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Evan Selinger and Albert Fox Cahn, authors, "Move Slow and Upgrade": Techtonic with Mark Hurst Dystopia update: good news edition: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Janet Vertesi, founder of the Opt Out Project: Techtonic with Mark Hurst A visit to Repair Cafe El Barrio: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Marathon week 2 w/cohost Jesse Jarnow: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Marathon week 1 w/cohost station manager Ken Freedman: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Celebrating 400 episodes of Techtonic: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Chris Gilliard on Amazon’s admission that Ring spies on us: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Peter Dear ("The World As We Know It") and how we interpret AI: Techtonic with Mark Hurst AI is spreading where it doesn't belong: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Peter Schmidt on the book "Attensity" by the Friends of Attention: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Paul Bradley Carr, author, "The Confessions": Techtonic with Mark Hurst Lora Kolodny from CNBC on Grok's sexualized images: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Ken Freedman and Mark discuss the year ahead: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Tim Wu, author, "The Age of Extraction": Techtonic with Mark Hurst The Ghost of Christmas Tech Anxieties - Sara Clemens and Stu Horvath fill in, with guest Adam Allsuch Boardman: Techtonic with Mark Hurst The first annual Creepy Awards: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Noah McCormack from The Baffler: "We used to read things in this country": Techtonic with Mark Hurst Amateur radio is a superpower: Thomas Witherspoon: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Citizens are being forced to pay for Big Tech data centers, feat. Pat Garofalo: Techtonic with Mark Hurst How low can the tech oligarchs go?: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Paul Mozur on the spread of data centers: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Aram Sinnreich, co-author, "The Secret Life of Data": Techtonic with Mark Hurst Widening inequality and Big Tech surveillance, feat. Dan Currell: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Filmmaker Amanda Hanna-McLeer on the Luddite renaissance: Techtonic with Mark Hurst The protest against smartphones, with Logan Lane: Techtonic with Mark Hurst AI and surveillance keep spreading: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Megan Greenwell, author, "Bad Company: Private Equity and the Death of the American Dream": Techtonic with Mark Hurst Glenn Adamson, author, "A Century of Tomorrows": Techtonic with Mark Hurst Joseph Weizenbaum warned us about AI 50 years ago (feat. Faine Greenwood): Techtonic with Mark Hurst Milestones for Big Tech... and Techtonic: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Cory Doctorow, author and journalist: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Webb Keane, author, "Animals, Robots, Gods": Techtonic with Mark Hurst Adam Becker, author, "More Everything Forever": Techtonic with Mark Hurst Three emerging dystopias: money, water, and truth: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Duncan Moench on "soylent screens" and producerism: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Ed Park, author, "An Oral History of Atlantis": Techtonic with Mark Hurst Daniel Solove, author, "On Privacy and Technology": Techtonic with Mark Hurst Burn Hollywood Burn - Will AI save the movies? Dan Morfitt fills in with guest John Ashbrook: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Compulsory surveillance and other threats: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Lori Emerson, author, "Other Networks": Techtonic with Mark Hurst Unveiling our new theme song by Kirk Pearson, and Big Tech alternatives: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Matt Warwick fills in for Techtonic with Co-Host HurstBot: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Emily M. Bender and Alex Hanna, authors, "The AI Con": Techtonic with Mark Hurst David Greenwood, author, "The Cloud Intern": Techtonic with Mark Hurst Surveillance scholar Chris Gilliard on Facebook's spy glasses: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Discussing "Careless People" by Facebook whistleblower Sarah Wynn-Williams: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Sybil Derrible, author, "The