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Techtonic with Mark Hurst | WFMU

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What's eating Google?: Techtonic with Mark Hurst
2024-05-21 · via Techtonic with Mark Hurst | WFMU

Listener comments!

Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 5:55pm
: Mark! Techtoogieoogiemen!
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:01pm
chresti: Hi Mark and technoodles!
  6:01pm
David (in London): Evening Mark and all Technoids.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:01pm
Mike From Brooklyn: Hello Techtonites
  6:01pm
Listener Robert: Opening theme sounds like a different version this time.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:02pm
PaulRobeson1924: Hello, this is Larry
  6:02pm
Listener Robert: Maybe you just played an earlier passage from where you usually start.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:02pm
newton: Markum and Techtonum
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:03pm
Deano de los Muertos: locked in 🔒
  6:04pm
Hugo (NL): Here we go
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:05pm
Bas NL: Hi Mark! Hi all!
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:06pm
Will thee SG OCNY: Good evening Mark Hurst and all!!!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:07pm
The Butterman: IO? e,I,e,I,o.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:08pm
DjLorraine: Evening
  6:09pm
Dean: Google's "Don't be evil" emanates a whiff of Nixon's "I am not a crook." Many of us even then knew they were not all that.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:09pm
chresti: In the broom closet
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:10pm
Handy Haversack: Hey, Mark and all. With you until company shows up over here.

I try to point out as often as possible how BAD Google products have become, and it always kind of shocks people -- if they'll even admit the terms of the debate.

  6:11pm
Sam: They should keep “Don’t be evil” and just put a circle around it with a line through it.
  6:12pm
Rolando: Greetings all , listening while cycling, thanks for this show Mark.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:12pm
chresti: Can we sue google for lying?
  6:13pm
Dean: You can't spell Metallica without AI.

"Am I evil?
Yes I am
Am I evil?
I am man
Yes I am"

  6:13pm
Dean: Google was first about relevance, and they never hit the target. Hence, the "right to be forgotten."
Avatar 🤖 6:14pm
herb.nyc: Cool, mark ripped into lazy journalism, as newspapers simply rehash tech company press releases. Grr.

Mark sez “AI everywhere”. Here’s the text from a full page ad in nytimes (I accidentally learned you can copy the text in a photo and paste it. I was surprised. I’m very naive)

SAMSUNG
Welcome to BESPOKE Al

Do less. Live more.
Wash and dry all in one machine at the largest capacity and fastest cycle time*.

Bespoke Al Laundry Combo™
*Among W/D Combo with heat pump dryers, based on a 10 LB. DOE load.

  6:15pm
Dean: Fruit?

"Num, num, num!"

  6:15pm
Sam: Well yeah, you want fruits that end in um so it takes fruits and puts um at the end. Why would it know that’s not what you meant?
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:16pm
The Butterman: We are weevils
We are evil
We’ve been here since time primeval
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:16pm
Mike From Brooklyn: Don’t.
Be evil
Avatar 6:17pm
mespr: .Don't be evil is a class action lawsuit lawsuit in slow motion.
I was there, at google IO when Sergei parachuted int with Glass. I was a glasshole. Honestly liked it. Because I could code iit.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:17pm
ultradamno: Isn't that what Bing got into trouble for doing to Google?
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:17pm
Webhamster Henry: What they want is to show you a summary (that of course could be manipulated intentionally or malevolently) again to keep you out of actual answers (unless they of course too, are generated from whole cloth)
Avatar 6:18pm
MarciB: All I know is that, as a solopreneur, visits to my website have nosedived over the last year. Sure you can find me using specific keywords - but it sucks for small businesses. I've heard it from so many others. And what am I told to do? "Create better content so Google likes you". Thank goodness I get referrals from other professionals. And F you, Google!
  6:18pm
Dean: "Ahi cos..." and so forth prompts a conversation with Gary Sullivan, father of Flarf.
  6:19pm
Sam: I try to use Lycos but it doesn’t seem to work anymore
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:19pm
newton: google results are just digital frass
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:20pm
newton:

↳ newton @6:19

I mean malevolent digital frass
  6:20pm
mr 6: Googles AI as the search engine has become the modern day Encyclopedia Britannica.It actually creates unverified information. It actually responded to African Countries that start with a K “No results found”
Avatar 6:20pm
mespr: How do know that a response here has been read before commented?
  6:21pm
Sam: Won’t Google eventually lose customers if their results are no good? I don’t get their angle.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:21pm
Webhamster Henry: ChatGPT: Here are some fruits that end with the suffix "um":

Durum
Larum
Please note that some of these might not be well-known fruits or could be local names for certain types of fruits. If you have any specific context or additional information, it would help refine the list.

