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Techtonic with Mark Hurst | WFMU

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Pat Garofalo from Nov 24, 2025 How low can the tech oligarchs go? from Nov 17, 2025 Paul Mozur on the spread of data centers from Nov 10, 2025 Aram Sinnreich, co-author, "The Secret Life of Data" from Nov 3, 2025 Widening inequality and Big Tech surveillance, feat. Dan Currell from Oct 27, 2025 Filmmaker Amanda Hanna-McLeer on the Luddite renaissance from Oct 20, 2025 The protest against smartphones, with Logan Lane from Oct 13, 2025 AI and surveillance keep spreading: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Megan Greenwell, author, "Bad Company: Private Equity and the Death of the American Dream": Techtonic with Mark Hurst Glenn Adamson, author, "A Century of Tomorrows" from Sep 22, 2025 Joseph Weizenbaum warned us about AI 50 years ago (feat. Faine Greenwood): Techtonic with Mark Hurst Milestones for Big Tech... and Techtonic: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Cory Doctorow, author and journalist: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Webb Keane, author, "Animals, Robots, Gods": Techtonic with Mark Hurst If/Then/Else - Sara Clemens and Stu Horvath fill in, with guest Brendan Keogh: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Adam Becker, author, "More Everything Forever": Techtonic with Mark Hurst Three emerging dystopias: money, water, and truth: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Duncan Moench on "soylent screens" and producerism: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Ed Park, author, "An Oral History of Atlantis": Techtonic with Mark Hurst Daniel Solove, author, "On Privacy and Technology": Techtonic with Mark Hurst Burn Hollywood Burn - Will AI save the movies? Dan Morfitt fills in with guest John Ashbrook: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Compulsory surveillance and other threats: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Lori Emerson, author, "Other Networks": Techtonic with Mark Hurst Unveiling our new theme song by Kirk Pearson, and Big Tech alternatives: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Matt Warwick fills in for Techtonic with Co-Host HurstBot: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Emily M. Bender and Alex Hanna, authors, "The AI Con": Techtonic with Mark Hurst David Greenwood, author, "The Cloud Intern": Techtonic with Mark Hurst Surveillance scholar Chris Gilliard on Facebook's spy glasses: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Discussing "Careless People" by Facebook whistleblower Sarah Wynn-Williams: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Sybil Derrible, author, "The Infrastructure Book": Techtonic with Mark Hurst Dan Morfitt and Mark Hurst discuss dystopian movies: Techtonic with Mark Hurst The Defunding of Public Radio with Jesse Walker, Uri Berliner and Sue Matters: Techtonic with Mark Hurst John Warner, author, "More Than Words": Techtonic with Mark Hurst Sue-Lin Wong and online scams: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Emergency surveillance update: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Liz Pelly, author, "Mood Machine": Techtonic with Mark Hurst Marathon week 2 w/cohost Matt Warwick: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Marathon week 1 w/cohost station manager Ken Freedman: Techtonic with Mark Hurst AI and the future of war – with "Flash Wars" director Daniel Wunderer: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Nick Couldry, author, "The Space of the World": Techtonic with Mark Hurst August Lamm: you don't need a smartphone: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Supervillains in tech – with Greg Epstein, Chris Gilliard, and Jim Starlin: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Welcome to the oligarchy: on Big Tech's government takeover: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Kirk Pearson, author, "Electronic Music From Scratch": Techtonic with Mark Hurst Stone carvers Chris Pellettieri and Arissa Ramoutar: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Ken Freedman and Mark Hurst listen to AI: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Andrew Smith, author, "Devil in the Stack": Techtonic with Mark Hurst Guest host Don Fleming: Musical Tech: Naughty or Nice?: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Our year of surveillance: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Arvind Narayanan, author, "AI Snake Oil": Techtonic with Mark Hurst Nicole Kobie, author, "The Long History of the Future": Techtonic with Mark Hurst Technology we're thankful for, from listeners: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Astronomer Samantha Lawler on Musk's space junk: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Guest host Station Mgr Ken interviews David Suisman on music and the military: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Dystopia update: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Members of the Luddite Club: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Christopher Brown, author, "A Natural History of Empty Lots": Techtonic with Mark Hurst Yaroslav Trofimov, author, "Our Enemies Will Vanish": Techtonic with Mark Hurst Silkie Carlo, director, Big Brother Watch: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Tim Schwab, author, "The Bill Gates Problem": Techtonic with Mark Hurst What if no one wants AI?: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Helen Phillips, author, "HUM": Techtonic with Mark Hurst Even more devices are spying on you: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Carl Öhman, author, "The Afterlife of Data": Techtonic with Mark Hurst Guest host Alan on Rancho Mastatal : Techtonic with Mark Hurst Paula Bialski, author, "Middle Tech": Techtonic with Mark Hurst Google antitrust decision party: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Jon Leidecker, aka Wobbly, on Negativland and fair use: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Tech and the sandwich generation: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Guest host Brian D. on disinformation with Kirsten Eddy and Alex Mahadevan: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Generative AI and the "cesspool internet" – with Jason Koebler: Techtonic with Mark Hurst How it started, how it's going: revisiting the warnings of the past: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Carissa Véliz on digital ethics: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Byron Tau, author, "Means of Control": Techtonic with Mark Hurst Listener questions: Techtonic with Mark Hurst
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2025-03-18 · via Techtonic with Mark Hurst | WFMU

