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Today: Webb Keane, author, “Animals, Robots, Gods”
AI, robots, and other technologies are raising some thorny ethical questions. Is it OK for people to become attached to robot pets? Or to have a funeral service for a robot when it “dies”? How much authority should people assign to chatbots? Webb Keane dives into these and more in his book “Animals, Robots, Gods: Adventures in the Moral Imagination.”
• Animals, Robots, Gods: Adventures in the Moral Imagination, by Webb Keane, published by Princeton University Press
• Webb Keane at U. Michigan
• Why we should fear the AI godbot (op-ed in the Spectator, by Webb Keane and Scott Shapiro, July 27, 2023):
AI is made by humans and can be constrained by humans. We should not give AI divine authority over human dilemmas. Humans are morally accountable for their actions. As agonising as some ethical issues are, we cannot outsource them to snippets of code. AI will only become godlike if we make it so.
• Could an AI Barbie Stunt the Emotional Growth of a Generation? (IEEE, Aug 21, 2025): “A partnership between OpenAI and Mattel raises sobering questions.”
Mattel, the world’s largest toy company, has partnered with OpenAI to make that a reality. In June, the companies announced a collaboration to “bring a new dimension of AI-powered innovation and magic to Mattel’s iconic brands.” . . .Children, especially in early developmental stages, are acutely sensitive to tone, timing, and emotional mirroring. Children playing with AI toys will believe they’re being understood, when in fact, the system is only predicting plausible next words.
We’re at a point with AI where LLMs are affecting adults in profound and unexpected ways, sometimes triggering mental health crises or reinforcing false beliefs or dangerous ideas. OpenAI, to its credit, has hired forensic psychiatrists to study how ChatGPT affects users emotionally. This is uncharted technology, and we adults are still learning how to navigate it. Should we really be exposing children to it?
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On the one hand... it's unnecessary and indeed silly to be formally polite with software.
On the other hand... I like to maintain my habits of politeness, whether I'm interacting with actual humans or some program designed to mimic humanity. I don't want to fall into the habit of issuing raw peremptory commands when I'm giving instructions in natural language.
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Who tied those people up on the trolley track in the first place? WHO IS THE REAL ENEMY?
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The answer to the trolley problem is not to throw the switch. Ever. That way you stay a witness. Throwing the switch makes you complicit.
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This conversation relates to the decades-long desire for big business to pin the blame for a decision they want to promote of a computer result - a result with no signature, just "science says". That's the modern version of "God told me to".
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Mark, this might be the best interview I've heard on your program. Thank you.
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Robots should end up in the Cloud.
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I can't believe that on some level they do not know this is happening because they do not want to clean up after an actual animal
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What do the assembled company think about being polite (saying please and even thank you, for instance) to cybernetic user interfaces?
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Was it about a year ago that some maker of virtual companions for kids (not unlike the thing they put M3gan into at one point in the sequel) and the company went out of business, discontinuing the service leaving the parents to explain the virtual friend's "death" to the kids...
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Thanks Webb!
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Wow. Great show. Spellbound.
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japanese for trolley is "Chin Chin Densha"
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Thanks again Mark, loved this interview. Don’t forget not to underestimate children (or the elderly) people.
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effective altruism is another way of saying tech oligarchs can act as dictators/monarchs
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Thanks Mark! Thanks Webb!
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