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6:01pm
newton:
Game Boy Tune always makes me happy. Can't stay, have Zoom shortly, will catch archive. Eat up everyone!!
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6:02pm
Ike:
As always, thanks again to Techtonic for turning me on to Internet & Technology Addicts Anonymous last summer.
Having trouble w/social media, smartphones, streaming video or audio content, games, news, pornography, dating apps, online research, online shopping, etc.?
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6:10pm
chris in the redwoods:
omg, the food of Northern Italy... and the wine... and the people... and, well, nearly everything! <3
6:11pm
Dean:
A historito of the Dorito?
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6:11pm
herb.nyc:
Hey. Food- we can all relate. As in the descendents song “I like food”. Anyway, I eat alotta frozen trader joe meals. Is that ultra processed?
Doritos? I dont eat them, but could easily be addicted
6:11pm
morphe':
was about to run errands and then heard the theme tune ...
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6:13pm
Folsom:
Just for fun send the audio file questions in RealAudio format.
6:13pm
Al Garve:
I loved Doritos from the 90s.
The Doritos of the 21st Century are barely edible.
Red Fingers Rule!!!
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6:15pm
Dano59:
there was this guy, re: the Dorito effect : the upshot of *every single* paper he put out was "given a bigger bag of chips / a bigger bowl of peanuts, people will eat more chips/nuts" ... it became a running joke at our news meetings www.npr.org...
too late to develop and market Pride Pringles for this year. Maybe in '25
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6:23pm
ultradamno:
Speaking of fast food, there's a documentary on the Speedway Burger Chef murders (it was certainly for those kid's health) www.msn.com...
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6:23pm
dale:
remember jay leno pitching doritos in his blazer with the sleeves pushed up?
6:24pm
Marie in Chicago:
I think the food industry must know their foods trigger overeating and obesity. Like they're designed to stimulate cravings and nonstop eating, right. i have found that the first dorito is the best tasting, most flavorful dorito. Crack is supposed to be like that--nothing equals that first high...
6:29pm
morphe':
"Morgan Spurlock, a documentary filmmaker who captured his own psychological and physical symptoms from eating McDonald’s every day for a month in the Oscar-nominated 2004 feature “Super Size Me,” died Thursday in upstate New York due to complications of cancer. He was 53...."
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6:34pm
Dano59:
I have the hardest time tryiing to like any of the Japanese junk food I see for sale at FYE. Except for a couple of flavored Oreo variants. It's a cultural divide I cannot cross. www.youtube.com...
6:34pm
Marie in Chicago:
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newton @6:20
I had wonderful pizza in Palermo (and in a small town in the French alps right by Italy called Digne)
Tried to convince my boyfriend and a friend in our group chat to get off Prime today. I definitely did not succeed but I'm going to keep working on it! It can be so hard to imagine life beyond Amazon. Thanks for opening my mind, Mark!
I love Siena! I stayed on an old olive orchard outside of town for two weeks. I would run into Siena to contemplate the paintings at the pinacotheca for hours at a time, THEN go to Florence the next day to make a contrast and compare at the Uffizi.
They HATED each other back in the day. Warring gangs who would do battle with paint brushes!
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6:36pm
tim:
I’m confused about calories being the appeal of food consumption. I’ve never thought or heard anyone say “I really liked that because of the calories.”
Keep fighting the good fight! Eventually (we can hope) they'll come around...
6:36pm
Marie in Chicago:
Imagine if they could mask poison as something tasty... they are doing all kinds of funky research at these food conglomerates
6:37pm
Dean:
@tim: I think he's talking about the brain liking calories and being confused when indicia of calories are misleading, as in the experiment.
Howe came to do a small show in Ithaca and did a monologue with piano about the European tour he'd just finished, and a few US sidetrips that week including a visit to Nick Hill.
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6:45pm
Dano59:
My nutritionist told me about "Just Turkey" - no additives, no salt even. It means I have to go to Wegmans though ... horrors.
6:45pm
Marie in Chicago:
My dad was a farmer in Ireland and one time we went to a zoo and he wanted to talk to someone in charge to tell them they weren't;t giving enough room to the cows
6:45pm
Sam:
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paddy in matawan @6:44
And then the people eating them complain that they taste bland.
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6:45pm
dale:
humanely killed chickens are smothered with a foam until they suffocate. not humane at all, but they claim it doesn't stress them out.