Listener comments!

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: Mark! Techtarnstormers!
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Handy Haversack: Mark and all!
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Will thee SG OCNY: Good evening Mark Hurst and all!!!
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chresti: Hi Mark and markers!
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joe_rosevear: OK, I'm here. We can start now.
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DanFA: Hi Mark.
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Hugo (NL): Hi Mark, robots!
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joe_rosevear:

↳ chresti @6:01

I have a Sharpie...
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the other nadia (hectic): you can't go wrong with a pb and j
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ultradamno: Good piece on online gaming from John Oliver last night with a certain emphasis on how devices make it worse.
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Peter from Saranac Lake NY: Mark, techies. Good evening.
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the other nadia (hectic):

↳ the other nadia (hectic) @6:04

just saying...
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David (in London): Evening Mark and assembled Technoids.
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Bas NL: Hi Mark! You was great on the Hoof 'n Mouth! Hi all!
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paddy in matawan: GOOOOOOOOOOOAAAAAAAAAAAAAALLLLLLLLLLLL!!!!!!
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tim: Hi Mark! Congrats on the successful marathon! Great performance at Hoof'n'Mouth too!
  6:06pm
Boulder Tom: I’m currently reading Mood Machine by Liz Pelly. This show was where I heard about it. Spotify is nuts.
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Folsom: Mark looked good with the glasses last night
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the other nadia (hectic): great song choice last night mark hurst
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chresti:

↳ joe_rosevear @6:04

That means you are a sharper marker.
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tim:

↳ Song: "Mark's intro"

I really love that spoof!
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joe mulligan: can't thank you enough Mark for having this show on WFMU.
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tim: Hi everyone!
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N'Lo: Baltimore is listening!
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Webhamster Henry: Hi Friends!
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Ken From Hyde Park: Hello, Mark and minor threats.
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Will thee SG OCNY: 👀👀👀
In the sky
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MarciB: I wonder if Mark will interview the "Careless People" author Sarah Wynn-Williams. Since Zuckerburg doesn't want us to read it, we should read it!
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herb.nyc: Hey there. Whew, mark sez no more planes. But I wonder, have small drones done such already?
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Folsom: What is that military program where they use a high altitude camera to get a bird's eye view and then use street cameras to zoom down on the action?
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wenzo: “Ross McNut”?! 😂
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PaulRobeson1925: Warm greetings one & all!
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ultradamno: Since we have a Musk theme shaping up on playlist images www.comicsands.com...
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Bas NL: Wammy. Son of the Big WOPR.
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joe_rosevear:

↳ chresti @6:06

Actually, I'm feeling dull today--but that's nice of you to say so! Thank you.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:12pm
Mark Hurst: Sept 9, 2019 show with Arthur Holland Michel discussing his book "Eyes in the Sky," about how US military drones in Iraq came to be deployed over civilian populations in the US: www.wfmu.org...
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:13pm
FoolishBandit: You are pulling my leg that this guy's name was "McNut"
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Mark Hurst: Ross McNutt, PhD - www.pss-1.com...
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socoartdecolime: just tuning in - wonder if they will talk about how landscaping in lower-income areas tends to enable surveillance
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paddy in matawan: are they still riding unregistered dirtbikes and 4-wheelers in the streets there?
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Mark Hurst: ultra, Handy, WtSG, chresti, joe_r, DanFA, Hugo, hectic, Peter, DiL, paddy, tim, Tom, Folsom, joe m, N'Lo, Webham, KfHP, Marci, herb, PaulR, Bas, Foolish, socoart - welcome to all!
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Mike From Brooklyn: Greetings Mark and everybody!
Great performance at the Hoof & Mouth last night Mark!
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Mark Hurst:

↳ Mike From Brooklyn @6:15

thanks, Mike, and nice meeting you in person during the marathon
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Mark Hurst:

↳ Bas NL @6:05

thanks, Bas!
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FoolishBandit:

↳ Mark Hurst @6:15

Ahoy!
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PaulRobeson1925: & theories reflect their creators world view both as the world is and as the world should be
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Mark Hurst:

↳ Boulder Tom @6:06

Liz Pelly will be on the show soon. Mood Machine is a great read.
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Will thee SG OCNY: The planes will just make more shooting happen in buildings and parking garages
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PaulRobeson1925: The War On Drugs is the root cause of the violence lawenforcementactionpartnership.org... and the lack of trust
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SeaCreature: Yeah but could it see Snoop n Chris dumping bodies in boarded up buildings?
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Bas NL: This company sounds like Omni Consumer Products from Robocop.
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Deano de los Muertos: Evening Mark and all
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Mark Hurst:

↳ Deano de los Muertos @6:19

welcome, Deano
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tim:

↳ SeaCreature @6:19

Sheeeeeeeeeit! Talk to Prop Joe for his take.
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Ken From Hyde Park: Sounds like tinfoil umbrellas would be a good business opportunity for downtown Baltimore.
  6:27pm
Graham: Crime is way down in Baltimore these days. Great town full of great people, quite a number of worker owned businesses, strong feeling of neighborliness and community. Affordable housing, and reasonable travel times to the rest of the NE corridor and the mid Atlantic.
Lots of green spaces full of wildlife here too.

I saw this author speak recently at our local coffee shop slash bookstore, worker owned: Red Emma’s. Amusing that not everyone employed by this spy plane company was eager to admit it publicly!

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melinda: hi everyone!
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the other nadia (hectic): hey mark, i don't know if you've talked about this before, but something i feel the effect of most in my life as a young person is the social pressure to have a phone and be on the internet all the time. i don't want to have a phone, but it forms barriers in my relationships with people because they all have this sort of aspect of their life that i don't. do you think you could have a show about this and the effects of social media on the youths today?
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Handy Haversack:

↳ the other nadia (hectic) @6:30

You might find this ep. interesting:

www.wfmu.org...

