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Techtonic with Mark Hurst | WFMU

Evan Selinger and Albert Fox Cahn, authors, "Move Slow and Upgrade": Techtonic with Mark Hurst Dystopia update: good news edition: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Janet Vertesi, founder of the Opt Out Project: Techtonic with Mark Hurst A visit to Repair Cafe El Barrio: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Marathon week 2 w/cohost Jesse Jarnow: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Marathon week 1 w/cohost station manager Ken Freedman: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Celebrating 400 episodes of Techtonic: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Chris Gilliard on Amazon’s admission that Ring spies on us: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Peter Dear ("The World As We Know It") and how we interpret AI: Techtonic with Mark Hurst AI is spreading where it doesn't belong: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Peter Schmidt on the book "Attensity" by the Friends of Attention: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Paul Bradley Carr, author, "The Confessions": Techtonic with Mark Hurst Lora Kolodny from CNBC on Grok's sexualized images: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Ken Freedman and Mark discuss the year ahead: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Tim Wu, author, "The Age of Extraction": Techtonic with Mark Hurst The Ghost of Christmas Tech Anxieties - Sara Clemens and Stu Horvath fill in, with guest Adam Allsuch Boardman: Techtonic with Mark Hurst The first annual Creepy Awards: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Noah McCormack from The Baffler: "We used to read things in this country": Techtonic with Mark Hurst Amateur radio is a superpower: Thomas Witherspoon: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Citizens are being forced to pay for Big Tech data centers, feat. 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Handy Haversack · 2025-06-03 · via Techtonic with Mark Hurst | WFMU

Listener comments!

Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 5:54pm
: Cooking but listening. Excited for this one! Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 5:59pm
ultradamno: Mark! Techtonartists!   6:00pm
David (in London): Evening Mark and all Technoids here gathered. Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:01pm
Will thee SG OCNY: Good evening Mark Hurst and all!!! Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:01pm
Bas NL: Hi Mark! AI-aware commenters! Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:02pm
Deano de los Muertos: “Oh, hi Mark.” Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:02pm
melinda: hi friends Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:03pm
San Pedro Girl: Greetings Mark Hurst and Techtonic friends! Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:05pm
ultradamno: AI has pioneered new world in giving a runaround over the phone www.msn.com... Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:06pm
Spikey BXL: The Last Mbender

Hi Mark, luddites

  6:07pm
?: Augmented Idiocity Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:07pm
Mark Hurst: Hi Handy, ultra, DiL, WtSG, Bas, Deano, melinda, Spikey, and ? - welcome to the show! Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:08pm
PaulRobeson1925: Hi Hi Hi Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:08pm
Mark Hurst:

↳ PaulRobeson1925 @6:08

Hi PaulR Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:09pm
disco_nap_: Omg the “product everyone likes” comic 😂 Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:10pm
PaulRobeson1925: We also anthropomorphize “the Economy” and this helps to obscure what the economy is made up of. Like Ai, baby Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:10pm
Webhamster Henry: How about "A-Oy"! Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:10pm
Ken From Hyde Park: Thinking about becoming AIful? Let Mark give you an earful! Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:11pm
ultradamno: Shopping for a fan, especially among tower designs, for some reason...'smart' is all over the place. I don't even see why a fan needs a remote. Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:12pm
Webhamster Henry: I remember the old school AI that had to do with making huge dictionaries and thesauruses.   6:12pm
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↳ ultradamno @6:11

smart fans blow Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:12pm
ultradamno: On. Off. Three speeds. It's really all I'm asking for. I don't need to put a timer on it. Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:13pm
Spikey BXL: Choke on emojis Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:13pm
tim: Hi Mark, Emily and Alex, and everyone! Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:13pm
Spikey BXL:

↳ ultradamno @6:12

Are younsaying you're looking for... only fans? Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:14pm
ultradamno: Onlydumbfans. Sign me up.   6:14pm
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↳ Spikey BXL @6:13

still blow Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:14pm
ultradamno:

↳ ultradamno @6:14

Sounds like a Nathan Fielder concept Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:14pm
Mark Hurst:

