Listener comments!

🤖 ♥ 5:36pm
: Mark! Big Techtons! 🤖 ♥ 5:51pm
ultradamno: www.nytimes.com... 🤖 ♥ 6:00pm
Deano de los Muertos: Wazzap Mark and folx   6:00pm
David (in London): Evening Mark and all Technoids here gathered. 🤖 ♥ 6:00pm
Bas NL: Hi Mark! Hi all!   6:01pm
malĥerbo (nl): Evening Mark and Techtonauts! 🤖 ♥ 6:01pm
Handy Haversack: Mark and all the Techyons! 🤖 ♥ 6:01pm
Spikey BXL: Hello Mark, luddites ♥ 6:01pm
Peter from Saranac Lake NY: Hello Mark and everyone. 🤖 ♥ 6:01pm
chresti: Hi Mark and techtonicians! 🤖 ♥ 6:02pm
tim: Hey Mark and crew! 🤖 ♥ 6:03pm
Webhamster Henry: Hi Mark & Cory ♥ 6:04pm
PaulRobeson1925: Hi Hi Hi   ♥ 6:04pm
New Dave: Hi all. This should be good... 🤖 ♥ 6:05pm
Mennlinn Rebarts: Just as the show came on the air, my wife was looking up a recipe and got all these intrusive ads about dust mites with these slop images of insects crawling into ears and nostrils.
Completely unapetizing and totaliy enshittified experience.   6:05pm
yippie: are "enshit" or "shittification" words also? 🤖 ♥ 6:05pm
ultradamno: Clippy, nooooo 🤖 ♥ 6:06pm
Mennlinn Rebarts: I like that the chat does not try to autocorrect 'enshittification.' :D ♥ 6:06pm
Mark Hurst: Hi ultra, Deano, DiL, Bas, malĥerbo, Handy, Spikey, Peter, chresti, tim, webham, PaulR, New Dave, Mennlinn, yippie - thanks for joining! 🤖 ♥ 6:07pm
DjLorraine: Hi 🤖 ♥ 6:08pm
ultradamno: merdephying   6:08pm
Zinn The Mood: Great to hear Cory Doctorow! He’s doing such great work.

Land of the Fee

Home of the Slave

  6:08pm
malĥerbo (nl): I like that i can use the term in the apple podcast app, but not in the ‘alternative’ podcasting 2.0 universe 🤪 🤖 ♥ 6:08pm
Bas NL: Clippy *did* stirr up popular discontent.   6:08pm
yippie: enshittification has a circumfix, a combination suffix & prefix   6:09pm
Listener Robert: Quora.com is an example. ♥ 6:09pm
Mark Hurst:

↳ yippie @6:08

Good point, hadn't thought of the components of the term 🤖 ♥ 6:09pm
Webhamster Henry: There needs to be a way to take the well-moderated groups off of facebook and wholly transplant them to another platform or platforms. 🤖 ♥ 6:10pm
Ken From Hyde Park: Hello, Mark and associated crapulence. ♥ 6:11pm
Mark Hurst:

↳ Webhamster Henry @6:09

Agree & wish someone (or someones) would invent just such a thing ♥ 6:11pm
Mark Hurst:

↳ Ken From Hyde Park @6:10

Hi KfHP, welcome   6:12pm
east hollywood: Quickbooks 🤖 ♥ 6:12pm
Webhamster Henry: Competition is wasteful - as is democracy! We need more meaningful metrics. 🤖 ♥ 6:13pm
Handy Haversack:

↳ Ken From Hyde Park @6:10

Ken, we waved in your direction as we came down the Taconic on our way home from MA today. 🤖 ♥ 6:13pm
Bas NL: Wow.. Higher debt, lower wages.   6:15pm
P.Welles: I wish more people could get these important conversations. Thanks Mark, for all your work and for Wfmu to allow free thinking. ♥ 6:15pm
Mark Hurst:

↳ P.Welles @6:15

Thanks, P.Welles   6:15pm
malĥerbo (nl): I’d love to see bit chat replace whatsapp for smallish, local communities. It’s still a long way away, i know, but one can surely hope … 🤖 ♥ 6:15pm
Handy Haversack:

↳ malĥerbo (nl) @6:15

Look into Delta Chat. ♥ 6:16pm
Mark Hurst:

↳ Handy Haversack @6:15

Thanks, Handy - delta.chat...   6:18pm
malĥerbo (nl): @HH: thanks, interesting!   6:20pm
Bea: Thanks for this interview, Mark - really appreciate this discussion. 🤖 ♥ 6:20pm
Handy Haversack:

↳ Mark Hurst @6:16

We *just* got back in town, Mark, but had a great two days with dkg. I'll drop you an e-mail as my brain did some scheming ... ♥ 6:21pm
Mark Hurst:

↳ Bea @6:20

thanks, Bea :) ♥ 6:21pm
tom tom the pipers son: seems to me that enshitification spread out of hedgefund strategies assisted by tech… now it’s leeching into the rest of commercial activity ♥ 6:21pm
Mark Hurst:

↳ Handy Haversack @6:20

looking forward to it! 🤖 ♥ 6:21pm
ultradamno: He also kind of looked like King Tut on the Batman TV show ♥ 6:23pm
PaulRobeson1925: 2nd guided age. Yep. similar looking faces in positions of authority too 🤖 ♥ 6:25pm
Bas NL: There will come a day Google will register as a religion to claim consumers have a freedom to believe in them. ♥ 6:26pm
tom tom the pipers son: the stock market is about turning a profit at any cost …has become modus operandi with unregulated tech for the rest of the world tech worship ♥ 6:27pm
PaulRobeson1925:

↳ PaulRobeson1925 @6:23

& the 1st Gilded Age was great for similar looking faces 🤖 ♥ 6:27pm
chresti:

↳ Bas NL @6:25

I believe it ♥ 6:30pm
Mark Hurst:

↳ chresti @6:27

think of the tax savings   6:30pm
Marie in Chicago: This is so great, so informative and insightful. I didn't know a lot of this. I'm horrified to hear about the nurse salaries being manipulated like that. ♥ 6:32pm
Mark Hurst:

↳ Marie in Chicago @6:30

Thanks, Marie - I talked in more detail about the nurses on the July 28, 2025 episode. Playlist has links to the nurse exploitation: www.wfmu.org... 🤖 ♥ 6:32pm
ultradamno: Like how Amazon used to get 'unlimited streaming' of music you bought, then you were getting incomplete albums showing up on Amazon Music...and now you can hear one album and pitches to subscribe to the service. 🤖 ♥ 6:33pm
Bas NL: Mmm.. DRM would do well in politics. Vote the opponent and you forfeit all your ... ♥ 6:35pm
PaulRobeson1925: & even if you can afford a nursing home, this does not mean you are going to be cared for. A diaper change twice a day. A meal that is warm if you are lucky. And the administrator will tell you “Nobody cares like Family”

& if you are in a nursing home it is no grantee of good outcomes. Someone has to make sure you are ok and sometimes it is a CNA but too often it is nobody. And what are you going to do if you don’t have medicaid and medicare? You go into a hospital then the worst last resort nursing homes in the state and you stay there. Untill the end.

& if you are homesless and can not leave under your own power. You stay in that last resort nursing home untill the end

I wonder what the nurses using the nursing apps look like?

♥ 6:35pm
tom tom the pipers son: @ mark… do you think hedgefunding was a host for the spread of the use of tech in the rest of the market.. 🤖 ♥ 6:37pm
Webhamster Henry: This interview is super fun!   ♥ 6:37pm
New Dave: I KNEW there was a reason I liked your guest... Canadian! ♥ 6:38pm
Mark Hurst:

↳ tom tom the pipers son @6:35

hedgefunding - you mean Wall St in general? longtime partner of Silicon Valley 🤖 ♥ 6:38pm
Deano de los Muertos:

↳ Webhamster Henry @6:37

yeah, Corey is a great guest 🤖 ♥ 6:39pm
ultradamno:

↳ ultradamno @6:32

By the way, the 'boy genius' techbro in Alien: Earth is the most punchable character on TV   6:39pm
P.Welles: absolutely fascinating conversation. ♥ 6:41pm
tom tom the pipers son:

↳ Mark Hurst @6:38

well i kind of mean the use of tech to calculate trading beyond human the reach of human intelligence thereby framing profit as unlimited 🤖 ♥ 6:46pm
Webhamster Henry: yeh, Kepler was awesome! Also: The Puck Building is awesome.   6:47pm
JJ-NY-CA: What is that word, critihike? ♥ 6:47pm
Mark Hurst:

↳ JJ-NY-CA @6:47

critihype - Lee Vinsel 🤖 ♥ 6:47pm
Handy Haversack:

↳ JJ-NY-CA @6:47

"critihype" ♥ 6:47pm
Mark Hurst:

↳ tom tom the pipers son @6:41

interesting idea   6:48pm
JJ-NY-CA: Ah. Thanks. 🤖 ♥ 6:48pm
Webhamster Henry: [ordering] 🤖 ♥ 6:49pm
Handy Haversack: I think it was Cory who recommended to me using Strange Horizons to find SF book recs, which has been immensely profitable to me, literarily speaking. Thanks for that and this, Cory! 🤖 ♥ 6:50pm
Erin in TO: Fantastic interview, thank you Mark! Love it when you have Cory on 🤖 ♥ 6:50pm
Handy Haversack:

↳ Handy Haversack @6:49

strangehorizons.com ♥ 6:50pm
tom tom the pipers son:

↳ Mark Hurst @6:47

seems like the subjects of “techtonic" i first started to become aware of learning , in a rudimentary way, about hedgefunding 🤖 ♥ 6:51pm
tim: Thanks, Mark and Cory! Good conversation. ♥ 6:51pm
PaulRobeson1925: I wonder how Nursing homes differ in Germany, Mexico, Spain and the United States

Are there any books that compare nursing homes in this way?

🤖 ♥ 6:51pm
chresti: Thanks Cory and Mark! 🤖 ♥ 6:51pm
Bas NL: You should have Cory on as a regular, Mark!
Thanks for today's! ♥ 6:53pm
PaulRobeson1925:

↳ PaulRobeson1925 @6:51

Jamaica and Haiti and Guyana 🤖 ♥ 6:53pm
ultradamno: americanartarchives.com...

flashbak.com...

🤖 ♥ 6:53pm
Webhamster Henry: The former Bell system is almost completely reconstituted ... 🤖 ♥ 6:54pm
Handy Haversack: And thanks, Mark. Great to come home to Techtonic. ♥ 6:55pm
tom tom the pipers son: thx mark and guest...   6:55pm
Zinn The Mood: Join a movement; right on, Mark!

socialists.nyc

🤖 ♥ 6:57pm
Deano de los Muertos: Great show, thank you Mark and Corey   6:57pm
Marie in Chicago: 2026--vote and vote Democrat ♥ 6:58pm
PaulRobeson1925: A crisis of literacy too. Lotta Folks can’t read. and if they can, so what.

A highly literate society brought about the reforms of the early 20th century

  6:58pm
Marie in Chicago: Thanks, Mark and Cory!   6:58pm
KWilde: great guest ♥ 6:58pm
bleubombersune: Mark & Cory Thanks All stray safe and be well ♥ 6:58pm
PaulRobeson1925: & No activists back then- they called themselves “reformers”   6:58pm
P-90: Another on-point interview with Cory D, thanks 🤖 ♥ 6:59pm
Handy Haversack:

↳ Song: "Eyes Without A Face" by "Michael Hearst with Clau...

That voice! 🤖 ♥ 6:59pm
ultradamno: The Residents should have done this song 🤖 ♥ 7:00pm
sensisio: 👋🏼 👋🏼 ♥ 7:01pm
Mark Hurst: Thanks, everyone