Listener comments!

🤖 ♥ 5:46pm
: Mark! Techtonlancholy Babies! ♥ 5:58pm
the other nadia (hectic): man, i hate spotify. when i told this kid i technically had a band, the first thing she asked was if any of our songs were on spotify yet. as if that's the ultimate goal. 🤖 ♥ 6:00pm
David (in London): Evening Mark and all Technoids.   6:00pm
Boulder Tom: Hi Mark. Really looking forward to this interview! 🤖 ♥ 6:01pm
Bas NL: Hi Mark! Hi all! I'd love me some mood machine.   6:02pm
Triple G: Hello Mark & all ♥ 6:02pm
Fuzzy: Who needs Spotify when you have WFMU? 🤖 ♥ 6:02pm
chresti: Hi Mark and techtonicians! 🤖 ♥ 6:02pm
Ken From Hyde Park: Hello, Mark and algorithm nation! 🤖 ♥ 6:02pm
Elena: So looking forward to this!   6:02pm
Ciggy: Hi Mark ♥ 6:03pm
the other nadia (hectic):

↳ Fuzzy @6:02

it's the same as algorithms picking what you listen to next except it's real life weirdos! ♥ 6:03pm
Adi From Sheffield: Good evening all.   6:04pm
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↳ the other nadia (hectic) @6:03

we have those here and they dont get paid either! 6:04pm
Juli P: No one thinks of Spotify like that du they? ♥ 6:05pm
cosmic matrix: well hello there! i was thinking about napster this morning. ♥ 6:05pm
Ciggy: Spotify is bombarding me with free offers
It's driving me mad 6:05pm
Juli P: Why don't ppl realize there is Apple Music. 6:05pm
Juli P: I thought it was common knowledge now. ♥ 6:06pm
JDub:

↳ the other nadia (hectic) @6:03

except MFU DJs hallucinate more than AI ♥ 6:06pm
Mark Hurst: Hello ultra, hectic, DiL, Tom, Bas, TripG, Fuzzy, chresti, KfHP, Elena, Ciggy, Adi, ?, Juli, & cosmic! 🤖 ♥ 6:06pm
Dano59: why, they pay pennies on millions of plays ... you gotta get on that, dog 6:07pm
Juli P:

↳ Dano59 @6:06

Spotify does? 🤖 ♥ 6:07pm
Will thee SG OCNY: Good evening Mark Hurst and all!!! ♥ 6:07pm
JDub:

↳ Song: "Interview with Liz Pelly"

Ek has ruined so many things. can't he take his ill-gotten cash and disappear? 🤖 ♥ 6:07pm
Dano59:

↳ Fuzzy @6:02

... or Bandcamp? 🤖 ♥ 6:08pm
ultradamno: Never considered getting anything like Spotify or Tidal...Bandcamp is as close as I get. ♥ 6:08pm
Fuzzy:

↳ the other nadia (hectic) @6:03

It's the human touch that matters -- the DJs, the listener community. ♥ 6:08pm
the other nadia (hectic): i feel like i find myself not paying as much attention when i'm listening to spotify, and more like anticipating what's next, because they have a lot of music, almost anything. i guess that's the bottomless scroll there. the need to see what's next...not a good way to listen to music. ♥ 6:09pm
Adi From Sheffield: I have material on Spotify but it's not through choice but it's part of the setup that comes with my distributor. It's done nothing for me. ♥ 6:09pm
the other nadia (hectic):

↳ Fuzzy @6:08

i like how it's real people playing what they like. and it's something that they can share with us. it's cool! why would we get rid of that? it's the human thought and effort that counts. ♥ 6:09pm
Fuzzy:

↳ Dano59 @6:07

Yes, bandcamp is another great resource for musicians as well as music afficianados. 🤖 ♥ 6:10pm
Dano59:

↳ the other nadia (hectic) @6:08

that has engendered an 'everythig i want to hear should be on Spotify' mentality that I really detest every time I see it. 6:10pm
Juli P: I feel like everyone realize Spotify sucks but then when you begin speaking to ppl you realize how little ppl realize still! 🤖 ♥ 6:10pm
Dano59:

↳ Fuzzy @6:09

it's the giving us an option to pay and support artists directly that I love about Bandcamp.   6:10pm
tonyb: If the U.S. Mint stops making pennies, how will Spotify pay the artists? : ) ♥ 6:11pm
Fuzzy:

↳ Dano59 @6:10

Yes, this. 🤖 ♥ 6:11pm
Dano59:

↳ tonyb @6:10

in itty bitty bits of bitcoin? 🤖 ♥ 6:11pm
chresti: Yeah bandcamp. I don't need AI to tell me what I want to listen to especially when I already know what I want to listen to 🤖 ♥ 6:12pm
Bas NL: I loved Last FM. After three months of listening to loads of stations it's recommendations went down from 5000+ to recommending one (1!) station. WFMU. :)   6:12pm
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↳ tonyb @6:10

neutrinos 🤖 ♥ 6:12pm
Dano59: I'm kind of disheartened that I can't listen to stuff still showing up on myspace 🤖 ♥ 6:14pm
Dano59: i know Joe! I used to DJ with his partner Steph 6:14pm
joe_rosevear: Hi, all. I'm late to the party, as usual!

Wow. Interesting topic--even though I don't use Spotify.

♥ 6:14pm
melinda: hi Mark and friends ♥ 6:15pm
Fuzzy: tin-earred graph paper-brained accountants
(instead of music fans)
call all the shots at major record companies now --
the lowest common denominator rules ♥ 6:16pm
melinda: I never got into Spotify. I kind of liked Pandora but then my usage lapsed after I discovered WFMU.   6:16pm
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↳ Fuzzy @6:15

fmu has that too, LCD ♥ 6:16pm
Fuzzy:

↳ Fuzzy @6:15

MTV, Spotify all get enshittified eventually. ♥ 6:17pm
Fuzzy: Not WFMU though!   6:17pm
Sam: So if Spotify demonetizes you, get off Spotify. Since when have unpopular artists ever been guaranteed a source of income?   6:17pm
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↳ Fuzzy @6:17

no 🤖 ♥ 6:18pm
Dano59: After reading Eric Ambel's takes on Spotify and how much it didn't respect artists, and encouraged the same among its users, I've been against it on major principle. ♥ 6:18pm
Peter from Saranac Lake NY: Good evening Mark and techies. Great interview. Everyone makes money off musicians, but the musicians make no money. ♥ 6:18pm
cosmic matrix: that’s sad; i love nature sounds and such, they shouldn’t be demonitized ♥ 6:18pm
Aquebogue: Song length is an unfortunate consideration when Apple, Spotify and Amazon won't put your stuff up if it's longer than 9 minutes. Make shorter work I guess. ♥ 6:19pm
the other nadia (hectic):

↳ Dano59 @6:10

i know! it's really not though. they don't even have the first misfits album. good thing i have the cd. i try my best to only listen to cds and records and music i've downloaded on the computer. 6:19pm
Juli P: Realizes ♥ 6:19pm
the other nadia (hectic):

↳ Aquebogue @6:18

it's because the public doesn't have the attention span for longer music. 🤖 ♥ 6:19pm
Dano59:

↳ the other nadia (hectic) @6:19

Oh I take great pleasure iin the platform not having EVERYTHING. it gives me a kind of perverse hope 🤖 ♥ 6:20pm
Will thee SG OCNY:

↳ the other nadia (hectic) @6:19

the public doesn't have, what was that again?... ♥ 6:21pm
cosmic matrix: also, spotify is a stupid name. ♥ 6:21pm
Adi From Sheffield:

↳ Aquebogue @6:18

I've put a track on Spotify that's over forty minutes long. I did it just to see if I could. I could 😁 ♥ 6:21pm
the other nadia (hectic):

↳ Dano59 @6:19

it bothers me that they advertise that they do have everything. i like holding a cd which feels like a very official professional thing, and saying "look! this isn't on your platform and it STILL EXISTS."   6:21pm
Sam:

↳ cosmic matrix @6:21

Sure, but so is bandcamp. 🤖 ♥ 6:22pm
Dano59:

↳ the other nadia (hectic) @6:19

and I was referencing all the times I see someone demand or ask someone to put their stuff on Spotify - for their own covenience, as if it's the only thing. it's not. ♥ 6:22pm
cosmic matrix:

↳ Sam @6:21

at least it has something to do with music   6:22pm
wimpy: I agree with everything stated, but I wonder what a good argument to the layperson would be against the convenience of Spotify. That is it’s biggest strength even to me, someone who realizes how much of a leech it is ♥ 6:22pm
the other nadia (hectic): ugh "content" 6:22pm
Juli P:

↳ Dano59 @6:22

Who does this lol? ♥ 6:22pm
Aquebogue:

↳ the other nadia (hectic) @6:19

We need to write for the algorithm apparently. 6:22pm
Juli P: Thought Artists realized they shouldn't use Spotify lol 🤖 ♥ 6:23pm
Dano59:

↳ Juli P @6:22

lazy, narrow people? ♥ 6:23pm
common: lean-back listening? ugh 6:23pm
Juli P: Believe in yourselves!
We need to work together to change this world:
As I say everyday:
I believe in myself. 🤖 ♥ 6:23pm
ultradamno: It is misleading though. For the longest time I just assumed Bandcamp was a School Of Rock situation. ♥ 6:23pm
Aquebogue:

↳ Adi From Sheffield @6:21

REALLY!!??! Good news. Is it on any other platforms ♥ 6:23pm
Cassettivity: Love this point. There is a track I love falling asleep to (Jungle is a Shapeshifter) with a play count of ~500 plays 🤖 ♥ 6:24pm
Dano59: I'm just offended on behalf of the artists - I get how someone like Neil Young with millions of fans can be on there, but ... 6:24pm
Juli P:

↳ Dano59 @6:23

Hmmmmmm. KK
Thought ppl know better by now
Just surprised. 🤖 ♥ 6:24pm
ultradamno:

↳ ultradamno @6:23

Tenacious D teaching iCarly how to jam   6:24pm
Sam: The record industry has always exploited artists. Is Spotify any worse? At least now outsiders have a chance of having their music heard. Back when it was only record companies, good luck. ♥ 6:24pm
cosmic matrix: segueing into spa music! timberland baby 6:24pm
Juli P: Making a post about our band soon:
We will not be on Spotify. ♥ 6:25pm
the other nadia (hectic): listening to music should be an activity. that you completely immerse yourself in. it's how you bond to music, you've gotta pay attention to it and listen to it over and over again. music isn't always background noise. it's meaningful noise. ♥ 6:25pm
Adi From Sheffield:

↳ Aquebogue @6:23

Yep. Everywhere. I use all the platforms. I'm a working musician I hate some of the players I'm involved with but those come with the nature of stuff/distro I work with. ♥ 6:25pm
Aquebogue: Youtube seems to be a platform that FMU dj's go to a lot. 6:25pm
Juli P: Demanding to be on Spotify?
Lol just confused what ppl are doing in the world. 6:26pm
Juli P:

↳ the other nadia (hectic) @6:25

Music can be anything!   6:26pm
Jacky: Satie wrote pieces intended to be background music, to be talked over in stores, for example ♥ 6:26pm
the other nadia (hectic):

↳ Juli P @6:25

they think that's the final goal. being on spotify. then you're "professional". ♥ 6:26pm
Folsom: BBC world service had a short documentary about Muzak 6:26pm
Juli P:

↳ the other nadia (hectic) @6:26

Weird. ♥ 6:27pm
the other nadia (hectic):

↳ Juli P @6:26

yeah but i'm sad that people aren't paying attention to it anymore. 🤖 ♥ 6:27pm
ultradamno: Can you make elevator music anymore? I'd assume that was the first thing AI ate (along with fake celebrity nudes) ♥ 6:28pm
Adi From Sheffield:

↳ ultradamno @6:27

You can, there are specialist agencies who library that stuff from artists. ♥ 6:28pm
the other nadia (hectic):

↳ ultradamno @6:27

i'm guessing ai makes all elevator music now.   6:28pm
Jacky: This guy writes thousands of songs a year and uploads them to Spotify: https://www.nytimes.com/2024/03/31/magazine/spotify-matt-farley.html ♥ 6:28pm
Count d'Al Dente: The good coffee shops let employees play whatever they want.

Streaming services are geared for lazy people who can't deal with making their own playlists, or searching out other sources like international radio, Bandcamp, Soundcloud, etc.