  6:22pm
?: I try not to use goog. I use Duck Duck Go. This is good to know. Thanks, Mark. I hope goog. goes up in flames
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:22pm
Webhamster Henry: So: CHATGPT FTW.
Avatar 6:23pm
MarciB:

↳ Sam @6:21

It's mystifying. They've drunk their own kool-aid.
  6:23pm
Marie in Chicago:

↳ @6:22

I AM ? !
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:24pm
Webhamster Henry: Google Graveyard:

killedbygoogle.com

Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:24pm
ultradamno: AI AI...oh.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:24pm
newton: OI OI OI!!!
  6:24pm
Dean: Again, Google has never excelled at relevance. They have substituted blunt proxies for relevance. It has always been a huge shortcoming.

I would have prompted, "Give a list of names of fruit that end with the letters UM."

"Fruits that end in UM" makes no sense to my real, albeit deficient, intelligence.

Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:25pm
Bas NL: Buzzword?
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:25pm
chris in the redwoods: i wonder if ‘google it’ will take on a new meaning, as in, ‘i googled it' (i just effed it all up)?
  6:25pm
cyrusblazeit420: Lmfao
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:25pm
Handy Haversack:

↳ Sam @6:21

They are betting that their users aren't educated enough in what their results OUGHT to be -- and also on their ability to bully all the third-party businesses that use Google as their only search portal.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:26pm
newton:

↳ Dean @6:24

at least they didn't say RuPaulum
  6:26pm
Dean: Free ChatGPT response to my advised query:

Sure, here are some fruits that end with the letters "um":

1. Plum
2. Persimmon

Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:26pm
The Butterman: Watermelum
Avatar 6:27pm
HyperDose: Love when Mark gets all fired up in the heat of passion!
  6:28pm
morphe': Scary stuff:

sent a box of bike bits from Ireland [an Post] to Spain .... did all the paperwork ... got a phone text on my Spanish phone saying "more personal info was needed." The text had the official Spanish post logo, but the email address was "@#$%^& .ru" ????
Not completely paranoid but that seems damn suspicious... Waiting to see if the box arrives???..

Thanks Mark and all !!!

Taking no action and seein

Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:28pm
ultradamno: Seems to me the only advantage they've had, as a search engine, for awhile has been search by image. And even that's garbage now.
  6:28pm
Barbie: I used to use Startpage search engine but they now partner with Microsoft…..
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:29pm
PaulRobeson1924: Smart Toilet… Here we come

Google AI will be able to scan the public’s movements for health and wellness reasons

  6:29pm
Listener Alice in Fanwood: I can't stop saying bananum now.
  6:30pm
Dean: I would be astonished if there were ever a time in recent history when Google were not party to multiple lawsuits.
  6:30pm
Sam:

↳ Handy Haversack @6:25

Yeah I guess they’re close enough to a monopoly to be able to let their quality decline. Like when a once good pizza chain starts using cheap cheese because they have such a stranglehold on the market.
  6:30pm
mr 6: 6:25 Handy The majority of users are not educated so they are correct
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:31pm
ultradamno: Bananum sounds like an all purpose fruit product in Panem
  6:32pm
Dean: Another free ChatGPT query: Are there names of fruits that end with the letters U and M?

The only common fruit that comes to mind ending with the letters "U" and "M" is "Plum." If you're open to more obscure or regional fruits, there might be others, but "Plum" is the most widely recognized.

Avatar 6:32pm
VantuckyEd: installed duck duck go to replace friggin chrome and google.
  6:33pm
mr 6: I pay no attention when the US government claim to go after these companies. Meta and YouTube are still in violation of everything they were charged with. Typical US Government to divert the public. Much the same line when they say they earn their foreign allies not to cross the line and do nothing about it
  6:34pm
mr 6: Sorry Warn not earn foreign allies
  6:35pm
Sam: I just typed “ fruits that end in um” into Google and got “plum”.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:35pm
ultradamno: You'd think it would have come off with Organum before Cow
  6:36pm
Dean: I also distrust this government (not least because we the confused people are the government), but I am not too skeptical about Lina Khan. I think she might kick corporate ass, but she's not DOJ, so this is irrelevant to Mark's subject cases.
  6:37pm
Marie in Chicago: That is sad and pathetic
  6:38pm
Barbie: Is DuckDuckGo still privately held?
  6:38pm
Sam: YouTube censors tons and tons of stuff that’s less controversial than that.
  6:39pm
Marie in Chicago: The fact that YT (Google) would do that proves it is not an honest, ethical actor
  6:39pm
Rolando: This show is like an old diesel engine, it starts of slow, cold and smokey and then warms up and then thunders forward like a run away steam engine, while man and nature flee from it path. Keep it up! the Archives are still so true and valid, I enjoy it all.
  6:39pm
Marie in Chicago: I'd day 99% of the ads I get on YT are from shysters selling total crap
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:41pm
PaulRobeson1924: Power answers only to power
  6:41pm
Dean: Exactly. Google's "It's very difficult..." lament is proof that the service has no concept of relevance. But taking down all/most instances of an identified song is easy for anybody!
  6:41pm
Marie in Chicago: You'd think the US government might have something to say about YT being allied with China...
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:41pm
The Butterman:

↳ PaulRobeson1924 @6:41

AI enabled oatmeal. The future!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:42pm
PaulRobeson1924:

↳ The Butterman @6:41

8/10 toilets are a hole in the ground in China!
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:42pm
newton:

↳ Marie in Chicago @6:41

or soon, if not already, the us govt will be doing the same as china
  6:42pm
Dean: "Take down all second-rate fucking anthems, please."
  6:42pm
Marie in Chicago:

↳ Dean @6:42

lol
  6:42pm
Dean: So, PaulRobeson1924, 2/10 are asses?
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:42pm
PaulRobeson1924: And look at us! With our fancy smart phones and terlits. Telling us whats what and what not
  6:43pm
Sam: Aw man Mark you shouldn’t have played that, now China is going to stop donating to WFMU!
  6:44pm
Marie in Chicago:

↳ newton @6:42

I dunno about that,
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:44pm
PaulRobeson1924:

↳ The Butterman @6:41

It practically Cooks itself!
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:44pm
mackeral:

↳ Dean @6:42

orchestral hand cymbals? delete
  6:44pm
Dean: Mark: C'mon! Eliminate all "horrible" videos is an entirely different demand from Eliminate this song.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:45pm
The Butterman:

↳ PaulRobeson1924 @6:42

My brother went to china to speak at a university about free speech ( yeah, right) and managed to get poo on his suit because of the hole toilet, right before his speech! Hilarious. Poor bastard!
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:45pm
mackeral: "agent", "assistant", they work for you! You're so dreamy!
  6:46pm
Dean: Is Deep Mind Deep Throat adjacent?

Har, har, har! A porn joke that uses the adjective "adjacent." I have done my work for the day.

Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:46pm
PaulRobeson1924:

↳ The Butterman @6:45

A first rate Education!
  6:47pm
Marie in Chicago: I met someone at a storage facility (unfortunately my stuff is still there while I look for a condo) and they're always hiking thier rates. He believes companies are pushing things more and more because they are afraid thier ability to do so will be ending at some point relatively soon.
  6:48pm
Marie in Chicago: My mac allows tracking by advertisers that I cannot stop
  6:48pm
Sam: Retrace your steps
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:48pm
PaulRobeson1924: I went for a jog once and lost my keys. Only happened once
  6:48pm
Sam: Hey Siri, where did I put those weapons of mass destruction?
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:48pm
ultradamno: OpenAI pulls AI voice that was compared to Scarlett Johansson in the movie 'Her' www.wuft.org...

Johansson's statement bsky.app...

  6:48pm
JJ NY-SC: Of course if they were in a draw, AI wouldn't be able to find them.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:48pm
PaulRobeson1924:

↳ PaulRobeson1924 @6:48

I’d of given nearly anything to get em back
  6:49pm
JJ NY-SC: draw === drawer
  6:49pm
Dean: I put my glasses up my ass, asked Google to find them, and got a free colonoscopy!
  6:49pm
Marie in Chicago: Hey Siri, shove it
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:49pm
chris in the redwoods: saw a thing in the SF Chronicle recently that Sam Altman was complaing that he can’t eat in public anymore because everywhere he goes, he’s recognized. to which i thought, ‘awwwwww...'
  6:50pm
Sam:

↳ Dean @6:49

Hey-oh!!
  6:50pm
Marie in Chicago: AI, shmay eye
  6:51pm
Dean: (Why are "glasses" a "them"? I get "pair of trousers," but glasses?)
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:51pm
newton:

↳ Dean @6:51

2 monocles
  6:52pm
Dean: You are way too forgiving of Google, Mark. They were sour about two days after the founding.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:52pm
ultradamno: I get glasses more than trousers
  6:53pm
Dean: But we refer to a "pair" of trousers, hence, two. This shit keeps me up at night.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:54pm
ultradamno: But a separate piece of glass for each eye...if it were pair of frames, then...
  6:54pm
Marie in Chicago: AI summary of commencement speeches--just give me the cliff notes
  6:55pm
Dean: Two weekends ago I attended a commencement speech at Creighton in Omaha. It was super. Nicholas Kristof from the LAT, not at all trite.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:55pm
PaulRobeson1924: Who are the stake holders @google? Can’t be more than 20 or 30,000 people
Making millions off investments in google? Maybe, if we write them a strong letter we can convince them American values are worth promoting going forward
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:55pm
ultradamno: Very inspirational with all her life experience to share since her construction
  6:55pm
Tom from Stirling: D'Youville Univ. reminds me of YouTube.
  6:55pm
Marie in Chicago:

↳ Dean @6:53

2 cloth tubes for 2 legs..... ? ?
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:56pm
Handy Haversack: Just to say that everything Mark says about Google -- everything Google is -- is a distillation of the logic of capitalism. Growth at any cost *is* capitalism. Google and the other Big Tech companies represent its current most rampant instantiation, but they are also still a symptom. They are following the playbook of Big Oil, of Big Everything, and Getting Off Google, as great as it is, has necessary corollaries in getting off everything else as well -- in striking out at a system we never agreed to, that uses us as so much chum and waste, and that hates human life for profit. Google, yes, get off it. And then the rest.

Many thanks, Mark! Necessary and great stuff.

  6:56pm
Sam: Culture and intelligence have degraded so much and tech has gotten so advanced that we can’t tell the difference.
  6:56pm
Marie in Chicago: It's actually so dumb
  6:56pm
Dean: I guess, Marie, but "two cloth tubes" is a phrase I need to ponder.
  6:56pm
?:

↳ Dean @6:53

"garment for men, covering the lower body and each leg separately," 1610s, earlier trouzes (1580s), extended from trouse (1570s), with plural ending typical of things in pairs, from Gaelic or Middle Irish triubhas "close-fitting shorts," of uncertain origin. Early recorded use of the word indicates the garment was regarded as Celtic: "A jellous wife was like an Irish trouze, alwayes close to a mans tayle" [1630]. The unexplained, unetymological second -r- is perhaps by influence of drawers or other words in pairs ending in -ers.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:56pm
The Butterman: Toilet paper tubes for legs. You can make anything with them.
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PaulRobeson1924:

↳ Sam @6:56

Neil Postman wrote… STUFF
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ultradamno: Leg tubes static01.nyt.com...
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newton:

↳ Handy Haversack @6:56

+1
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joe_rosevear: AI output may be extruded and it may be dystopian, but I do not think it is nonsense.
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Marie in Chicago:

↳ Dean @6:56

mm, mm hm. It's like total cloth tubage, or, shall I say, 2bage....
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listener 126464: Thank you, Mark!
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dale: at a car show yesterday someone had the tesla truck on the field. it was mobbed with onlookers.
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newton: 2 leg tubes and a codpiece
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chris in the redwoods:

↳ Handy Haversack @6:56

thanks, Handy! great reminder.
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morphe': Thanks MH and all ..
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Bas NL: Thaannk yyouu MaAArkkk!
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Dean: That Tesla truck reminds me of VW's Thing.
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Rolando: Thank you.
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chris in the redwoods: thanks, Mark!
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The Butterman: Terrific, Mark.
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Sam: Merci Mark!
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newton: Thanks Markum!
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Ken From Hyde Park: Good show tonight, Mark. Thankum very much!
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Marie in Chicago:

↳ newton @6:58

yeah!
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ultradamno:

↳ Dean @6:58

The Thing is cool and won't kill you. Cybertruck is The Homer...but will kill you
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Dean: No more Hall & Oates.
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PaulRobeson1924: Tell me
How high Mr.Mark. I’ll do it
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joe_rosevear: Thanks, Mark. Great show!
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Dean: All cars kill.
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Marie in Chicago:

↳ Song: "I Won't Google That" by "Hurst & Ottsc"

love this
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chresti: Thanks Marl!
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ultradamno: If Rick Astley had a dime for every rickroll
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Mark Hurst: Thanks, everyone!
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Tom from Stirling:

↳ Song: "I Won't Google That" by "Hurst & Ottsc"

When the world is running down, make the best of whats still around....
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ultradamno:

↳ Dean @7:00

Not like that.
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chresti:

↳ chresti @7:00

Thanks Mark!
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Marie in Chicago:

↳ ultradamno @6:57

That is like so tubular!