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yippie: i think one of the weirdest privacy laws is in new orleans, where its generally illegal to wear a mask, but if you ride on the mardi gras float you must wear a mask
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melinda: I spent a night in Baltimore a couple of years ago in a historic house airbnb just a few blocks from the train station, nice neighborhood to walk around in. Interesting vibe.
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Hoboken Jack: Fascinating interview thus far! Thank you Mark
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wenzo: I have a shotspotter outside my house
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the other nadia (hectic):

↳ Handy Haversack @6:32

oh that's amazing! i thought he might have done such a show already
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Mark Hurst:

↳ the other nadia (hectic) @6:33

I was going to suggest that episode (thanks, Handy) - after you have listened to that one, then listen to my interview with August Lamm: www.wfmu.org...
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Mark Hurst:

↳ Hoboken Jack @6:33

Thanks, Jack, and nice hanging out with you during the marathon
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FoolishBandit:

↳ Mark Hurst @6:35

My headphones just died!!! Ill have to listen to this on the archive but I am enjoying the interview.
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chris in the redwoods: hi, Mark and everyone. finally here after a damp walk with puppers :)
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PaulRobeson1925: The War on Drugs is the new Jim Crow

Prohibition can’t stop what it’s meant to stop. It’s not about the drugs. It is about controlling people

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Mark Hurst:

↳ chris in the redwoods @6:40

welcome, Chris
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jan: I was a student at Maryland Institute in Baltimore. The campus was right in the middle of downtown Baltimore. This was 1973-1975 and while the city was intact near the campus, there were acres of demolished lots - the ruins of the riots in the 60s. Each day starting at dusk, helicopters flew over the city, shining bright searchlights over the streets. Being innocent, I thought it would be fun to run away from the roving searchlight. Being a white kid, I was of no interest to the cops. Sometime later, a friend and I snuck on to a derelict ship in the harbor. The cops were called and the helicopter swooped down, and the squad cars converged on the location. Hearing the sirens, we ran back to the street before the police arrived. We were questioned and let go- white privilege...
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the other nadia (hectic):

↳ Mark Hurst @6:34

i heard the interview with august a few weeks ago. gives me hope :)
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Ciggy: Hi
I was asleep
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PaulRobeson1925: There is a direct line to the enforcement of the 1970 Controlled Substance act and the erosion of privacy we have seen over the last 55 years
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Mark Hurst:

↳ the other nadia (hectic) @6:42

me too
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the other nadia (hectic):

↳ Handy Haversack @6:32

the "dual mentality" the description talks about is definitely a good description of the feeling i have
  6:49pm
Sierra: Great interview as always! What about Gorgon’s stare?
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wimpy: Going full Batman sounds 10 times worse
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tim: Thanks, Mark. Good conversation!
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Handy Haversack:

↳ the other nadia (hectic) @6:47

I don't use a phone -- never have had one. But it sounds like you have more social pressure to use one than I do.
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ultradamno:

↳ Song: "Mark's comments"

bsky.app...
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the other nadia (hectic):

↳ Handy Haversack @6:50

it's tougher if you're younger because kids kind of build their whole relationships and lives around them. their stupid little pocket rectangles.
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tim: Sounds like Miami Beach cops are hoping to make their own Girls Gone Wild videos.
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PaulRobeson1925: Ho Ho HO
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PaulRobeson1925: @Mark Hurst: You’re a good man. Thank you
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Deano de los Muertos: “Watch the skies” close with X-Files theme??
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chris in the redwoods: thanks, Mark. another yikes!
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Deano de los Muertos: Thanks Mark
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DjLorraine: Thank you Mark Hurst!
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tim: Thanks, Mark!
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Will thee SG OCNY: Thank you Mark Hurst and Ben Snyder!!!
Be well everyone!!
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Handy Haversack: Thanks, Mark!
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efd:

↳ Song: "All of Me" by "Hirofumi Asaba"

second-best version of "All Of Me" I've heard in the past 24 hours!
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Ken From Hyde Park: Thanks, Mark. Don't trust anyone over 30 thousand feet.
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chresti: Thanks Mark!
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Mark Hurst: Thanks, everyone!
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Mark Hurst:

↳ efd @6:59

Aw SHUCKS, Evan
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Mark Hurst:

↳ Ken From Hyde Park @6:59

Good one.
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Bas NL: Thanks Mark!