↳ tim @6:13

Hi tim Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:16pm
Webhamster Henry: Stochastic Parrot: It's also kind of insulting to the late Alex The Grey Parrot. Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:18pm
chresti: AI is a nuisance Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:18pm
disco_nap_:

↳ ultradamno @6:11

💯 that shit drives me crazy Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:18pm
PaulRobeson1925:

↳ PaulRobeson1925 @6:10

The economy is not doing well.
The economy had a bad day.
The economy had a great day!
The economy has a-lot to smile about today…
The economy took a dive
The economy is out to lunch   🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:19pm
SeaCreature: Not actually listening yet but I just got off a call discussing x.AI’s new $5bn fund raise. The robot menace is coming for us all. Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:20pm
chresti: Hi Mark and techtonians! Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:21pm
Mark Hurst:

↳ chresti @6:20

welcome, chresti Avatar 6:21pm
MarciB: Well the tech overlords have a vested interest in making us cowed and surrendering in advance Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:21pm
PaulRobeson1925: Hi-frequency trading requires little
Human input- but i’m not sure what the economy wants from me!? Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:21pm
Webhamster Henry: People: AI could more credibly wipe out top and mid level management, because it's pattern matching skills far exceed those of those C-level jobs. A responsible board should replace their CEO with AI, or more cheaply hire some humans as beards for machine learning. Avatar 6:22pm
Mark T: The so called “news” is rife with “the sky is falling…”stories all day, everyday. Avatar 6:24pm
MarciB: Brian Merchant's newsletter was about how Business Insider laid off many of their writers in favor of AI Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:24pm
mackeral:

↳ MarciB @6:24

his newsletter is crucial, these days Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:25pm
Webhamster Henry: Gotta go folks, will catch the archive!   6:26pm
A2B: Evening Mark & Techtonicians!

Alex Hanna just mentioned the animation business. Coincidentally, I was going to ask if Alex has any relation to William Hanna of Hanna--Barbera fame.

Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:26pm
PaulRobeson1925: The internet is a total flop Avatar 6:27pm
Mark T:

↳ Webhamster Henry @6:10

Hahahaha. Clever Avatar 6:28pm
MarciB: This is reminding me of Scam Inc! Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:28pm
Spikey BXL: Amazon go stores
Amazon ghost whores   6:29pm
Fredericks:

↳ PaulRobeson1925 @6:18

The economy = rich people's bank accounts. Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:30pm
Mark Hurst:

↳ MarciB @6:28

Yes - some ghastly parallels - workers in the Global South exploited in service of some internet-enabled scheme... Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:32pm
PaulRobeson1925:

↳ Fredericks @6:29

But we are all participating in something larger than ourselves Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:32pm
Hugo (NL): Yay!!! Very happy with this important interview!!! Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:33pm
mackeral: automating coding is an early goal, which is necessary if the AI companies are going to break out into the lead in developing AI. superhuman coding capabilities are a pre-req. See AI 2027 ai-2027.com   6:33pm
A2B:

↳ PaulRobeson1925 @6:26

Needless to say. it's been there before. Remember what happened after the Y2K scare was "alleviated"? Avatar 6:34pm
joe_rosevear: So what then *is* thought?

This limerick comes to mind:

There was a faith healer from Deale,
Who said, although pain isn't real,
If I sit on a pin and it punctures my skin,
I dislike what I fancy I feel!

  6:35pm
Fredericks:

↳ PaulRobeson1925 @6:32

Like slaves on a plantation? Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:35pm
Mark Hurst:

↳ Hugo (NL) @6:32

Thanks, Hugo Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:35pm
ultradamno: mastodon.social...   6:36pm
Fredericks:

↳ Mark Hurst @6:35

Thank you, Mister Hurst.   6:37pm
A2B:

↳ PaulRobeson1925 @6:32

Some of us with a widely spectral coverage of caution and trepidation. Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:38pm
Hugo (NL): Wow, i just discussed this at work, As one of our gouvernement leaders is pushing ai in Dutch health care, As a way to save time to give more time between doctor and patiënt.
This is not how it will turn out. Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:38pm
PaulRobeson1925:

↳ Fredericks @6:35

Slavery was premised on naked violence.

Go along with the big tech power or loser yer livelihood…a better comparison is like poor whites working along side the slaves during harvest time. Who makes pennies while who makes hundreds and hundreds of dollars?