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6:45pm
ultradamno:
Well, we're socialized to think people who want better food as being too big for their britches
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6:46pm
gauche knee:
As a vegan who enjoys the multitude of options I couldn’t dream of as a teen, I’d like to hear something critical on the heavily VC backed fake meat industry. I don’t trust it when multi-millionaires back things so quickly.
6:46pm
tonyb:
Ruffles “All Dressed” were a fad for a minute. Now off-market?
horrible for everyone -- the animals, the humans who live in the areas, the environments
6:47pm
Marie in Chicago:
For a lot of people, ignorance is bliss. A friend of mine said, re" spending more on organic food that you can pay now or later. But I know a lot of people can't afford organic food. It's so wrong how our food system has become
6:47pm
Sam:
The only remotely ethical option is to be vegetarian. Nothing justifies mistreating animals and killing them at 7 weeks.
I've avoided Impossible thus far under my new dietary restrictions, but I have returned to Morningstar Farms for the occasional breakfast. Owned by another agribiz no doubt.
6:48pm
Fox:
I’m a person on food stamps, and Ive got Lyme Disease. Most of my credit card debt at this point is from buying quality food. Cans with BPA or anything with artificial or even natural flavor make me break out in hives.
6:50pm
MarciB:
We shop at farmers markets here in NYC and order from Farm to People. As a kid I loved being with my Italian grandparents who shopped at butchers and farms when I was growing up. Grandma canned her own peaches and pears which I loved more than anything!
6:51pm
Sam:
I am really hoping for widespread lab-grown meat, which is just as healthy and molecularly the same as real meat, with no anti-biotics or steroids and no animal that has to lay down its life.
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6:51pm
Franco Twinkie:
There is one supermarket in Italy - Co-op. I shopped there while staying in the orchard.
6:51pm
Marie in Chicago:
There was always good beer in Europe and elsewhere
6:52pm
Listener Robert:
I think many Americans are like me. I'll buy the high end food, but only as the main thing I want to taste. The other ingredients I'll buy the cheapest because I don't think I'll notice in the final dish.
So I like fancy breads if I'm eating them plain, like pumpernickel bagels, but if I'm making sandwiches I'll go for the cheapest bread. I like the fancy beers at a brew pub around here, but if I want to drink beer as part of a meal, I buy the dheap stuff. A bartender at a wedding reception asked if I had a preference for the rum in my rum & Coke, and I told him once it's mixed with the Coke I can't taste the difference, so use the cheapest even though the top shelf stuff is on the house.
6:52pm
Marie in Chicago:
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Sam @6:51
me too. Leave the cows (and chickens and pigs) ALONE!
"Organic" is just a USDA/legal term at this point. For the real deal, go to Greenmarkets (cf. comment above) which take SNAP cards
6:52pm
MarciB:
The few times I've been in France I was blown away by the small food shops thru Paris - the quality was clearly superior to ours. Next stop: Italy!
I’m ok with cans. That’s a solid process of preservation. But plastic lining?!? Plastics leeching into the food? Hexane being used to make most non-organic oils?!?! Fuck no.
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6:52pm
tim:
Good point about beer improving but it seems like craft beer is heading in the Doritos direction. It seems like so many beers and liquors now have flavors.
you’re right about almonds! When it comes to plant based milks, almond is worst for planet but if dairy milk vs almond milk…dairy is more damaging environmental effects.
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6:53pm
Jeff Moore:
Thanks, @Mark! This was a good topic to get into.
6:53pm
Marie in Chicago:
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Hunterian @6:52
not true re: that label being false
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6:53pm
Dano59:
our local mall has a farm-to-table eatery with exquisite food. Not expensive either.
I made a pasta fagioli from 100% beef bone broth yesterday. The kettle and fire stuff. $12 /64 oz. I realize thats a ridiculous amount of money comparatively but its ultra nutritious with like good ingredients. Marrow Bones From Pasture-Raised, 100% Grass-Fed & Finished Cattle, Onions, organic carrots, organic celery, organic parsley, sea salt, black peppercorn, bay leaf, thyme, rosemary extract, apple cider vinegar.
Oh, I know it. But there’s not a lot at the ones near me, and expense is high, even with the SNAP discount.
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6:54pm
Franco Twinkie:
Chresti and I dress like tramps, but we eat like rich people.