Infrastructure Book": Techtonic with Mark Hurst Dan Morfitt and Mark Hurst discuss dystopian movies: Techtonic with Mark Hurst The Defunding of Public Radio with Jesse Walker, Uri Berliner and Sue Matters: Techtonic with Mark Hurst John Warner, author, "More Than Words": Techtonic with Mark Hurst Sue-Lin Wong and online scams: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Emergency surveillance update: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Liz Pelly, author, "Mood Machine": Techtonic with Mark Hurst Ben Snyder, author, "Spy Plane": Techtonic with Mark Hurst Marathon week 2 w/cohost Matt Warwick: Techtonic with Mark Hurst AI and the future of war – with "Flash Wars" director Daniel Wunderer: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Nick Couldry, author, "The Space of the World": Techtonic with Mark Hurst August Lamm: you don't need a smartphone: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Supervillains in tech – with Greg Epstein, Chris Gilliard, and Jim Starlin: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Welcome to the oligarchy: on Big Tech's government takeover: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Kirk Pearson, author, "Electronic Music From Scratch": Techtonic with Mark Hurst Ken Freedman and Mark Hurst listen to AI: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Andrew Smith, author, "Devil in the Stack": Techtonic with Mark Hurst Our year of surveillance: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Arvind Narayanan, author, "AI Snake Oil": Techtonic with Mark Hurst Nicole Kobie, author, "The Long History of the Future": Techtonic with Mark Hurst Technology we're thankful for, from listeners: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Astronomer Samantha Lawler on Musk's space junk: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Guest host Station Mgr Ken interviews David Suisman on music and the military: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Dystopia update: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Members of the Luddite Club: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Christopher Brown, author, "A Natural History of Empty Lots": Techtonic with Mark Hurst Yaroslav Trofimov, author, "Our Enemies Will Vanish": Techtonic with Mark Hurst Silkie Carlo, director, Big Brother Watch: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Tim Schwab, author, "The Bill Gates Problem": Techtonic with Mark Hurst What if no one wants AI?: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Helen Phillips, author, "HUM": Techtonic with Mark Hurst Even more devices are spying on you: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Carl Öhman, author, "The Afterlife of Data": Techtonic with Mark Hurst Guest host Alan on Rancho Mastatal : Techtonic with Mark Hurst Paula Bialski, author, "Middle Tech": Techtonic with Mark Hurst Google antitrust decision party: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Jon Leidecker, aka Wobbly, on Negativland and fair use: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Tech and the sandwich generation: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Guest host Brian D. on disinformation with Kirsten Eddy and Alex Mahadevan: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Generative AI and the "cesspool internet" – with Jason Koebler: Techtonic with Mark Hurst How it started, how it's going: revisiting the warnings of the past: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Carissa Véliz on digital ethics: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Byron Tau, author, "Means of Control": Techtonic with Mark Hurst Listener questions: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Mark Schatzker and "Food, Inc. 2": Techtonic with Mark Hurst Matt Warwick guest hosts Techtonic: What's the best robot?: Techtonic with Mark Hurst We should all switch to Linux: Techtonic with Mark Hurst What's eating Google?: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Chris Gilliard on what AI is really for: Techtonic with Mark Hurst "Data Grab" by Ulises Mejias and Nick Couldry: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Michael Shelley on AI-generated music: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Eve Herold, author, "Robots and the People Who Love Them": Techtonic with Mark Hurst Richard Polt, author, "The Typewriter Revolution": Techtonic with Mark Hurst
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Peter from Saranac Lake NY · 2025-08-19 · via Techtonic with Mark Hurst | WFMU

