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Techtonic with Mark Hurst | WFMU

Evan Selinger and Albert Fox Cahn, authors, "Move Slow and Upgrade": Techtonic with Mark Hurst Dystopia update: good news edition: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Janet Vertesi, founder of the Opt Out Project: Techtonic with Mark Hurst A visit to Repair Cafe El Barrio: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Marathon week 2 w/cohost Jesse Jarnow: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Marathon week 1 w/cohost station manager Ken Freedman: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Celebrating 400 episodes of Techtonic: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Chris Gilliard on Amazon’s admission that Ring spies on us: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Peter Dear ("The World As We Know It") and how we interpret AI: Techtonic with Mark Hurst AI is spreading where it doesn't belong: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Peter Schmidt on the book "Attensity" by the Friends of Attention: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Paul Bradley Carr, author, "The Confessions": Techtonic with Mark Hurst Lora Kolodny from CNBC on Grok's sexualized images: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Ken Freedman and Mark discuss the year ahead: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Tim Wu, author, "The Age of Extraction": Techtonic with Mark Hurst The Ghost of Christmas Tech Anxieties - Sara Clemens and Stu Horvath fill in, with guest Adam Allsuch Boardman: Techtonic with Mark Hurst The first annual Creepy Awards: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Noah McCormack from The Baffler: "We used to read things in this country": Techtonic with Mark Hurst Amateur radio is a superpower: Thomas Witherspoon: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Citizens are being forced to pay for Big Tech data centers, feat. Pat Garofalo: Techtonic with Mark Hurst How low can the tech oligarchs go?: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Aram Sinnreich, co-author, "The Secret Life of Data": Techtonic with Mark Hurst Widening inequality and Big Tech surveillance, feat. Dan Currell: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Filmmaker Amanda Hanna-McLeer on the Luddite renaissance: Techtonic with Mark Hurst The protest against smartphones, with Logan Lane: Techtonic with Mark Hurst AI and surveillance keep spreading: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Megan Greenwell, author, "Bad Company: Private Equity and the Death of the American Dream": Techtonic with Mark Hurst Glenn Adamson, author, "A Century of Tomorrows": Techtonic with Mark Hurst Joseph Weizenbaum warned us about AI 50 years ago (feat. 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Dan Morfitt fills in with guest John Ashbrook: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Compulsory surveillance and other threats: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Lori Emerson, author, "Other Networks": Techtonic with Mark Hurst Unveiling our new theme song by Kirk Pearson, and Big Tech alternatives: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Matt Warwick fills in for Techtonic with Co-Host HurstBot: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Emily M. Bender and Alex Hanna, authors, "The AI Con": Techtonic with Mark Hurst David Greenwood, author, "The Cloud Intern": Techtonic with Mark Hurst Surveillance scholar Chris Gilliard on Facebook's spy glasses: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Discussing "Careless People" by Facebook whistleblower Sarah Wynn-Williams: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Sybil Derrible, author, "The Infrastructure Book": Techtonic with Mark Hurst Dan Morfitt and Mark Hurst discuss dystopian movies: Techtonic with Mark Hurst The Defunding of Public Radio with Jesse Walker, Uri Berliner and Sue Matters: Techtonic with Mark Hurst John Warner, author, "More Than Words": Techtonic with Mark Hurst Sue-Lin Wong and online scams: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Emergency surveillance update: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Liz Pelly, author, "Mood Machine": Techtonic with Mark Hurst Ben Snyder, author, "Spy Plane": Techtonic with Mark Hurst Marathon week 2 w/cohost Matt Warwick: Techtonic with Mark Hurst AI and the future of war – with "Flash Wars" director Daniel Wunderer: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Nick Couldry, author, "The Space of the World": Techtonic with Mark Hurst August Lamm: you don't need a smartphone: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Supervillains in tech – with Greg Epstein, Chris Gilliard, and Jim Starlin: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Welcome to the oligarchy: on Big Tech's government takeover: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Kirk Pearson, author, "Electronic Music From Scratch": Techtonic with Mark Hurst Ken Freedman and Mark Hurst listen to AI: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Andrew Smith, author, "Devil in the Stack": Techtonic with Mark Hurst Our year of surveillance: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Arvind Narayanan, author, "AI Snake Oil": Techtonic with Mark Hurst Nicole Kobie, author, "The Long History of the Future": Techtonic with Mark Hurst Technology we're thankful for, from listeners: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Astronomer Samantha Lawler on Musk's space junk: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Guest host Station Mgr Ken interviews David Suisman on music and the military: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Dystopia update: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Members of the Luddite Club: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Christopher Brown, author, "A Natural History of Empty Lots": Techtonic with Mark Hurst Yaroslav Trofimov, author, "Our Enemies Will Vanish": Techtonic with Mark Hurst Silkie Carlo, director, Big Brother Watch: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Tim Schwab, author, "The Bill Gates Problem": Techtonic with Mark Hurst What if no one wants AI?: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Helen Phillips, author, "HUM": Techtonic with Mark Hurst Even more devices are spying on you: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Carl Öhman, author, "The Afterlife of Data": Techtonic with Mark Hurst Guest host Alan on Rancho Mastatal : Techtonic with Mark Hurst Paula Bialski, author, "Middle Tech": Techtonic with Mark Hurst Google antitrust decision party: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Jon Leidecker, aka Wobbly, on Negativland and fair use: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Tech and the sandwich generation: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Guest host Brian D. on disinformation with Kirsten Eddy and Alex Mahadevan: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Generative AI and the "cesspool internet" – with Jason Koebler: Techtonic with Mark Hurst How it started, how it's going: revisiting the warnings of the past: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Carissa Véliz on digital ethics: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Byron Tau, author, "Means of Control": Techtonic with Mark Hurst Listener questions: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Mark Schatzker and "Food, Inc. 2": Techtonic with Mark Hurst Matt Warwick guest hosts Techtonic: What's the best robot?: Techtonic with Mark Hurst We should all switch to Linux: Techtonic with Mark Hurst What's eating Google?: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Chris Gilliard on what AI is really for: Techtonic with Mark Hurst "Data Grab" by Ulises Mejias and Nick Couldry: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Michael Shelley on AI-generated music: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Eve Herold, author, "Robots and the People Who Love Them": Techtonic with Mark Hurst Richard Polt, author, "The Typewriter Revolution": Techtonic with Mark Hurst
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ultradamno · 2025-11-12 · via Techtonic with Mark Hurst | WFMU