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6:54pm
Dano59:
I hit up a meat market on the way back from the doctor's office in Canandaigua - got salmon, Cajun chicken sausage and meatballs.
6:55pm
Sam:
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MarciB @6:52
For whatever reason most Europeans just won’t put up with bad food. It’s just non-negotiable. Makes sense, I’m not sure why we AREN’T like that. Maybe our frontier heritage where they had to eat whatever they found. Whereas France and Italy have had quality food for centuries.
I am a homebrewer and beer lover. I am so angry at what the breweries are doing fir fruit puree, lactose, and extracts. I am currently drinking a Japanese rice lager.
True dat. I go to GAP Greenmarket, and only two vendors are organic. The rest are bullshit, and it's definitely not cheap, but at some point cheap = chemically assisted
Well you know...freedumb and all that I guess. And if you like good food, you're a coastal elite and vilified. It's really weird - everyone deserves good, nutrient-dense food at a reasonable price.
6:57pm
Marie in Chicago:
like "chocolate flavor"
6:57pm
Fox:
I follow an instagram carbonCowboys that talks about changing cattle grazing practices that actually assist biodiversity. It’s fascinating
I hear you. I try to make from scratch & using whole foods but I’m ok with some frozen fakes on occasion. Not trying to be a purist personally but if you can do it, I respect that!
6:57pm
Sam:
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Dano59 @6:56
Yeah, it’s the same reason we drive to chain stores in shitty strip malls instead of supporting local shops downtown.
Don't get me wrong: I'm just saying it means something very specific, & most certainly doesn't exclude "natural" pesticides, and in the end the easiest way to decide is to meet the producer personally. I fully realize not everyone can do that, and certainly consider myself lucky in that regard.
hm, I must say, I do not know about these "natural pesticides".... I do know that research has shown that foods labelled organic are shown to have significantly less pesticide and mostly none. I've read that the produce industry would have one believe there is no distinction between organic and nonorganic...
I'm not disagreeing with any of that. I'm just saying that companies like Earthbound and Olivia's are definitely big business at this point, and among other things, there's a nutritional tax you pay for transport from the other side of the country.
Listener comments!
: Mark! Techtoodies!
chresti: Hi Mark and techtonicians!
joe_rosevear: Howdy, all!
David (in London): Evening Mark and all Technoids.
chris in the redwoods: hi, Mark and everyone.
Deb from California: Hi Everyone.
newton: Game Boy Tune always makes me happy. Can't stay, have Zoom shortly, will catch archive. Eat up everyone!!
Ike: As always, thanks again to Techtonic for turning me on to Internet & Technology Addicts Anonymous last summer.
Having trouble w/social media, smartphones, streaming video or audio content, games, news, pornography, dating apps, online research, online shopping, etc.?
internetaddictsanonymous.org
tim: Hey Mark and everyone!
Bas NL: Hi Mark! All plugged in!
Bob Barth: Howdy Mark! Todays challenge: no bad news aaaand... go!
paddy in matawan: Paulie's robot from Rocky IV.
Dano59: there's a pretty great poster image of all the great robots from pop culture -- you know, for reference
Listener Robert: Was "STUPID ROBOT" the original wording in that balloon?
ultradamno: There's also an E-mail Mark link at the bottom of the playlist there
tim:
↳ Listener Robert @6:07
I don’t know but that guy’s thoughts are mine exactly.DjLorraine: Evening Mark and listeners
ultradamno: I stick by my first answer 31.media.tumblr.com...
chris in the redwoods: omg, the food of Northern Italy... and the wine... and the people... and, well, nearly everything! <3
Dean: A historito of the Dorito?
herb.nyc: Hey. Food- we can all relate. As in the descendents song “I like food”. Anyway, I eat alotta frozen trader joe meals. Is that ultra processed?
Doritos? I dont eat them, but could easily be addicted
morphe': was about to run errands and then heard the theme tune ...
Folsom: Just for fun send the audio file questions in RealAudio format.
Al Garve: I loved Doritos from the 90s.
The Doritos of the 21st Century are barely edible.
Red Fingers Rule!!!
Spikey BXL: Breaking out the cool ranch
Franco Twinkie:
↳ chris in the redwoods @6:10
Oh yes! The ONLY place I would consider giving it all up for is Northern Italy. Even stopping for pizza on the Auto Strada is amazing.Mark Hurst:
↳ Dano59 @6:05
That image of pop-culture robots is at the top of the playlist page (from April 22, 2024) here - www.wfmu.org...joe_rosevear: Mmm. Snack bars!
