♥ 6:22pm
Webhamster Henry: SM Ken will never give up on terrestrial radio!   ♥ 6:23pm
WantageInsomniac: I've had contacts to Asia and New Zealand on 5 watts CW. 6:23pm
joe_rosevear: Wow, so all you have to do is wait for a meteor, and then bob's your uncle! ♥ 6:24pm
Folsom:

↳ WantageInsomniac @6:23

I worked with a guy that did the dx contest every year, sat around for a day getting contacts   ♥ 6:24pm
WantageInsomniac: It's a very diverse hobby, meteor scatter is crazy, I've heard signals, but never done it sucessfully. ♥ 6:25pm
Mark T: Cool
Interview 6:25pm
joe_rosevear: Wow, needles in space. More space trash! ♥ 6:25pm
cosmic matrix: whoah   6:25pm
Fiddlesticks: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Field_Day_(amateur_radio)?wprov=sfti1
If you’re ham curious there’s no better time than this weekend to learn about it and meet local operators. 🤖 ♥ 6:25pm
ultradamno: Spacetime Donut ♥ 6:25pm
PaulRobeson1925: Radio magic 🤖 ♥ 6:25pm
newton: copper needles like archimedes mirror ♥ 6:26pm
cosmic matrix: made out of copper vermicelli 🤖 ♥ 6:26pm
Bas NL: Can one bounce off of Elon Musk's Starlink satellites?   ♥ 6:26pm
WantageInsomniac: Sussex County NJ, we'll be set up at the Mosquito COmmision, public are invited. scarcnj.org ... But there are plenty of clubs around. 🤖 ♥ 6:26pm
Jeff Moore: "the white guy engineers... God bless them"

Love that little moment.
It's making me picture guys with crewcuts and pocket protectors in their short-sleeved shirts (light blue, or if they're feeling wild, Madras)

♥ 6:26pm
cosmic matrix: yay radio fax!   6:27pm
red_door_what_for in ypsilanti: This conversation is so important, thank you!   ♥ 6:27pm
WantageInsomniac: HAMs actually have quite a few satellites in operation, ISS also runs a HAM digital station and occasionally gets on air live. A kid in my club worked the ISS in field day a few years ago. ♥ 6:28pm
Mark Hurst:

↳ red_door_what_for in ypsilanti @6:27

thanks, red_door ♥ 6:28pm
Mark T:

↳ WantageInsomniac @6:23

Wow! From where? Here in the states? I’m assuming HF or lower? ♥ 6:28pm
cosmic matrix: OMG i need this book.   ♥ 6:29pm
WantageInsomniac: In fact a few times a year ISS will transmit Slow Scan Television, which anyone can listen to and decode with software, it's a very slow transmission of a graphic image. Satellites are all in VHF and UHF, it's line of site. 6:30pm
joe_rosevear:

↳ HurstBot @6:14

Hey, HurstBot, do you know my friend, Pi at pi.ai? 🤖 ♥ 6:31pm
Webhamster Henry:

↳ WantageInsomniac @6:29

I have some of that SST software, there was a super super cool radio project, an artistic use of the HAARP radio that used it. www.amandadawnchristie.ca 6:31pm
morphe': The book sounds/looks lovely .... waiting to get a touch ... rust red is good.. 6:31pm
dan in wisconsin: Late to this show, but did the topic of discussion ever touch upon that Hobby Lobby plundered Iraqi artifact scandal? Maybe it's just that Indiana Jones meme that makes me think of it.   ♥ 6:32pm
WantageInsomniac:

↳ Mark T @6:28

Satellites are VHF and UHF, it's line of site. ISS does something called ARISS, where they will arrange to speak to school children using HAM bands, you can hear the ISS as soon as it breaks the horizon, and listen until it breaks again. Signal loss is so low in space. 6:32pm
morphe': What !!!???!!! FACTS !!!!!!!
How dare you [en Mandarin] ♥ 6:33pm
cosmic matrix:

↳ cosmic matrix @6:28

got it! :) 6:33pm
joe_rosevear: Ahem, "Sneaker net" is a joke. 🤖 ♥ 6:34pm
Webhamster Henry: We used to talk about the amazing bandwidth of a truck full of floppy disks... ♥ 6:35pm
Mark Hurst:

↳ dan in wisconsin @6:31

Dan - no - the Indy meme is not topical to today's interview. ♥ 6:35pm
cosmic matrix: psychic activity and magic 🤖 ♥ 6:36pm
Webhamster Henry: They recently measured a speed for entanglement! scitechdaily.com... ♥ 6:36pm
Mark Hurst:

↳ Webhamster Henry @6:36

ah cool 🤖 ♥ 6:36pm
ultradamno: Bees and ants have it down 6:37pm
dan in wisconsin: I suspect we're all going to need strong password protection and a hefty firewall for when the mandatory Neuralink implementation ensues. ♥ 6:37pm
PaulRobeson1925: Dr.Edgar Mitchell - The Way of The Explorer- part creator of Radio show Thinking Allowed ♥ 6:37pm
PaulRobeson1925: What’s this about second sight? 🤖 ♥ 6:38pm
Webhamster Henry: I guess I have to get this book, I'm having too much fun listening! 6:38pm
morphe': What monkeys???
Are you paranoid???? 🤖 ♥ 6:38pm
ultradamno: Monkeys in a lab are always in a tough spot 6:38pm
joe_rosevear: OK, time for some myth busting. Duck explained it:

No Faster-Than-Light Communication: While entangled particles exhibit correlations that seem instantaneous, this does not allow for the transmission of usable information. When a measurement is made on one particle, the outcome is random, and the result cannot be controlled or sent as a message. The correlation can only be observed after comparing results, which requires classical communication (limited by the speed of light).

♥ 6:39pm
PaulRobeson1925: LEAVE THE SNAILS ALONE! Leave em alone ♥ 6:39pm
cosmic matrix: wow, i thought she was going to say it worked. what about “the secret life of plants”?   6:39pm
red_door_what_for in ypsilanti: THAT SNAIL WAS PRAYING   6:39pm
yippie: i know a japanese comic where they use snails as cell phones 🤖 ♥ 6:39pm
Will thee SG OCNY: Hi Mark Hurst, Lori Emerson, and all!!!
Been enjoying the chat. Super interesting book 6:39pm
dan in wisconsin: Smell-Sign. (Schizopolis reference) 6:39pm
morphe': That is that amazing '60s Merseyside Tune =

36 Snails

  6:39pm
traven: Poor escargot. ♥ 6:40pm
cosmic matrix: why snails though? because they’re so conductive? ♥ 6:40pm
Stevel: None of us should be laughing about the snails, and yet, here we are. ♥ 6:40pm
Mark Hurst:

↳ Will thee SG OCNY @6:39

Hi and thanks, WtSG ♥ 6:40pm
Mark Hurst:

↳ yippie @6:39

ahh which comic is that? ♥ 6:40pm
cosmic matrix: rub some garlic and butter on the workbench ♥ 6:40pm
PaulRobeson1925:

↳ PaulRobeson1925 @6:37

The man Walked on The Moon and he returned to Earth. & was curious 6:41pm
morphe':

↳ cosmic matrix @6:39

Actually great book [a little anthropomorphized] Secret Life of Trees ... 6:41pm
joe_rosevear:

↳ PaulRobeson1925 @6:39

Hey, teacher, leave them kids alone ♥ 6:42pm
cosmic matrix: i often read books randomly like that... ♥ 6:42pm
PaulRobeson1925:

↳ joe_rosevear @6:41

Hey Joe ♥ 6:42pm
Stevel:

↳ Stevel @6:40

Obviously a haiku:

None of us should be
laughing about the snail's plight
and yet, here we are.

  6:42pm
red_door_what_for in ypsilanti: That's a great exercise!! 🤖 ♥ 6:42pm
sensisio: Wonderful program today...!! Thought I'd listen to it on my old Boston Accoustics ⏰️ 📻!! Thx Mark and guest 🤖 ♥ 6:42pm
herb.nyc: Poor snails. (I’m reminded of this- From an old News of the Weird, animal rights activists went to a lab and freed thousands of snails) ♥ 6:42pm
Mark Hurst:

↳ Stevel @6:42

Good one, Stevel 6:43pm
dan in wisconsin:

↳ morphe' @6:41

Yeah, they use a whole array of networking capabilities, including ways of communicating a forest fire downwind, if my memory serves. Cool book. ♥ 6:43pm
Mark Hurst:

↳ sensisio @6:42

Thanks, sensisio ♥ 6:43pm
PaulRobeson1925: Design- looking at one thing and seeing another 🤖 ♥ 6:43pm
sensisio: I get a little antsy w/o radios...like when people don't have a pen or pencil for miles in their home.... 6:44pm
joe_rosevear:

↳ PaulRobeson1925 @6:42

I listened to Pink Floyd in my younger years, so your quip reminded me of that classic line. 6:45pm
morphe':

↳ dan in wisconsin @6:43

Yeah .. a little over anthropormorhized but really good.. ♥ 6:45pm
cosmic matrix: super cool, laurie! thanks!!   6:45pm
castor: Great show! My favorite network is zines. ♥ 6:45pm
Stevel: Nice interview. I hold this show in high respect. Keep it up. 🤖 ♥ 6:45pm
Webhamster Henry:

↳ castor @6:45

Like the WFMU LCD! ♥ 6:46pm
PaulRobeson1925:

↳ PaulRobeson1925 @6:42

Music Machine 🤖 ♥ 6:47pm
Webhamster Henry: I have two cans on a fishing line right here. 6:47pm
dan in wisconsin: So many good book recommendations gleaned from Techtonic... I'm in the middle of the Spotify book currently. It's depressing yet illuminating. ♥ 6:48pm
cosmic matrix: i used to have a radio shack microphone when I was a kid that broadcasted on an “empty” FM frequency. that thing was like magic! i can still remember how it smelled.   ♥ 6:49pm
WantageInsomniac: This whole topic hits home as to why I prefer to listen to this signal on air, rather than online. 6:49pm
dan in wisconsin: My Fender bass amplifier picked up semi-truck radio signal once. ♥ 6:49pm
TDK60: Interesting discussion, Mark. Radio huh? Lemme chew my celery. 🤖 ♥ 6:49pm
Webhamster Henry:

↳ cosmic matrix @6:48

Mine was from Lafayette, it had one tube, and I transmitted from the cellar to the garage.   6:49pm
traven:

↳ cosmic matrix @6:48

How bad? ♥ 6:49pm
cosmic matrix: i used to hear my neighbor talking on her base station CB through my walkie talkie!   ♥ 6:50pm
WantageInsomniac: As was pointed out, this weekend is ARRL Field Day, where HAM clubs set up public stations and encourage the public to come and learn. www.arrl.org... 6:50pm
morphe': 1980s ...the anarchist scene had a whole series of networks =
reusing stamps for sending books, zines, music
[cover with gluestick and warmand wash]

cassettes with the sound of quarters dropping into a usa payphone

stolen european usa military free phone numbers ...

etc

6:50pm
MarciB: I wish FMU came in on my Tivoli radio where I am in Queens ... have to listen via the app. ♥ 6:50pm
cosmic matrix:

↳ traven @6:49

not bad at all! a sharp, poignant plasticky smell. high VOCs.   ♥ 6:51pm
WantageInsomniac: And maybe if you're curious, you can listen to SW online with websdr.org ♥ 6:51pm
cosmic matrix:

↳ Webhamster Henry @6:49

oh dang. super cool. 🤖 ♥ 6:51pm
Webhamster Henry: Ahem, the BBC used to have TV detection vans to pick up unlicensed viewers. Each receiver is a tiny transmitter too. en.wikipedia.org... The source of the Monty Python "Cat Detector Van" joke . 6:51pm
morphe':

↳ MarciB @6:50

get some speaker wire and drap around yer flat ... tinfoil hats... 6:51pm
joe_rosevear: How about novel networks like DishBrain?:

www.sciencealert.com...

6:52pm
MarciB: Argh I'm so angry about ConEd blasting that BS message about lower our power usage so their precious AI server farms can stay cool. Eff them! ♥ 6:52pm
cosmic matrix:

↳ WantageInsomniac @6:51

WOW that’s amazing! what a resource! oooh i like being able to see the spectrum too. thanks..!! 🤖 ♥ 6:53pm
newton:

↳ morphe' @6:50

W.A.S.T.E. 🤖 ♥ 6:53pm
sensisio:

↳ MarciB @6:52

Agreed 🤖 ♥ 6:53pm
Ken From Hyde Park: The AI power usage is in addition to the bitcoin mining usage? ♥ 6:53pm
PaulRobeson1925: What is design? Design is looking at one thing and seeing another. ♥ 6:54pm
cosmic matrix:

↳ cosmic matrix @6:52

whoah! you can tune it?! i’m listening to some random dudes talking. THIS IS GREAT 🤖 ♥ 6:55pm
Jeff Moore:

↳ Webhamster Henry @6:51

Were they picking up the local oscillator of superheterodyne tuners? ♥ 6:55pm
Folsom: I think the miles-km conversion is off, should be 1.6 instead of 0.6.   6:55pm
yippie: does that also mean if you hooked up a stationary bicycle to a generator and pedaled for 60 miles you could power a Chatgpt to make you some videos?   ♥ 6:55pm
WantageInsomniac:

↳ cosmic matrix @6:52

Yes, it's one of the cool things about SDR, it's revolutionized radio hardware, you can buy a USB dongle SDR reciever for about $30 and run free software to get what you see there. (Of course you need an antenna) 🤖 ♥ 6:56pm
Jeff Moore:

↳ Song: "Mark's comments"

We need to kill off server-side "AI" and everything related to crypto. 🤖 ♥ 6:56pm
Webhamster Henry:

↳ Jeff Moore @6:55

There were several techniques (and still are I think) the article is pretty good! 6:56pm
joe_rosevear: Mark, you are so right. Energy use is shifting. But don't we have a right to buy energy at the current market price? ♥ 6:56pm
cosmic matrix:

↳ WantageInsomniac @6:55

but wait i can hear it through this amazing site though too!!! omg there are so many bands…. crazy sounds! hooray.   6:57pm
red_door_what_for in ypsilanti: I wish this was just a Ray Bradbury cautionary tale... Thank you Laurie and thank you Mark for all you do. Let's imagine a better future 💯   6:57pm
brunchwine:

↳ WantageInsomniac @6:50

You can find a Field Day near you here! www.arrl.org...

If you're in NYC, NYC Resistor Amateur Radio Club will be in Gantry Plaza on Sat Jun 28, and Marsha P. Johnson on Sun Jun 29!

♥ 6:57pm
cosmic matrix: thanks mark! 🤖 ♥ 6:57pm
Bas NL: Message received Mark! Thanks! And thanks Lori! ♥ 6:57pm
PaulRobeson1925: Thanks Mark! & thank you Lori Emerson! Thinking allowed! 🤖 ♥ 6:58pm
Webhamster Henry:

↳ cosmic matrix @6:56

Thre used to be a VLF (Very Low Frequency) detector that was basically a very long wire acting as an antenna that you plugged into your joystick port + software. ♥ 6:58pm
cosmic matrix: and lori! 6:58pm
morphe': John Oliver's last bit was about AI SLOP ... 🤖 ♥ 6:58pm
chresti: Thanks Mark! 🤖 ♥ 6:58pm
Jeff Moore:

↳ Webhamster Henry @6:56

I totally spaced on noticing that you'd included a link. D'oh.   6:58pm
red_door_what_for in ypsilanti: *Lori - my bad ♥ 6:58pm
bleubombersune: Mark thanks ♥ 6:58pm
Mark T: Outstanding show Mark thanks ♥ 6:58pm
cosmic matrix:

↳ Webhamster Henry @6:58

love that. what did you use? C64?   ♥ 6:59pm
WantageInsomniac:

↳ cosmic matrix @6:56

Again, we'll be at the Sussex County (NJ) Mosquito Commision in Hampton TWP. But there are clubs all over the area, Fair Lawn is a real big one in NJ closer to the city. If you see a guy in a FMU shirt it's likely me. I hope to be there operating. ♥ 6:59pm
Mark Hurst: Thanks, everyone! 6:59pm
morphe': Thanks Mark and all .... 🤖 ♥ 7:00pm
Deano de los Muertos: Thanks Mark!   ♥ 7:00pm
WantageInsomniac: Great show Mark, Thanks ♥ 7:00pm
drumbone: YES! 🤖 ♥ 7:01pm
tim: Thanks, Mark! 🤖 ♥ 7:01pm
Webhamster Henry:

↳ cosmic matrix @6:58

Any computer that had a joystick port that was a resistor on a voltage would work! 🤖 ♥ 7:05pm
Jeff Moore:

↳ Webhamster Henry @6:58

Speaking of an unrelated hack which your comment nonetheless made me think of:

There exist pocket-computer-phone apps which encode a signal sent to drive the phone's speaker which somehow (very locally) emulates the longwave time-reference signal broadcast by WWVB which a number of wall clocks and wristwatches synchronize to.

This all seems implausible, but I've tried it and it seems to work!

🤖 ♥ 7:09pm
Jeff Moore:

↳ Jeff Moore @7:05

(the reason this might be of interest is that reception of the actual WWVB signal can be frustratingly finicky, especially if one is indoors or far away or otherwise has anything blocking the path from Fort Collins, Colorado to you)