Listener comments!

Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 5:57pm
: Mark! Techtonliens! Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:01pm
Deano de los Muertos: Evening Mark and all Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:01pm
DjLorraine: Time to Techtonic! Avatar 6:01pm
TDK60: Hello Mark. Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:01pm
Bas NL: Hi Mark! Hey all! Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:02pm
ultradamno:

↳ Song: "Theme from Techtonic" by "Kirk Pearson"

I loved the testimony of what it felt like to get hit with that sandwich...imagine if it had been a spicy burrito or a calzone   6:02pm
David (in London): Evening Mark and all Technoids here gathered. Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:02pm
Ken From Hyde Park: Huzzah! I see 6,000 pledges to the station and almost half a million dollars pledged. Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:02pm
PaulRobeson1925: Warm greetings, one and all! Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:03pm
Peter from Saranac Lake NY: God evening Mark and fellow travelers. Avatar 6:06pm
MIster Mark:

↳ Ken From Hyde Park @6:02

Woot!   6:08pm
New Dave: Abilene Texas, where my dear Mom lives...
I visited her last month and we drove around a center being built now.
One square mile. That's 640 acres.
Over 1000 workers slapping it together as I type.
Has it's own natural gas fired power plant, and will suck up 5 million gallons of water there per day...
The city gave them the land and tax breaks for what may be 300 maintenance jobs once it is online. Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:10pm
Mark Hurst: Hi ultra, Deano, DjL, TDK60, Bas, DiL, KfHP, PaulR, Peter, Mr Mark, and New Dave - welcome! Avatar 6:10pm
MarciB: There was another AI apologist story in this week's New Yorker. Sigh. Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:11pm
Mark Hurst:

↳ New Dave @6:08

5 million gallons of water a day, that is bananas. Does Abilene have a lot of fresh water it doesn't need? Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:11pm
ultradamno: Google wants to be in my state so bad www.msn.com...   6:13pm
?: all this water that is supposedly used for cooling - that heat isn't gone, or used productively, it is just relocated to the water, which then raises the temp of the oceans Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:13pm
Will thee SG OCNY: Good evening Mark Hurst and all!!! Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:14pm
Mark Hurst:

↳ @6:13

That is true... a couple of years ago I covered a data center that Facebook placed in a (for now) cold part of Scandinavia. The heat doesn't magically disappear into the snow! Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:14pm
Webhamster Henry: Hello electricity users! Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:15pm
Mark Hurst: Hi WtSG, hi webham Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:16pm
dale: maybe data centers should be built in arctic areas. Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:17pm
Handy Haversack: Mark and the Techyons!

Great to see you at Record Fair, Mark!

And Will and Webhamster Henry and all!

Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:17pm
Will thee SG OCNY:

↳ Handy Haversack @6:17

Hi Handy! Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:18pm
Handy Haversack:

↳ Will thee SG OCNY @6:17

Hope you guys dug the Blank Account set, Will!   6:18pm
New Dave:

↳ Mark Hurst @6:11

There have been serious drought years recently, to the point where Uncle Phil not only had to buy hay to feed his cattle, he actually had to buy water to keep them alive.
This has been a relatively rainy year, so people seem to have forgotten... Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:18pm
Mark Hurst:

↳ Handy Haversack @6:17

likewise, nice seeing you at the 'fair! Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:19pm
Will thee SG OCNY:

↳ Handy Haversack @6:18

It was rad, wasn't expecting 2 bass players Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:19pm
Handy Haversack:

↳ Will thee SG OCNY @6:19

That's how they getcha! Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:19pm
Mark Hurst:

↳ New Dave @6:18

Imagine if during the recent drought, someone in town announced that they were building a new addition to their house and would be drawing 5,000,000 gallons of water every day. What would have happened? Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:20pm
chresti: Hi Mark and techticians! Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:20pm
ultradamno: Holidays are coming, artificially nationalpost.com... Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:21pm
Will thee SG OCNY:

↳ Handy Haversack @6:19

K8 and Creamo, I was digging the tattoo sounds with the set also! Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:21pm
Mark Hurst:

↳ chresti @6:20

Hi chresti, welcome Avatar 6:22pm
MIster Mark: Harry Shearer played an insidiously catchy AI generated song he 'wrote' on Le Show last weekend. Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:23pm
Handy Haversack:

↳ Will thee SG OCNY @6:21

Totally, agreed! Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:24pm
Will thee SG OCNY: Data center should get the Treated Waste Water   6:24pm
Imgur: Why don’t the datacenters use the grey water? Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:24pm
dale: give the poo water to the poo purveyors. Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:24pm
Ken From Hyde Park: Aquifers are often "fossil water" in many areas. Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:24pm
Will thee SG OCNY: Brondo it's got what plants crave   6:26pm
New Dave:

↳ Mark Hurst @6:19

It's Texas, Mark. Freedom.
Show 'em the Flag, boys!

They have waste water in Abilene but mostly spoken for apparently...

  6:27pm
traven: The carrot on the stick: "This will create X amount of jobs." Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:28pm
Webhamster Henry:

↳ traven @6:27

... that AI will then replace. Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:28pm
DjLorraine: The gray water smells. Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:28pm
ultradamno: Why not invite the vampire in? He's a count! Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:30pm
Will thee SG OCNY:

↳ DjLorraine @6:28

Treated waste water is supposed to be 'clean' but grey water is either not treated or slightly treated Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:30pm
ultradamno:

↳ Webhamster Henry @6:28

...n'robots www.detroitnews.com... Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:37pm
ultradamno: NDAs played into last night's tech heavy Simpsons ep Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:38pm
Will thee SG OCNY: NDA's in this instance should be illegal. The people should know what us happening in their own communities...   6:38pm
traven: Visit Joe's giant data center. We give out free bottled water on our guided tours! Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:40pm
Mark Hurst: For more on NDAs and data centers, listen to the episode from August 14, 2023 - Pat Garofalo on Amazon's data-center scam: www.wfmu.org... Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:44pm
ultradamno: Nobody knows what magnets are www.msn.com...   6:45pm
New Dave: Abilene golf courses may be closing soon. They are first in line for waste water (gotta keep the greens green!)
However, wild hogs are destroying the courses and nobody so far has figured out how to stop them.
Old farts can just play virtual golf there and avoid the dangerous hogs, some of which weigh over 300 lbs and can kill you. Avatar 6:46pm
MIster Mark:

↳ New Dave @6:45

Go hogs Avatar 6:46pm
morphe': Disney used such a strategy to build Disney World, FL= using small subentities to buy up the properties to keep purchase prices down with many small purchases not bring notice it was Di$ney and keep price$ low.. There is an old Book"How Disney Devoured the Universe" or some such.. Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:47pm
Ike: And *lots* of people *still* ignore the truth and argue that we should have bribed Amazon to "bring HQ2 here" when the whole thing was a big bluff! Avatar 6:47pm
morphe': Correct details:
Team Rodent: How Disney Devours the World

Carl Hairiness

www.goodreads.com...

Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:48pm
Will thee SG OCNY: What are the natural predators of the hogs? If the Simpsons have taught us anything we must keep sending in the next animal in to help out with the problem. That is until the alpha animal runs amuk... Then that problem must be solved. Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:48pm
ultradamno: I like to think of wild hogs as a new feature to playing golf...like a windmill, or a ramp. Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:49pm
ultradamno:

↳ Will thee SG OCNY @6:48

Maybe those giant pythons that are in Florida now Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:50pm
dale: saudi arabia would be left in the dust and grow poor without trump selling them computer chips. well, except for all the oil thing. Avatar 6:50pm
morphe':

↳ Will thee SG OCNY @6:48

alligators and un-natural humans.. Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:50pm
Will thee SG OCNY:

↳ ultradamno @6:49

Oooh that sounds like fun. ⛳ Golfin with Hogs, Pythons, and Gators! Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:51pm
chresti:

↳ dale @6:16

Or another planet   6:52pm
traven:

↳ Will thee SG OCNY @6:50

Maybe the golfers can use hand grenades instead of golf balls. Avatar 6:52pm
MIster Mark: Tollbooth is our lesson learned this week. Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:53pm
Will thee SG OCNY: It's CEO week at the wild Hogggs golf course. Depending on the draw it may be extended Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:54pm
San Pedro Girl:

↳ ultradamno @6:49

Let's see how El Chumpo plays on those courses. It might reduce the membership at his golf resorts. Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:55pm
tim: Thanks Mark! Informative conversation! Avatar 6:55pm
MIster Mark: Thanks, Mark! 📻✌️🙏✊ Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:56pm
Deano de los Muertos: Thanks, Mark! Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:56pm
San Pedro Girl: Hi Mark and all. I've arrived just in time to say thank you . I'll have to listen to the interview in the archives. Avatar 6:56pm
morphe': ps Film

Tambien Las LLuvias
Even the Rain
=
old film about water in Centra/South America

www.imdb.com...

Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:56pm
PaulRobeson1925: In 1965, could we have stopped the Television and the ills the medium brings about?
In 2025 can we stop the spread of AI and the ills it will bring about?

Entertaining ourselves to death, public discourse in the age of show business baby

Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:56pm
Ken From Hyde Park: Thanks, Mark. Avatar 6:57pm
morphe': Thanks Mark and all .. Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:57pm
Will thee SG OCNY: Thank you Mark, Paul, and the accu peeps! Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:58pm
bleubombersune: Mark and Paul Thanks all stray safe and be well   6:58pm
Bea: Thanks, Mark! Always learn so much! Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:58pm
chresti: Thanks Mark! Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:58pm
Bas NL: Thanks Mark! Thanks Paul!   6:59pm
tracy in LA: thx mark, Avatar Swag For Life Member 7:00pm
Mark Hurst: Thanks, everyone! Avatar Swag For Life Member 7:00pm
San Pedro Girl:

↳ morphe' @6:56

Thanks. I'll look for it. Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 7:35pm
Handy Haversack: Thanks, Mark, Paul! Time to make the taco soup. Let's see AI do that!