Dano59: there was this guy, re: the Dorito effect : the upshot of *every single* paper he put out was "given a bigger bag of chips / a bigger bowl of peanuts, people will eat more chips/nuts" ... it became a running joke at our news meetings
www.npr.org...
chris in the redwoods:
↳ Franco Twinkie @6:13
right!?Folsom:
↳ Al Garve @6:13
Taco flavored is the best.Ike: Did 91.1 FM just go off the air? (91.9 NYC seems OK.)
dale: i just saw that pringles comes in all kinds of flavors. but i'm holding out for bugles to come back.
iiibeat: RFK Jr. '24
Ike: 91.1 is back.
Snortley: Lost 91.1 for about ten seconds there.
ultradamno: I've got these jalapeno flavored black bean Sun Chips here and need more.
joe_rosevear: I try really hard to eat no foods with "enrichment" added.
Handy Haversack: Mark, Techyons.
Al Garve:
↳ dale @6:16
Bugles are worse than the band, The BugglesMark Hurst: ultra, chresti, joe_r, DiL, chris, deb, newton, ike, tim, bas, bob, paddy, dano, robert, DjL, herb, dean, morphe', folsom, al, spikey, franco, dale, iiibeat, snortley, handy - welcome! Thanks for joining.
traven:
↳ Folsom @6:15
I agree . . . however, often not so easy to find.joe_rosevear: I believe that adding vitamins and minerals only helps if you are already seriously mal-nourished.
ultradamno: I love Bugles....they don't have to compete with buggles, they're Kraftwerk pylon shaped
newton:
↳ Franco Twinkie @6:13
pizza I had in Cremona was amazingHandy Haversack: Fritos still have only three ingredients.
Dano59:
↳ Mark Hurst @6:14
the one I was thinking of: (this may have been before the advent of BB-8 and various Ex Machina-type films)robosavvy.com...
Folsom:
↳ traven @6:19
I like that they still keep the old logo with the sombrero.dale:
↳ Al Garve @6:18
but they are shaped like.....cones!Mark Hurst:
↳ Dano59 @6:21
heh - clever caption!Dano59:
↳ dale @6:16
too late to develop and market Pride Pringles for this year. Maybe in '25ultradamno: Speaking of fast food, there's a documentary on the Speedway Burger Chef murders (it was certainly for those kid's health) www.msn.com...
dale: remember jay leno pitching doritos in his blazer with the sleeves pushed up?
dale:
↳ Dano59 @6:22
tastes like lavender water.Franco Twinkie:
↳ newton @6:20
Bolongna for me. No wait, Arezzo...wait a minute, Siena.I'll stop now(no I won't!)
traven:
↳ Folsom @6:21
Yes, sort of a retro vibe there.Dano59:
↳ Handy Haversack @6:20
that's what Goldfish claim tooDean: Cyprus
Marie in Chicago: I think the food industry must know their foods trigger overeating and obesity. Like they're designed to stimulate cravings and nonstop eating, right. i have found that the first dorito is the best tasting, most flavorful dorito. Crack is supposed to be like that--nothing equals that first high...
Dano59:
↳ Franco Twinkie @6:24
Lake Como - for a week or five yearsFranco Twinkie: Why you!
Marie in Chicago:
↳ Marie in Chicago @6:24
so you keep seeking that first, best taste/highFranco Twinkie:
↳ Marie in Chicago @6:25
You wanna see the pie I made yesterday?Dano59: poll on Flamin' Hot Cheetos - I vote no way, thumbs down
Marie in Chicago:
↳ Franco Twinkie @6:26
yesDeb from California: This is SO interesting. Thanks ...
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Dean: Run a marathon and eat a sandwich?! I can't walk and chew gum at the same time.
joe_rosevear:
↳ Franco Twinkie @6:26
Sure, can you post a link to a picture?Franco Twinkie:
↳ Marie in Chicago @6:26
Just a minute...chris in the redwoods:
↳ Franco Twinkie @6:24
Siena is bonkers amazing. what a place.paddy in matawan: People are drinking beer from hot dog straws now! It's a hell of a time to be alive.
