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2:04pm
Roman Angelos:
unfortunately I probably won't be able to backannounce today since my rig is crapping out on me a bit. So my lovely voice won't be present :(
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2:14pm
Paper Kosmonaut:
in the 1980s there was a radio show in The Netherlands where the host just kept talking. Through all of the music, the traffic information, the interviews he prerecorded.. It was an absurdist show.
he's got some really intense electronic stuff. I have a record of his that's traditional Neapolitan songs done with ARPs and Moogs. I need to play a tune or two on here
I kind of like the janky sounds people got out of those old synths. They're often dated sounding, but it's more sonically interesting than the more standardized stuff that cropped up with pre-patched digital synths in the '80s.
On a sidenote, the Sega Genesis used what was more or less a scaled down Yamaha synth for it's music. You can occasionally notice some overlap between the sounds and textures of Sega music and '80 pop music.
but all joking aside, I think there is a II. I have to research more why they're called this
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2:51pm
Paper Kosmonaut:
Roman, what do you think is it that Italians made such awesome library and film music? I mean, Umiliani, Trovajoli, Alessandroni... They just made one great record after another.
Trying to find similar music from other places I'm leaning towards the idea that it was supported and promoted way more through "the state". Also the fact that Italy was second only to Hollywood during that 60s age in terms of popularity. But they seem to have supported the music through variety shows as well. So I kind of think they were just more invested and created an environment for it to happen? Mostly just a theory
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2:55pm
Roman Angelos:
and then they got lucky that a generational talent like Morricone was born there?
Very plausible. Especially the Cinecittá thing. It really was another Hollywood and of course that attracted lots of good composers.
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2:58pm
Paper Kosmonaut:
I mean even the erotic movies used to have genuine composers working on the soundtracks. That also happened in Germany and France. There even is a label that specialised in these soundtracks of the Eurocheese film.(Crippled Dick Hot Wax)
From my understanding, Hollywood was in a pretty brough place for most of the '60s and early '70s due to competition from television, which was seeing a massive boom.
The films coming from Hollywood in the late 60s and early seventies I think were top notch. Much more critical on society, much more daring, original, progressive.
Maybe the cause was right what you mentioned.
Yeah, I've always heard that a primary cause of Hollywood's Auteur Era was that major studios realized one of their biggest advantages over television was that they could push boundaries far further in terms of content, since they weren't beholden to sponsers in the way that commercial television was. Rather than compete with television, they began to push theatrical films as a higher quality, prestige format. That was until films like Star Wars and Superman towards the end of the '70s restored the industry's faith in spectacle-driven general audience films.
Indeed! And that, I think, was their best period. I don't really care so much for the tenth sequel or prequel of any spandex-clad, underpants over trousers wearing, caped, fictitious fantasy figure.
I read that Italy didn't have many TVs, even into the '60s and '70s. So everyone went to the cinema. Hence, the film world provided the most opportunities. And not just for composers, but people who might otherwise have gone into TV, theater, literature, painters, etc became film directors (and actors).
hmmm that's interesting to hear because to hear Nicola and Disco Bambino tell it, a lot of the TV variety shows were important in promoting popular music
The '80s is where Hollywood's modern obsession with franchise films kicked in. Just look at all the Rocky, Police Academy, and Friday the 13th sequels that got pushed out.
The Italian film industry started to decline then. The '70s Giallo era was kind of the last big period where Italian cinema was really wide-spread and influential. By the'80s, there was still an Italian film biz, but def smaller, and at least here in the US, we'd only get the rare hit every now and then.
Listener comments!
: hi everyone!
Paper Kosmonaut: Hey! Ho! Andiamo!
Jay Current: Hello
Fiore: Hello
Roman Angelos: unfortunately I probably won't be able to backannounce today since my rig is crapping out on me a bit. So my lovely voice won't be present :(
But you'll get to hang with me here!
Jay Current:
↳ Roman Angelos @2:04
You'll have to edit together backannounces from song clips.Roman Angelos:
↳ Jay Current @2:06
woahRoman Angelos:
↳ Roman Angelos @2:07
too bad a lot of them are instrumental. You could probably do it from songs with lyricsMr Fab: Sorry about your tech gremlins, Roman. But fear not - I'm diggin these the most.
Paper Kosmonaut:
↳ Jay Current @2:06
Interesting but elaborate.Jay Current:
↳ Roman Angelos @2:08
It would be way too much effort, but I feel that at least one WFMU DJ would be deranged enough to do something like that.Roman Angelos:
↳ Mr Fab @2:10
yeah at least the music is working...better music and no talking than talking and no musicRoman Angelos:
↳ Jay Current @2:10
I'm already planningPaper Kosmonaut:
↳ Roman Angelos @2:11
Tell that to Georgygirl and Spacebrother... (-:Roman Angelos:
↳ Paper Kosmonaut @2:12
oh I'm staying out of any of that!Paper Kosmonaut: in the 1980s there was a radio show in The Netherlands where the host just kept talking. Through all of the music, the traffic information, the interviews he prerecorded.. It was an absurdist show.