♥ 6:30pm
the other nadia (hectic):

↳ Count d'Al Dente @6:28

i like the music the people at my local coffee shop plays. they played over the garden wall songs last october. 🤖 ♥ 6:31pm
Ken From Hyde Park: Is Free Music Archive still around? If they have an API, there might be a way to listen to a stream of random selections. 🤖 ♥ 6:32pm
herb.nyc: Hola. Spotify- so contrived and thought out. how many spreadsheets were made to come up with this corporation? Keep it simple and organic, and we’ll follow and respect you ♥ 6:32pm
cosmic matrix: simple and short isn’t always bad advice 🤖 ♥ 6:32pm
Elena:

↳ Ken From Hyde Park @6:31

FMA is archived on the Internet Archive (or most of it anyway) 🤖 ♥ 6:32pm
cringe in the redwoods: jeez this is awful on so many levels.
hi, Mark. hi, gang. 6:32pm
Juli P:

↳ cosmic matrix @6:32

I like it keep things simple. ♥ 6:32pm
Count d'Al Dente: Bands, musicians, composers, should have their own websites, and have someone else handle social media to spread the word. ♥ 6:33pm
bleubombersune: Robert Fripp has a great critique on musician royalties. Fripp, Jim & William Reid (Jesue and Mary Chain) have sued PRS over royalties for live performances. Not sure of the status of the lawsuit. ♥ 6:35pm
Adi From Sheffield:

↳ Count d'Al Dente @6:32

All additional cost for people who don't necessarily earn money to start with.   6:36pm
Dennis in FH: I love the Spotify algorithm. It's really good. It's led to me to discover some great music. But I also tune into WFMU if I want to hear a live human talking, making decisions on the fly, perhaps making mistakes, etc. The thrill of a live event. The issues for me are that Spotify doesn't pay its artists, and Spotify has an outsize influence in determining what counts as popular music. 6:36pm
MarciB: I have a friend who runs an indie record label and despises Spotify - he's given many reasons why. So glad to hear this discussion. ♥ 6:37pm
cosmic matrix: In a way, it’s kinda cool that you’re never sure if it’s a real song and artist or not! Like the old days listening to the radio and hearing what you THINK is the name of a song only to never find it…how mysterious and beautiful ♥ 6:37pm
cosmic matrix: but obviously it’s not the same! ♥ 6:39pm
common: ive never used spotify. and i shant   6:39pm
Marie in Chicago: corporations, gaining dominance through technology and ruining life as we know it ♥ 6:40pm
bleubombersune: 23andMe just filed for bankruptcy 🤖 ♥ 6:42pm
Elena: Eric Drott’s book is great 6:42pm
Juli P:

↳ common @6:39

Never ever!
I also knew it twas yucky ♥ 6:43pm
Mark Hurst:

↳ Elena @6:42

Thanks, Elena. Here it is - "Streaming Music, Streaming Capital": bookshop.org... ♥ 6:43pm
cosmic matrix: Also, there is quite the qualitative difference between owning a collection of physical media and accessing a playlist (good and bad).. 🤖 ♥ 6:43pm
sensisio: It reminds me of the organic/free trade label. Were the people behind the music fairly treated, paid a living wage, etc? Junk food=AI vs REAL food. Thats why it should be labled. I'm tired of seeing any AI generated shite, giving creeps 🤖 ♥ 6:43pm
DjLorraine: 23 and me just filed for bankruptcy 🤖 ♥ 6:44pm
Webhamster Henry: Spotify is about Spotify. I don't use it, I just use Bandcamp and WFMU, of course, for my other-person-made-music needs. ♥ 6:44pm
Mark Hurst:

↳ sensisio @6:43

I agree that much of this discussion about music (vs. musical "content" or AI glop) is very similar to the conversation about food - should we eat real food? Or commercial glop? 🤖 ♥ 6:44pm
ultradamno: Is this a repurposed Colbert desk piece? www.yahoo.com... ♥ 6:45pm
Mark Hurst: United Musicians and Allied Workers: weareumaw.org 🤖 ♥ 6:45pm
chresti:

↳ Elena @6:32

I love FMA! 6:46pm
Juli P: Why is the left like you're talking about GOD lol
I call us all GOD 6:46pm
Juli P: I'm here to be part of a group of artists.
I am so excited.
WE can lead ppl away from Spotify. ♥ 6:47pm
Adi From Sheffield: Musicians Union in the UK is trying to push the government here to look at fairer exchange from streaming service. Not holding my breath with the current shower mind you. 6:48pm
Juli P: It's important the way I present the ideas I have about my artwork because ppl so easily twist the narrative
I want us all to be the ones.
Not just myself
We need to show this society it's not about competition. 🤖 ♥ 6:48pm
Ken From Hyde Park:

↳ Elena @6:32

That's good to know. WFMU DJ Cheyenne once curated a show of FMA selections. 6:48pm
Juli P: TOGETHER we can change this society by leading by example and softly 🤖 ♥ 6:49pm
Webhamster Henry: Musicians for Musicans: an org with the basic idea that Musicians should get paid properly. it's a 501(c)(6) , so it can lobby for this cause. musiciansformusicians.org ♥ 6:49pm
the other nadia (hectic):

↳ Juli P @6:48

i hope so. music is a message.   6:50pm
Andres: Corporate music venues are taking a cut of musician’s merch sales. 🤖 ♥ 6:50pm
Elena:

↳ Ken From Hyde Park @6:48

Yes, I listened to some of those episodes. It was a good way to popularize the collection. Some sessions on FMA are unique.   6:50pm
Sam:

↳ DjLorraine @6:43

The regular mainstream media is now urging people to delete their genetic data before it gets sold! Mark told you so! ♥ 6:51pm
the other nadia (hectic):

↳ Andres @6:50

thats horrible.   6:52pm
tonyb: My pal Tina’s band makes more $ from merch/t-shirt sales than from her music.   6:52pm
yippie: spotify also has a stupid name which reminds me of catching chicken pox   6:53pm
seedfriend: Great information ♥ 6:53pm
Aquebogue: Hope Bandcamp doesn't disappear any time soon. 🤖 ♥ 6:53pm
sensisio:

↳ Mark Hurst @6:44

@markhurst GLOP is SLOP! just like the soc's have to now label AI images (if we trust them too) otherwise people are going to believe EVERYTHING they see. I hope this does not conflict w my love for techno?;)

#independentmedia

♥ 6:54pm
Cassettivity: Buy cassette decks > buy cassette tapes 🤖 ♥ 6:54pm
ultradamno: I would assume that's always been true of the mid-tier clubs, never mind the huge ones...pales in comparison to the ticket racket, but typical 'we have to get our beaks wet' thinking 🤖 ♥ 6:54pm
chris in the redwoods: uh-oh. please tell us more about sub stack at some point, Mark. another surveillance business model? ♥ 6:55pm
Adi From Sheffield:

↳ Aquebogue @6:53

The ownership of it has changed a number of times it's not a certainty.   6:55pm
?: ok, so what's wrong with substack? ♥ 6:56pm
PaulRobeson1925: 0.00045 ♥ 6:57pm
cosmic matrix: thanks mark! yes, very interesting interview. f spotify. 🤖 ♥ 6:57pm
Elena:

↳ Mark Hurst @6:44

Thank you Mark! 6:58pm
morphe': Thanks Mark and all .. 🤖 ♥ 6:58pm
chresti: Thanks Mark!   6:58pm
Andres: Cadence Weapon! Edmonton! ♥ 6:58pm
bleubombersune: Mark great interview all stray safe and be well   6:59pm
Andres: Great show! I wish the users of that service in my home had been paying more attention.   6:59pm
Sam: Theoretically the free market should solve this. If enough musicians get paid 0 for millions of views, they will eventually leave and the platform will make less money. People just have to leave and go somewhere that treats them better!   6:59pm
P-90: Thanks Mark   6:59pm
?:

↳ Fuzzy @6:02

And a thousand cassettes. 6:59pm
joe_rosevear: $0.00045 per stream.

Who knew?

🤖 ♥ 6:59pm
ultradamno: Dave's math music tonight is geometric...stay tuned for Dave Mandl, who has sounds shaped like a rectangle ♥ 7:00pm
Mark Hurst: Thanks, everyone! ♥ 7:00pm
the other nadia (hectic): thank you 🤖 ♥ 7:00pm
Will thee SG OCNY: Thank you Mark Hurst and Liz!!!
be well everyone!!! 🤖 ♥ 7:00pm
Ken From Hyde Park: Thanks, Mark & Liz! 🤖 ♥ 7:00pm
Bas NL: Thanks Mark1 Thanks Liz! ♥ 7:00pm
Count d'Al Dente: Good show again. Thanks Mark.   7:01pm
hoeg: Juli P, very thoughtful words thank you   7:01pm
Fredericks:

↳ Juli P @6:05

Do they do better by artists? 7:01pm
joe_rosevear: Or is that 0.00045 cents per stream? 🤖 ♥ 7:04pm
tim: Thank you Mark and Liz! I'm on the waitlist for the book at my library!