Franco Twinkie:
↳ Marie in Chicago @6:26
<<<LOOK!paddy in matawan: If you would like to watch the hot dog straw pioneer. www.instagram.com...
ultradamno:
↳ Dano59 @6:26
Up! In bag o' bones shapes! images.heb.com...morphe': "Morgan Spurlock, a documentary filmmaker who captured his own psychological and physical symptoms from eating McDonald’s every day for a month in the Oscar-nominated 2004 feature “Super Size Me,” died Thursday in upstate New York due to complications of cancer. He was 53...."
https://www.theguardian.com/film/article/2024/may/24/super-size-me-director-morgan-spurlock-dies-aged-53
paddy in matawan:
↳ morphe' @6:29
I was saddened by this. Morgan seemed like a great dude. I really enjoyed his work.ultradamno: Sushi cheetohs 2.bp.blogspot.com...
joe_rosevear:
↳ ultradamno @6:29
Ugh!Dean: My daughter, 13yo, upon alighting from a plane that landed in Las Vegas, where the airport is wall-to-wall gambling: "Already?"
Marie in Chicago:
↳ Franco Twinkie @6:29
That looks amazing. It's almost glowing. It's like food porn. It actually looks like such a good pie. Do you make your own crust?ultradamno:
↳ paddy in matawan @6:31
Great at sexual harassmentjoe_rosevear:
↳ Franco Twinkie @6:29
Looks good!paddy in matawan:
↳ ultradamno @6:32
aww I forgot he was cancelled.disco_nap_: Swoopin' in to say hi to Mark and all!
ultradamno:
↳ joe_rosevear @6:31
The best, though I usually prefer puffs to crunchyMark Hurst:
↳ disco_nap_ @6:33
Hi, @disco_nap_! Thanks for joining.Dano59: I have the hardest time tryiing to like any of the Japanese junk food I see for sale at FYE. Except for a couple of flavored Oreo variants. It's a cultural divide I cannot cross.
www.youtube.com...
Marie in Chicago:
↳ newton @6:20
I had wonderful pizza in Palermo (and in a small town in the French alps right by Italy called Digne)disco_nap_:
↳ Mark Hurst @6:33
Tried to convince my boyfriend and a friend in our group chat to get off Prime today. I definitely did not succeed but I'm going to keep working on it! It can be so hard to imagine life beyond Amazon. Thanks for opening my mind, Mark!ultradamno: That Dave Mandl guy has found a patch of garden fresh synths mastodon.social...
Franco Twinkie:
↳ chris in the redwoods @6:27
I love Siena! I stayed on an old olive orchard outside of town for two weeks. I would run into Siena to contemplate the paintings at the pinacotheca for hours at a time, THEN go to Florence the next day to make a contrast and compare at the Uffizi.They HATED each other back in the day. Warring gangs who would do battle with paint brushes!
tim: I’m confused about calories being the appeal of food consumption. I’ve never thought or heard anyone say “I really liked that because of the calories.”
Dano59:
↳ Marie in Chicago @6:34
"Don't order pizzia in Venezia" -- Howe GelbMark Hurst:
↳ disco_nap_ @6:35
Keep fighting the good fight! Eventually (we can hope) they'll come around...Marie in Chicago: Imagine if they could mask poison as something tasty... they are doing all kinds of funky research at these food conglomerates
Franco Twinkie:
↳ Dano59 @6:36
Is that a song by Giant Sand?Marie in Chicago: ....soylent green.....
Dean: @tim: I think he's talking about the brain liking calories and being confused when indicia of calories are misleading, as in the experiment.
disco_nap_:
↳ Franco Twinkie @6:36
Oo I love this conversation! I studied art history in Florence and got to go on a weekend trip to Siena as part of the program.Franco Twinkie:
↳ Marie in Chicago @6:32
That's the idea. Of course I make my own crust.tim:
↳ Dean @6:37
Ah, got it. Thank you.yippie: I once gave some chocolate chip cookies to some girls who had never left japan and they said the cookies taste very American
Marie in Chicago:
↳ Franco Twinkie @6:36
Sounds wonderful.Dano59:
↳ Franco Twinkie @6:37
Howe came to do a small show in Ithaca and did a monologue with piano about the European tour he'd just finished, and a few US sidetrips that week including a visit to Nick Hill.dale: almond farms use the most water.
