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Listener comments!

Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:12pm
: Everyone's walking around. Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:13pm
Fishtown Mike: Enjoying the show! Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:14pm
zachary: Your imagination is limited if you control curiosity.   6:16pm
Marissa: Just tuning in, who is this? I'm very curious about this discussion! Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:18pm
zachary:

↳ Marissa @6:16

Hannah K Lee

hannahklee.com

Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:19pm
zachary: Yeah.

You're a hack if you use AI for creative endeavors.

Ha!

Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:19pm
BVP: totally agree! HACKS!   6:20pm
Lorraine: Don't hold back Hannah! lol   6:21pm
Marissa: I love this. It's a great description to call it "what the client would design". Artist's job is to get the client what they want but didn't realize they wanted. Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:21pm
zachary:

↳ BVP @6:19

Hear, hear.

For those unfamiliar, here's one take from the comedy world: en.wikipedia.org...

Hack is a term used primarily in stand-up comedy, but also sketch comedy, improv comedy, and comedy writing to refer to a joke or premise for a joke that is considered obvious, has been frequently used by comedians in the past and/or is blatantly copied from its original author.

Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:21pm
zachary: I think the decline of Comic Sans usage has lead to an increase in AI use.

We must bring back Comic Sans.

  6:22pm
Marissa: Comics sans isn't a bad font if it's used thoughtfully! It's very well designed for people who have dyslexia.   6:23pm
Lorraine: "If Comic Sans suddenly became mandatory for one year, would you become a sculptor instead?" Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:26pm
Count d'Al Dente: Unfortunately, too many companies are going with the cheapest route. They don't care about originality or skill. In the late 80's, when digital cameras arrived, professional photographers I knew in NYC were losing a lot of work and started to give up because youngsters with a camera (but no experience) were under-bidding the pro's by 50% or more.   6:30pm
Lorraine: "Do you think AI will eventually become just another tool for artists—like Photoshop did—or do you think it's fundamentally different?" Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:33pm
zachary:

↳ Lorraine @6:30

This is your questions, Lorraine? Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:33pm
zachary: Content aware is AI. Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:34pm
zachary: People learning there are AIs in their software. Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:35pm
zachary:

↳ zachary @6:34

It's just like PFAS. Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:35pm
mrdonutsu: The line between "machine learning" — which we have had for a decade with things like Content Aware Fill" — and what we now call Generative AI is a smooth 32 bits per channel gradient.   6:35pm
Lorraine: I've accepted the fact that AI is pretty much everywhere. No? Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:35pm
zachary:

↳ mrdonutsu @6:35

Smoosh it together. Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:36pm
zachary:

↳ Lorraine @6:35

Oh yes. Everywhere. Every situation is unique. But some are very blatantly generative. Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:36pm
zachary: Oh. I really like that photo animation being a memory that never existed. That's wild. Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:37pm
mrdonutsu: All the new object selection magic, that allows you to manually manipulate your images and video to suit your own imagination with your own mouse clicking, it's still all machine intelligence. Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:39pm
mrdonutsu: But it's still much more in-line with what digital manipulation has allowed us to do over the past 3 decades, compared to what we could do strictly with chemical or physical processes, than is anything generating pixels of recognizable things out of thin air. Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:41pm
Jeff Moore: Oh no! That gen-"AI" vandalism the guest's parents are subjecting family photos to is stomach-turningly horrifying.

I hope the originals are still well preserved somewhere in the family.

Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:41pm
MeMo BoingBoing: I think Compleat Sculptor in Manhattan teaches sculpting in marble. Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:44pm
Mennlinn Rebarts: I think the marble sculptors may have been on a Techtonic episode. Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:45pm
mrdonutsu: Hammer & chisel is cheating. Sculpt that marble with your god given hands! Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:47pm
RVA:

↳ Mennlinn Rebarts @6:44

This is the episode I remember www.wfmu.org...   6:48pm
Aaron in Minneapolis: This is better than any humor Andy and Ken ever had   6:50pm
Aaron in Minneapolis: New name for the show. Type police Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:51pm
zachary: Audio is visually anonymous. Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:51pm
zachary:

↳ Aaron in Minneapolis @6:48

Ha! Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:54pm
zachary: Ha! Improvisation is great, Hannah.

I would encourage you to play around with long form / scenic / character driven improv.

Avatar 6:55pm
Bucci:

↳ Aaron in Minneapolis @6:48

With an exclamation point ! Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:55pm
Jeff Moore: I'm a photographer, and of course I've seen lots of "AI" tools show up in the software (Lightroom) I do my edits in, but just aside from my stubborn principled refusal to let the detail-hallucinating machines inject crap I wouldn't have been able to create in a darkroom into my photos, I just don't like the way those tools make things look. I mean... even the most harmless-sounding tool (some "AI-powered" noise reduction applied to noisy high-ISO digital images) at anywhere near the default strength tends to either make people's skin look like a freaky plastic mask, or (IMO creepier in its way) inject details which might have been part of *somebody's* face, but don't actually have anything to do with the actual face of the actual individual human person I photographed.

Eww.

Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:58pm
zachary: Physical space is important. Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:59pm
zachary:

↳ Bucci @6:55

Evening Bucci. How long have you been lurking? Avatar Swag For Life Member 7:01pm
Fishtown Mike: Really fun show, thanks!   7:01pm
Lorraine: Bye Jackie. thanks for a great show. Avatar Swag For Life Member 7:05pm
Jeff Moore: Also a thought on corporate culture:

It creeps me the fuck out when creative people are referred to using the collective noun "creatives", because it makes then seem all the more fungible as some thing there's an amorphous anonymous supply of...

and it also separates the people doing overtly creative work from the "normal" corporate citizens presumably doing "normal" un-creative (now so labeled by inference) work.

Avatar Swag For Life Member 7:14pm
Mennlinn Rebarts:

↳ RVA @6:47

Brilliant, thanks!   7:17pm
Roxie Vizcarra: Yooooo Hannah 👋   7:17pm
roxie vizcarra: the best kept secret is that illustrators make the best type designers, i said what i said 🤫 Avatar Swag For Life Member 7:31pm
zachary: Thanks again Jackie, Hannah, callers, boarders, liners, kerners, illustrators, and most of all, artists.

Cheers!