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Techtonic with Mark Hurst | WFMU

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Guest host Don Fleming: Musical Tech: Naughty or Nice?: Techtonic with Mark Hurst
2024-12-24 · via Techtonic with Mark Hurst | WFMU

Listener comments!

Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:01pm
: Hi Don Fleming and all!!!
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tim: Hi Don! Sounds like a great show!
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:02pm
Webhamster Henry: Hi! I had a reproducing piano from the 1920s for about 20+ years. It had an electric motor-driven vacuum. Here are some rolls I recorded: jhhl.net...
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DonJuanTijuana: So pumped for a Double Dose of Don!!! Lay it on us!!!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:03pm
bleubombersune: Good Evening Don and all
  6:05pm
Listener Robert: Why should the life of the author have any bearing on the term of the copyright? Why shouldn't it run from date of publication, so as to be equal for everyone?
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:05pm
Webhamster Henry: A reproducing piano not only doesn't care how close the holes are, and can play any rubato, it could (crudely) control the volume (velocity as we MIDI people say) as well.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:06pm
newton: we had a player piano, and hundreds of rolls, inherited from Granny. Dad was too cheap to have it tuned, and it was awful
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joe mulligan:

↳ Listener Robert @6:05

def seems against the favor of musicians who live fast and die young.
  6:07pm
tracy in LA: thx Don... youre bringing back some of my best memories with my grandfathers player piano
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:08pm
newton: Ah, dictaphone
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Fishman: Cool stuff
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DonJuanTijuana: My first exposure to a player piano was when my sister, who was an executive admin for some Kodak big shot who had a player piano, think realm of 1972. She was house sitting for a few weeks during the summer. To my amusement, I got to pick some rolls to listen to. Probably the root cause of my musical fascination of 🎶 & my desire to dive deeper into all forms of music.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:09pm
dale: great place. went a couple three years ago. hey now.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:13pm
Webhamster Henry: Gotta mention WFMU's own Antique Phonograph Music Program [ wfmu.org... ] and Thomas Edison's Attic [ wfmu.org...
  6:14pm
Andres: Format wars started early!
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:15pm
joe mulligan:

↳ Webhamster Henry @6:13

just got me thinking of Mac, how i he doing and is he still around?
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:16pm
Webhamster Henry:

↳ joe mulligan @6:15

MAC is still active, he does really cool cemetery tours of famous entertainers of bygone days, playing their songs near their gravesites!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:17pm
dale:

↳ joe mulligan @6:15

he's on fb with a group called 'antique phonograph enthusiasts.' he does events, and also cemetery tours of artists from that day buried in the ny area.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:17pm
dale: what he said...
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:18pm
dale: i ran into him at a 'mechanical music extravaganza' sale in wayne new jersey a couple of years ago.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:19pm
Franco Twinkie: And to think, I use to want to be in a band!
  6:24pm
Sufferwords: Put out records on Epitaph, Relativity, Capitol, Lakeshore, V2 etc.- the guy that shrink wrapped um made more than me -
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:26pm
egould:

↳ Song: "Christmas message to Thomas Edison" by "George Go...

How nice of Edison to hire an Indian gentleman as head of the sales team. Very progressive for 1888.
  6:26pm
PC77: This legal bondage system is so abusive that you'd think the musicians would have figured a way out of it after, what, 120 years?
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:27pm
Peter from Saranac Lake NY: Good evening Don and techies. Don, thanks for filling in. Fascinating segment on the record industry.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:27pm
Franco Twinkie:

↳ Sufferwords @6:24

I remember showing my portfolio to Epitaph. They passed.

Lucky me.

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Kevlicki:

↳ Peter from Saranac Lake NY @6:27

Very much in agreement, thanks Don!
  6:28pm
PC77: My mom use to play the Hawaiian steel guitar when we were little. Rest In Peace Mom
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:28pm
chresti: Now artists can sell directly to their fans?
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tim:

↳ Sufferwords @6:24

What bands were you in, Sufferwords.
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joe_rosevear: Hello (late again)!
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:31pm
tim:

↳ chresti @6:28

They always could but it's a bit easier these days to get music into fans hands without dealing with a big label.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:31pm
Peter from Saranac Lake NY:

↳ Song: "The Lap-Steel Pickup" by "Don Fleming"

No downside to giving guitars a bit of boost. Turn it up to 11!
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:31pm
Don F:

↳ chresti @6:28

Yeah Bandcamp is a big improvement to the model
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:32pm
egould: No downside at all.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:36pm
dale: always like a discussion that leads to armstrong.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:36pm
Ken From Hyde Park: Hi, Don and tech club.
  6:37pm
yippie: One of the coolest records I have is a Marconi velvet-tone record. Because most people associate Marconi with radio but I associate him with records
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:41pm
Will thee SG OCNY: No Marconi... We have Macaroni
  6:44pm
Sufferwords: Digital Millineum Act is also a good stream- made more playing Jews Harp on one song for a friend (and continue to do so) than anything else - my act often covered Radio Radio
  6:45pm
Doug C.: The Marconi Building (1914 if I remember correctly) still exists at Camp Evans , a former military camp, now the info-age museum in Wall, NJ. I tried to influence it's restoration as a consultant but they have kept it in the state of military alteration, In my opinion a less interesting and less important period.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:46pm
Mike Sin: I think pre-sound exchange and pre-satellite radio, most artists were happy enough to get airplay without payment on major radio stations because in the 70s and 80s a few crucial plays in prime markets did result in tons of records being sold. I think if artists were still able to move physical media and the numbers that they did in the past, Then sound exchange and organizations like that would not have gained such a foothold.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:49pm
newton: $395 in mahogany!!
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Dano59: I'm now musing on a James Burke 'Connections'-style chain of events ... from Jacquard's loom to the earliest card-deck pianolas (predating player pianos) in turn eventually begetting IBM punch cards revolutionizing computing, leading ultimately to the Internet. Meanwhile the MPEG group begins developing file compression formats > Brandenburg & the MP3 in 1991, which would start to kill the music industry a decade later. So: Jacquard et al. are naughty AND nice.
  6:51pm
Dan from PEI: This is one of the best radio programs I’ve ever heard. Thank you Mr. Fleming.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:51pm
Elena: It's so cool that Leon Theremin made the first rhythm machine for Henry Cowell. I thought that Theremin only invented the theremin.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:51pm
Dano59: And lest we forget: Antonio
Meucci's telephone, without which we wouldn't have 'Speeding Motorcycle' on The Music Faucet on FMU ... or 'The Grunge Lexicon'
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:52pm
The Butterman: We need Pete Seeger and his trusty hatchet! Although I’ve been told he didn’t really do that. Still, we ALWAYS need Pete Seeger. Peg and Awl, is a good anti- technology song.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:54pm
Dano59:

↳ The Butterman @6:52

I think he voiced that intent to cut the sound but he wouldn't really have done it.
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newton: but cant a drum machine be made to respond sensitively like humans through a theremin like proximity sensor?
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:55pm
egould: Drum machines. Fine good whatever. I still prefer human drummers on acoustic drums.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:56pm
newton: they should make electric sticks
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Dano59:

↳ newton @6:54

Gary Numan, when people started asking him about his 'cold' electronic sound, insisted that the Moog made the emotional impact of his music more human.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:57pm
tim: Thanks, Don! Fun show! Thanks for putting it together.
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egould:

↳ newton @6:56

Diesel powered drumsticks.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:57pm
newton: Fantastic show Don!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:58pm
egould: Thanks Don. Fun listening to your insights. You have a very nice presentation manner, as well.
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MJ Turner: Great stuff!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:58pm
The Butterman: Great concept to this show, Mr. Fleming. Thanks.
  6:58pm
Dan from PEI: Most bangin’ !
  6:58pm
Eric the Hat: Wow. Glad I caught the end of that segment. Definitely gonna visit it in the archive!
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:58pm
Dano59: Edison's still on my naughty list. Mainly because of what happened wiith Tesla.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:58pm
chresti: Thanks Don!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:59pm
Cassettivity: Loving the show!
Wow what a list of albums you've produced!
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:59pm
Elena: Thank you!
  6:59pm
Dan from PEI: ❤️
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:59pm
bleubombersune: Robert Fripp and other musicians have sued PRS over royalty fees,, somewhere Robert gives a very good breakdown (on yoUtube) how musicians get royaly stiffed by the recording industry
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:59pm
Will thee SG OCNY: Thank you Don Fleming!!!
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Dano59: Nice show Don! You've been a hero of mine since i discovered you via Half Japanese.
  6:59pm
Sufferwords: ass kickingly great job
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:59pm
bleubombersune: Don thanks for the fill in
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listener 126464: Thanks for filling in, Don. Enjoyed much.
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Adi From Sheffield: Interesting show I enjoyed that.
  7:01pm
PC77: Fascinating, enlightening show!