Dano59:
↳ dale @6:40
i thought it was catfish farmsFranco Twinkie:
↳ disco_nap_ @6:37
Domenico Beccafumi!? Let's talk!dale: ...or pecans....but i think almonds.
Marie in Chicago: "Cellular Meat"--good band name
dale:
↳ Dano59 @6:40
well, the water doesn't get consumed...Sam: We need lab-grown meat! Leave innocent animals out of it completely!
Marie in Chicago: I have tried to move away from all use of food products that involve factory farming of animals
morphe': Animal runoff [slurry] has a terrible gallon to gallon pollution ratio when it reaches drinking water ...
Franco Twinkie:
↳ Dano59 @6:39
I met Howe outside a Mexican restaurant in Tucson.He never once mentioned pizza.
Marie in Chicago: I'm plugging my ears. I can't stand to hear this about the animals...
Dano59:
↳ Franco Twinkie @6:43
well, when in Rome ... I'd say it was just an opportune rhymepaddy in matawan: Its shocking to think of these animals being 2 month old and then death.
Fox: On the topic of food, I love this guy’s music: www.instagram.com...
Dano59: My nutritionist told me about "Just Turkey" - no additives, no salt even. It means I have to go to Wegmans though ... horrors.
Marie in Chicago: My dad was a farmer in Ireland and one time we went to a zoo and he wanted to talk to someone in charge to tell them they weren't;t giving enough room to the cows
Sam:
↳ paddy in matawan @6:44
And then the people eating them complain that they taste bland.dale: humanely killed chickens are smothered with a foam until they suffocate. not humane at all, but they claim it doesn't stress them out.
ultradamno: Well, we're socialized to think people who want better food as being too big for their britches
Dano59:
↳ Marie in Chicago @6:45
good for him! Give those cows a suitable habitat!morphe':
↳ Marie in Chicago @6:45
The general rule in Ireland is one acre per cowgauche knee: As a vegan who enjoys the multitude of options I couldn’t dream of as a teen, I’d like to hear something critical on the heavily VC backed fake meat industry. I don’t trust it when multi-millionaires back things so quickly.
tonyb: Ruffles “All Dressed” were a fad for a minute. Now off-market?
slugluv1313: all about CAFOs:
aldf.org...
horrible for everyone -- the animals, the humans who live in the areas, the environments
Marie in Chicago: For a lot of people, ignorance is bliss. A friend of mine said, re" spending more on organic food that you can pay now or later. But I know a lot of people can't afford organic food. It's so wrong how our food system has become
Sam: The only remotely ethical option is to be vegetarian. Nothing justifies mistreating animals and killing them at 7 weeks.
gauche knee:
↳ gauche knee @6:46
Hope it’s not too bad for health because incorporating plant based options can be so good for the Earth.Franco Twinkie: They sure do! Bologna is the platonic ideal of pasta.
paddy in matawan: I buy the most expensive food possible and cook from scratch.
Marie in Chicago: oh, interesting. In this case, it was the room they were giving the cows in the stalls
Dano59:
↳ gauche knee @6:46
I've avoided Impossible thus far under my new dietary restrictions, but I have returned to Morningstar Farms for the occasional breakfast. Owned by another agribiz no doubt.Fox: I’m a person on food stamps, and Ive got Lyme Disease. Most of my credit card debt at this point is from buying quality food. Cans with BPA or anything with artificial or even natural flavor make me break out in hives.
Marie in Chicago:
↳ Marie in Chicago @6:47
@morphe--6:46Franco Twinkie: AGREED!
Hunterian: Go to Greenmarkets (in NYC—otherwise, farmers' markets), get to know your farmer/food provider, everything follows from that.
Dano59:
↳ Fox @6:48
wonder if a CSA / farmer's market near you would take food stamps? some do.slugluv1313: good evening Mark, everyone!
been listening -- fascinating interview!
looking for the link to a conference on the intersections of climate and animal "industries"
Fox: I can’t understand why organic broth will have “natural chicken flavor” as a fucking ingredient.
Or why organic food will be packaged in plastic.