Paper Kosmonaut:
↳ Roman Angelos @2:14
I found it all quite enjoyable, really.Roman Angelos:
↳ Paper Kosmonaut @2:15
i love the ideaJay Current:
↳ Song: "Fiesta" by "Piero Umiliani"
This sounds like an old video game rendition of the song is playing over the actual song.Roman Angelos:
↳ Jay Current @2:16
he's got some really intense electronic stuff. I have a record of his that's traditional Neapolitan songs done with ARPs and Moogs. I need to play a tune or two on hereRoman Angelos:
↳ Roman Angelos @2:17
they're also all pretty sonically abrasiveJay Current:
↳ Roman Angelos @2:17
I kind of like the janky sounds people got out of those old synths. They're often dated sounding, but it's more sonically interesting than the more standardized stuff that cropped up with pre-patched digital synths in the '80s.Roman Angelos:
↳ Jay Current @2:20
I 100% agreeJay Current:
↳ Roman Angelos @2:22
On a sidenote, the Sega Genesis used what was more or less a scaled down Yamaha synth for it's music. You can occasionally notice some overlap between the sounds and textures of Sega music and '80 pop music.Paper Kosmonaut: Ah, the sotto voce is back!
Roman Angelos: did that backannounce come through?
Paper Kosmonaut:
↳ Roman Angelos @2:31
yes is did!Paper Kosmonaut: *it
Roman Angelos:
↳ Paper Kosmonaut @2:35
woot!Paper Kosmonaut:
↳ Song: "Ho scritto t'amo sulla sabbia" by "Franco IV e Fr...
What happened to Francos II and III?Roman Angelos:
↳ Paper Kosmonaut @2:37
they are around somewhereRoman Angelos:
↳ Roman Angelos @2:38
but all joking aside, I think there is a II. I have to research more why they're called thisPaper Kosmonaut: Roman, what do you think is it that Italians made such awesome library and film music? I mean, Umiliani, Trovajoli, Alessandroni... They just made one great record after another.
Roman Angelos:
↳ Paper Kosmonaut @2:51
Trying to find similar music from other places I'm leaning towards the idea that it was supported and promoted way more through "the state". Also the fact that Italy was second only to Hollywood during that 60s age in terms of popularity. But they seem to have supported the music through variety shows as well. So I kind of think they were just more invested and created an environment for it to happen? Mostly just a theoryRoman Angelos: and then they got lucky that a generational talent like Morricone was born there?
Paper Kosmonaut:
↳ Roman Angelos @2:53
Very plausible. Especially the Cinecittá thing. It really was another Hollywood and of course that attracted lots of good composers.Paper Kosmonaut: I mean even the erotic movies used to have genuine composers working on the soundtracks. That also happened in Germany and France. There even is a label that specialised in these soundtracks of the Eurocheese film.(Crippled Dick Hot Wax)
Roman Angelos:
↳ Paper Kosmonaut @2:58
oh yes, totally. When I first saw Emmanuelle I was like "woah this soundtrack is great!"Fiore: Just riding around in the Alpha with the hood down, groovin to the sounds
Paper Kosmonaut:
↳ Song: "Tecnologia moderna, Pt. 2" by "Mario Molino"
That was a sudden ending.Roman Angelos:
↳ Paper Kosmonaut @3:17
gotta keep it surprisingPaper Kosmonaut:
↳ Roman Angelos @3:18
Sure!Jay Current:
↳ Roman Angelos @2:53
From my understanding, Hollywood was in a pretty brough place for most of the '60s and early '70s due to competition from television, which was seeing a massive boom.Paper Kosmonaut:
↳ Jay Current @3:23
The films coming from Hollywood in the late 60s and early seventies I think were top notch. Much more critical on society, much more daring, original, progressive.Maybe the cause was right what you mentioned.
Roman Angelos:
↳ Song: "La Regola Del Gioco" by "Rita Monico"
Portishead before PortisheadJay Current:
↳ Paper Kosmonaut @3:29
Yeah, I've always heard that a primary cause of Hollywood's Auteur Era was that major studios realized one of their biggest advantages over television was that they could push boundaries far further in terms of content, since they weren't beholden to sponsers in the way that commercial television was. Rather than compete with television, they began to push theatrical films as a higher quality, prestige format. That was until films like Star Wars and Superman towards the end of the '70s restored the industry's faith in spectacle-driven general audience films.Paper Kosmonaut:
↳ Jay Current @3:43
Indeed! And that, I think, was their best period. I don't really care so much for the tenth sequel or prequel of any spandex-clad, underpants over trousers wearing, caped, fictitious fantasy figure.Mr Fab:
↳ Paper Kosmonaut @2:51
I read that Italy didn't have many TVs, even into the '60s and '70s. So everyone went to the cinema. Hence, the film world provided the most opportunities. And not just for composers, but people who might otherwise have gone into TV, theater, literature, painters, etc became film directors (and actors).Roman Angelos:
↳ Mr Fab @3:50
hmmm that's interesting to hear because to hear Nicola and Disco Bambino tell it, a lot of the TV variety shows were important in promoting popular musicMr Fab:
↳ Roman Angelos @3:53
Were these shows maybe later into the '70s?Roman Angelos: i'd have to check that but def a few of them were late 60s into the early 70s. But DB talks a lot about the late 70s and 80s
Jay Current:
↳ Paper Kosmonaut @3:48
The '80s is where Hollywood's modern obsession with franchise films kicked in. Just look at all the Rocky, Police Academy, and Friday the 13th sequels that got pushed out.Mr Fab:
↳ Roman Angelos @3:55
The Italian film industry started to decline then. The '70s Giallo era was kind of the last big period where Italian cinema was really wide-spread and influential. By the'80s, there was still an Italian film biz, but def smaller, and at least here in the US, we'd only get the rare hit every now and then.Paper Kosmonaut: Mille grazie, Roman!
Roman Angelos:
↳ Mr Fab @3:58
defRoman Angelos: thanks everyone, glad we were able to make it through even with the last minute bs my setup threw at me :)