Listener comments!

Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:01pm
: Good evening Sara and Stu. Thanks for sitting in for Mark Hurst. Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:02pm
Bas NL: Hello Stu and Sara! Hi all! Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:02pm
Deano de los Muertos: Hey Stu and Sara! I was actually just talking about a game with apparent AI controversy   6:03pm
Sam: Parrots ARE sentient, but I get your point. Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:04pm
Sara Clemens: Hi everyone! Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:04pm
Stu Horvath: Hellllllllo friends!   6:04pm
Saltonstall: Mark is the greatest, but his substitute DJs are always amazing. It’s like Letterman and Joan Rivers filling in for Johnny Carson. Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:04pm
Deano de los Muertos: Lee Carvallo’s Putting Challenge!
“Ball is in parking lot.” Avatar 6:05pm
Rolando: This will be interesting, I'm glad to be live for a change, been listening in the archives and in podcast format. Hey, the guest lives quite close to me. - greeting everyone.   6:05pm
Sam:

↳ Deano de los Muertos @6:04

Would you like to play again? You have selected…. No. Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:05pm
Stu Horvath:

↳ Saltonstall @6:04

aw, give us a little time to disappoint you! Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:05pm
Sara Clemens:

↳ Saltonstall @6:04

We said this is like when Magnum P.I. was on Murder She Wrote! Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:06pm
Sara Clemens: (And vice versa) Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:06pm
Deano de los Muertos:

↳ Sam @6:05

🤝 Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:11pm
Sara Clemens:

↳ Deano de los Muertos @6:02

Which game, Deano?   Swag For Life Member 6:11pm
Teknishun: Beep Boop Avatar 6:12pm
Rolando: Ai's like huge "never ending" wall of mirrors. Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:13pm
Handy Haversack: Sru! Sara! Techyons and Dice Rollers! Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:14pm
Sara Clemens:

↳ Handy Haversack @6:13

Hey Handy! Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:15pm
Stu Horvath:

↳ Handy Haversack @6:13

howdy! Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:15pm
Webhamster Henry: Hi listeners and bot lurkers! Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:16pm
Webhamster Henry: I'd just like to remind you that there a bunch of games where you aren't killing things all the time. Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:16pm
Stu Horvath:

↳ Rolando @6:12

i always think about the scene in 21 Jump Street (maybe?) where the one guy says he was looking to a mirror looking into a mirror and seeing way down in the repeated image seeing an old man waving   6:16pm
Fredericks: What happened to Mark's voice? It sounds fine, just very different. Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:16pm
Sara Clemens:

↳ Webhamster Henry @6:16

It's true! There's some where all you do is chores! ;)   6:17pm
Fredericks:

↳ Saltonstall @6:04

What are to talking about?   6:18pm
Fredericks: Who is Sara? I am so confused! Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:18pm
Sara Clemens:

↳ Fredericks @6:18

I'm Sara! Who are you?   6:18pm
Fredericks:

↳ Webhamster Henry @6:15

Can you see them? The Bots, I mean.   6:19pm
Fredericks:

↳ Webhamster Henry @6:16

Name a few. Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:19pm
Jeff Moore: It's so goofy when people roll out that hype "AI" label for the same simple human-coded heuristics which have been sometimes-cool (but not the damned Singularity) for years.   6:20pm
Fredericks:

↳ Sara Clemens @6:18

What? Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:20pm
Webhamster Henry: Visual novels, exploration games, construction games...   6:21pm
Fredericks:

↳ Sara Clemens @6:18

I am no longer certain how to answer your question. Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:21pm
Sara Clemens:

↳ Webhamster Henry @6:20

You're right of course, Stu and I are big fans of those, too.   6:21pm
Fredericks:

↳ Sara Clemens @6:18

What did you do to Mark? Where is his body? Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:22pm
Webhamster Henry:

↳ Sara Clemens @6:21

I plug my son's VN games a whole lot so I'll stay mum here, but I will say they are a big hit in China. Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:22pm
Sara Clemens: I'm actually not a huge fan of the shootybang games in general... Avatar 6:23pm
Rolando:

↳ Webhamster Henry @6:16

Agreed, preach it brother. Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:23pm
Deano de los Muertos:

↳ Sara Clemens @6:11

Sorry, I was cooking. The Alters   6:23pm
Sam:

↳ Fredericks @6:21

I heard Mark was offered 7 figures by Google to stop his show and go work for them. What would you do? Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:24pm
Sara Clemens:

↳ Deano de los Muertos @6:23

Oh hmm, haven't heard anything about that yet. I'll have to look it up. Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:24pm
Webhamster Henry:

↳ Sam @6:23

I interviewed at Google decades ago, but their air conditioning was turned up too high for me. Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:25pm
Deano de los Muertos:

↳ Fredericks @6:18

It’s a fill-in, Fredericks! Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:25pm
Stu Horvath:

↳ Sara Clemens @6:24

same   6:25pm
Sam:

↳ Sara Clemens @6:22

Whaddaya got against mass murder? Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:26pm
Deano de los Muertos:

↳ Sara Clemens @6:24

Me either…I just downloaded it though, so I’ll let ya know. Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:26pm
Webhamster Henry: I want to make a game that's a crash-blowup-shoot 'em up with a rolling list of all the charges that will be brought against you in the second half of the game. You can tell I'm a semi-pro Grand Juror.   6:27pm
Fredericks:

↳ Webhamster Henry @6:24

By too high, you mean too low, right? Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:28pm
Webhamster Henry:

↳ Fredericks @6:27

It was icing my salad. Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:28pm
Sara Clemens: Also I'm not in college anymore, I don't know why I called myself a theatre major... Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:28pm
Deano de los Muertos: Garrus! 💚 Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:29pm
Stu Horvath:

↳ Sara Clemens @6:28

Once a theater major... Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:29pm
bravedelay (fka mndave): A video game without a Matt Warwick recording voiceovers in Studio B? Meh   6:29pm
Fredericks:

↳ Webhamster Henry @6:28

That's too low to me.   6:30pm
Fredericks:

↳ bravedelay (fka mndave) @6:29

Agreed. Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:30pm
Deano de los Muertos: Mass Effect was so good Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:31pm
Webhamster Henry:

↳ Song: "Still Alive" by "GLaDOS from Portal (Ellen McLain)"

I really love "Still Alive"   6:31pm
DanFA:

↳ Song: "Still Alive" by "GLaDOS from Portal (Ellen McLain)"

Ipecac put this out? Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:31pm
Stu Horvath: i havent heard this song in over a decade damn. Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:31pm
Deano de los Muertos:

↳ bravedelay (fka mndave) @6:29

Look out for that Big Daddy! Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:31pm
Sara Clemens:

↳ Deano de los Muertos @6:28

What a hunk! Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:32pm
coelacanth∅:

↳ Song: "Still Alive" by "GLaDOS from Portal (Ellen McLain)"

speaking of derivative churned-out slop!   6:32pm
Fredericks:

↳ Deano de los Muertos @6:25

Thanks, Deano. I hope it helps. I think, the heat is getting to me. Someone lower the air on Florida please. Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:32pm
Webhamster Henry:

↳ Webhamster Henry @6:31

Joe McGinty, Jonathan Coulton, Sara Quin made a live version with Dorit Crysler on theremin: www.youtube.com...   6:33pm
Fredericks:

↳ coelacanth∅ @6:32

What are you saying? Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:34pm
coelacanth∅:

↳ Fredericks @6:33

this is unbearable; but if it was sung by a human i'd find it quite entertaining.   6:34pm
Fredericks:

↳ Webhamster Henry @6:32

That's just more confusing. I'm going to take a cold shower and lower my temperature. Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:36pm
coelacanth∅: ...but when he referred to the games as "derivative churned-out slop", my mind went straight to the music most younger (maybe not just younger) people "listen" (as if) to.
...except i usually call it "fodder", not slop.   Swag For Life Member 6:36pm
Teknishun: I was once addicted to Asheron's Call, lost real friends, girlfriend Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:37pm
Sara Clemens:

↳ coelacanth∅ @6:34

It actually is sung by a human (Ellen McLain) who is doing a robot impression (and SFX were placed after the fact)! Her performance in the Portal games is amazing.   6:37pm
Fredericks:

↳ Sara Clemens @6:37

That's just more confusing. I'm going to take a cold shower and lower my temperature.   Swag For Life Member 6:39pm
Teknishun: "Look we've both said a lot of things that you're going to regret" Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:39pm
coelacanth∅:

↳ Sara Clemens @6:37

that's not hard to believe. but - autotune!
i won't subject myself to it! -even when it's used creatively, which is rare, i can hardly stand it.
so dehumanizing. Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:41pm
Sara Clemens:

↳ coelacanth∅ @6:39

That's fair. This is admittedly the one time I like it – I generally don't like it in my actual music. Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:43pm
coelacanth∅:

↳ Sara Clemens @6:41

Neil Young's album "trans" is another one, for me... once i read about why he did it.   6:43pm
Fredericks:

↳ Teknishun @6:39

So, true. I should be in the shower. Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:43pm
Webhamster Henry: I use GPT-2 because it does such a poor job of answering questions and completing prompt sentences. Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:44pm
Sara Clemens: That piece I was talking about is linked in the playlist, btw ("Diabolus Ex Machina"). It's a funny if slightly horrifying read.   6:45pm
DanFA: It was the best of times, it was the blurst of times. Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:48pm
Sara Clemens: Yeah does anyone else feel like a.i. is being pushed at us whether we want it or not? Not a fan, man. Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:49pm
Handy Haversack: Stu, we call those "hangover games"! I'm like, I have a LOT of tables and nothing prepped, so let's just see where all this takes us.

They tend to get pretty deadly. I think because all my safety systems are offline. And super fun.

Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:49pm
Handy Haversack:

↳ Sara Clemens @6:48

WORD Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:49pm
Stu Horvath:

↳ Handy Haversack @6:49

hahah the key is to just do this ALL THE TIME! Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:50pm
Deano de los Muertos:

↳ Sara Clemens @6:48

Yep Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:50pm
Handy Haversack:

↳ Stu Horvath @6:49

It's sort of the Nu-OSR way, right? "There's a table for that." Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:51pm
Stu Horvath:

↳ Handy Haversack @6:50

for sure. I just never played that way before, its fantastic Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:51pm
coelacanth∅: off to work.
Thanks y'all! very interesting, despite my ignorance to most things videogame.

tchau

Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:52pm
Deano de los Muertos: My lasagna is bangin, incidentally   6:52pm
DanFA: Give up, kids. Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:52pm
Ken From Hyde Park: Hi, Mark and alert ones.   6:52pm
DanFA: Mark is tied up in a chair and gagged in the corner of the studio. Send help. Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:53pm
Handy Haversack: Always great to hear you guys! I am NOT a video gamer -- canNOT figure out where I'd get the time. But I am with you on the AI bubble. And always a treat. Thanks!   6:54pm
DanFA: Go watch Eddington Avatar 6:54pm
Rolando: Thanks Brendan Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:54pm
erik: The Predictive GenAI is also telling the executives what they want to hear. Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:54pm
Deano de los Muertos: Thanks Stu and Sara!! Always love to hear you guys   6:55pm
Sasha: Buying Bredan's game now...

https://store.steampowered.com/app/1625830/Brendan_Keoghs_Putting_Challenge/

Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:56pm
Deano de los Muertos: Nice reading of the mantra Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:56pm
chresti: Thanks! Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:58pm
erik: I think it is very much playing an interactive game, you tell it what you want, it tells you what you want Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:59pm
erik: it's just there is no challenge, no boss battles, no leveling up to be done.   7:01pm
Erik in VT:

↳ Song: "New Dark Age" by "The Sound"

Oh Hell Yas! = this album & their 1st were so “fun” to wallow with during early l adolescence! - perhaps secondary to the greats that were Joy Division & Comsat Angels … still good enough! Note to self: find reissues of these early The Sound albums! Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 7:03pm
Sara Clemens: Thanks for tuning in, everybody! See you next time. :) Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 7:05pm
Stu Horvath: Thank you everybody!