Dano59:
↳ slugluv1313 @6:49
it's been widely researched. Rainforest depletion for McDonald's et al.Marie in Chicago:
↳ Fox @6:48
wow, it shows you how their effects are real. Sorry to hear you have Lyme--I hope you get over it soonslugluv1313:
↳ Fox @6:49
hi Fox!!!RIGHT ON! how can something in a fucking can be "organic"?!?
chresti: It takes time to cook/
ledzeppelinsucks: Ban ranch dressing
MarciB: We shop at farmers markets here in NYC and order from Farm to People. As a kid I loved being with my Italian grandparents who shopped at butchers and farms when I was growing up. Grandma canned her own peaches and pears which I loved more than anything!
Sam: I am really hoping for widespread lab-grown meat, which is just as healthy and molecularly the same as real meat, with no anti-biotics or steroids and no animal that has to lay down its life.
Franco Twinkie: There is one supermarket in Italy - Co-op. I shopped there while staying in the orchard.
Marie in Chicago: There was always good beer in Europe and elsewhere
Listener Robert: I think many Americans are like me. I'll buy the high end food, but only as the main thing I want to taste. The other ingredients I'll buy the cheapest because I don't think I'll notice in the final dish.
So I like fancy breads if I'm eating them plain, like pumpernickel bagels, but if I'm making sandwiches I'll go for the cheapest bread. I like the fancy beers at a brew pub around here, but if I want to drink beer as part of a meal, I buy the dheap stuff. A bartender at a wedding reception asked if I had a preference for the rum in my rum & Coke, and I told him once it's mixed with the Coke I can't taste the difference, so use the cheapest even though the top shelf stuff is on the house.
Marie in Chicago:
↳ Sam @6:51
me too. Leave the cows (and chickens and pigs) ALONE!slugluv1313: Animal Welfare and Climate Change:
wwws.law.northwestern.edu...
i know it was recorded, but cannot find the link yet :(
chris in the redwoods: wow. great interview. thanks, Marks.
Hunterian:
↳ Fox @6:49
"Organic" is just a USDA/legal term at this point. For the real deal, go to Greenmarkets (cf. comment above) which take SNAP cardsMarciB: The few times I've been in France I was blown away by the small food shops thru Paris - the quality was clearly superior to ours. Next stop: Italy!
Fox:
↳ slugluv1313 @6:50
I’m ok with cans. That’s a solid process of preservation. But plastic lining?!? Plastics leeching into the food? Hexane being used to make most non-organic oils?!?! Fuck no.tim: Good point about beer improving but it seems like craft beer is heading in the Doritos direction. It seems like so many beers and liquors now have flavors.
gauche knee:
↳ dale @6:40
you’re right about almonds! When it comes to plant based milks, almond is worst for planet but if dairy milk vs almond milk…dairy is more damaging environmental effects.Jeff Moore: Thanks, @Mark! This was a good topic to get into.
Marie in Chicago:
↳ Hunterian @6:52
not true re: that label being falseDano59: our local mall has a farm-to-table eatery with exquisite food. Not expensive either.
chresti: Fancy food all the way!
Handy Haversack: Ironically, I have been cooking through all of this. Real ingredients -- even in the fake sausage.
paddy in matawan:
↳ Fox @6:49
I made a pasta fagioli from 100% beef bone broth yesterday. The kettle and fire stuff. $12 /64 oz. I realize thats a ridiculous amount of money comparatively but its ultra nutritious with like good ingredients. Marrow Bones From Pasture-Raised, 100% Grass-Fed & Finished Cattle, Onions, organic carrots, organic celery, organic parsley, sea salt, black peppercorn, bay leaf, thyme, rosemary extract, apple cider vinegar.ultradamno: coyotepr.uk...
dale:
↳ gauche knee @6:52
yes - almonds don't pass methane gas.Fox:
↳ Hunterian @6:52
Oh, I know it. But there’s not a lot at the ones near me, and expense is high, even with the SNAP discount.Franco Twinkie: Chresti and I dress like tramps, but we eat like rich people.
Dano59: I hit up a meat market on the way back from the doctor's office in Canandaigua - got salmon, Cajun chicken sausage and meatballs.
Sam:
↳ MarciB @6:52
For whatever reason most Europeans just won’t put up with bad food. It’s just non-negotiable. Makes sense, I’m not sure why we AREN’T like that. Maybe our frontier heritage where they had to eat whatever they found. Whereas France and Italy have had quality food for centuries.Dano59: (supporting regional farms)
chris in the redwoods:
↳ Franco Twinkie @6:54
y'all are doin' it right.chresti: Like big Tabacco?
MarciB: Big Ag is every bit as bad as Big tech
Marie in Chicago:
↳ Franco Twinkie @6:54
i love that @)paddy in matawan:
↳ tim @6:52
I am a homebrewer and beer lover. I am so angry at what the breweries are doing fir fruit puree, lactose, and extracts. I am currently drinking a Japanese rice lager.Fox:
↳ paddy in matawan @6:53
I got some of that brand as well. I am limited in FODMAPS I can eat as well, and that brand has decent options.ledzeppelinsucks: Time for a war on mayonnaise
Dano59:
↳ Sam @6:55
nah, we're just spoiled by "convenience" against all our better health interests. Disaster capitalism aided by marketing/advertising.paddy in matawan:
↳ Fox @6:55
I hope your Lyme gets better. I am very scared of that. It should eventually go away, right?Hunterian:
↳ Fox @6:54
True dat. I go to GAP Greenmarket, and only two vendors are organic. The rest are bullshit, and it's definitely not cheap, but at some point cheap = chemically assistedMarciB:
↳ Sam @6:55
Well you know...freedumb and all that I guess. And if you like good food, you're a coastal elite and vilified. It's really weird - everyone deserves good, nutrient-dense food at a reasonable price.Marie in Chicago: like "chocolate flavor"
Fox: I follow an instagram carbonCowboys that talks about changing cattle grazing practices that actually assist biodiversity. It’s fascinating
gauche knee:
↳ Dano59 @6:48
I hear you. I try to make from scratch & using whole foods but I’m ok with some frozen fakes on occasion. Not trying to be a purist personally but if you can do it, I respect that!Sam:
↳ Dano59 @6:56
Yeah, it’s the same reason we drive to chain stores in shitty strip malls instead of supporting local shops downtown.Bob Barth:
↳ Song: "Mark's comments"
brilliantDerbs: Great SNL skit!
Al Garve: I'm almost hungry
tim: Thanks, Mark!
gauche knee:
↳ Fox @6:48
Sorry to hear that, good food should be accessible for all. 🩷ledzeppelinsucks: Processed food swims in mayonnaise and ranch dressing
chresti:
↳ Song: "Mark's comments"
Thanks Mark!Sam: I like when SNL actually makes a profound point.
Listener Robert:
↳ Song: "Mark's comments"
As usual, SCTV did it better...and earlier.joe_rosevear: Mmm, Fried Brain!
morphe': Thanks Mark and all !!!
paddy in matawan: Thanks Mark. Great one!
gauche knee: Thnx mark! Great show & sketch!
Franco Twinkie: Thank you Mark.
The best - truly.
Bas NL: Thanks Mark! Thanks Mark!
ultradamno: Tik Tok IS a robot alchetron.com...
Hunterian:
↳ Marie in Chicago @6:53
Don't get me wrong: I'm just saying it means something very specific, & most certainly doesn't exclude "natural" pesticides, and in the end the easiest way to decide is to meet the producer personally. I fully realize not everyone can do that, and certainly consider myself lucky in that regard.Marie in Chicago: Thanks, Mark
joe_rosevear: Thanks, Mark!
Listener Robert: Chick-chick-chickeny...we can't call it chicken, but we can come awfully close.
Dano59: there's a great PSA on FreeSpeechTV about changing the world - and one simple way to do that is grow your own food.
Hunterian: Fantastic show, thanks Mark and Mark!
Fox:
↳ paddy in matawan @6:56
Uhhhh. I got it in grade school. It was diagnosed in my 30s. I’m now 47. So no.Mark Hurst: Thanks, everyone!
Marie in Chicago:
↳ Hunterian @6:59
hm, I must say, I do not know about these "natural pesticides".... I do know that research has shown that foods labelled organic are shown to have significantly less pesticide and mostly none. I've read that the produce industry would have one believe there is no distinction between organic and nonorganic...joe_rosevear:
↳ tim @6:36
Right! Calories are evil. They should be illegal.joe_rosevear:
↳ Sam @6:42
Mmm. Lab-grown meat.joe_rosevear:
↳ paddy in matawan @6:44
Maybe you should be a fruitarian. Only eat fruit that has fallen from the tree.Hunterian:
↳ Marie in Chicago @7:02
I'm not disagreeing with any of that. I'm just saying that companies like Earthbound and Olivia's are definitely big business at this point, and among other things, there's a nutritional tax you pay for transport from the other side of the country.