Avatar 6:40pm
joe_rosevear: Or another way to look at thought is suggested by Plato's Allegory of the Cave:

en.wikipedia.org...

  6:40pm
Fredericks:

↳ PaulRobeson1925 @6:38

I'll go along with that. Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:40pm
Peter from Saranac Lake NY: Hello Mark and techies. Been listening since 6P, but I was involved in preparing dinner until now. Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:41pm
Mark Hurst:

↳ Peter from Saranac Lake NY @6:40

Hi Peter - hope dinner is good! Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:42pm
mackeral: NO
thanks for that
and the "inevitability" argument is about nothing less than ceding Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:42pm
chresti: opt out! Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:43pm
Hugo (NL): Right on. Tune in and opt out Avatar 6:43pm
joe_rosevear: Maybe, just maybe, thought emerges from mechanical process: either the firing of neurons in the brain or the propagation of inputs through a computational neural net. Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:46pm
chresti: I use the duck duck go video player Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:46pm
ultradamno: MSTK3000 never AI free i.ytimg.com...   6:46pm
Fredericks:

↳ chresti @6:46

For what? Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:47pm
Folsom: one of the youtube creators that I follow posts his stuff on nebula.tv first, I need to check it out Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:47pm
ultradamno: I'm going to guess playing video Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:47pm
disco_nap_:

↳ Mark Hurst @6:07

I tried using PeerTube once but I was really confused by it lol…I will try again today but I would love to listen to a show about it, especially one that would help a non-tech expert understand how best to use it. Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:48pm
disco_nap_:

↳ disco_nap_ @6:47

*someday not today, oops!   6:48pm
castor: Loving the show! Mark, I wonder have you ever looked into Duolingo and its problematic CEO who wants to replace teachers with AI? Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:49pm
mackeral: Mark and all, if you haven't read the Axios piece from last week on Anthropic CEO, i "recommend" it: www.axios.com... Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:50pm
ultradamno: Addison Rae Says She Used to Get Paid $20 by Record Labels to Post TikTok Videos: ‘It Was Actually Really Sketch’ www.billboard.com... Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:50pm
chresti:

↳ Fredericks @6:46

It blocks the ads   6:50pm
A2B:

↳ joe_rosevear @6:43

Since you're discussing this subject, I was pondering over how Pavlovian responses develop in the brain through instructive suggestions and experiences, and how one can "retrain" the brain by "reaccustomizing" our brain by substituting established associations with new associations. Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:51pm
Hugo (NL):

↳ castor @6:48

Duolingo is not really a success story...
pivot-to-ai.com... Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:54pm
Neil Neil the orange peel: www.theguardian.com... Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:55pm
Neil Neil the orange peel: One day I overheard my boss saying: just put it in ChatGPT’: the workers who lost their jobs to AI Avatar 6:55pm
estmcmxci: please cancel this show.   6:56pm
?: shut the f up   6:56pm
castor:

↳ Hugo (NL) @6:51

Thanks! Yeah I read an interview with him in the NYer a while ago in which he said all that stuff about replacing teachers, but I was wondering how that was going for him since then. Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:56pm
Ken From Hyde Park: Thanks, Mark and AI folks! Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:56pm
Deano de los Muertos: Thanks Mark!   6:57pm
?:

↳ estmcmxci @6:55

that was directed toward YOU Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:57pm
PaulRobeson1925: 1859. 1969. 2059. where will we be? When summers gone?   6:57pm
castor: Thanks Mark! Avatar 6:57pm
joe_rosevear:

↳ A2B @6:50

Well, that's an odd question, and one I have pondered also. We who are trapped in the framework of our thoughts, desire to step outside of our thoughts and influence the process itself. Yet it *is* possible, and happens all the time. A favorite book on my shelf is _As a Man Thinketh_ by James Allen. It is all about that subject. Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:57pm
chresti: Thanks Mark! Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:57pm
ultradamno: I think a no is all that demanded Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:58pm
Hugo (NL): Thanks mark, great show!   6:58pm
A2B: Remember folks: As long as we keep vigilant of all things inconsistent techwise, we're too big to fAIl! Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:58pm
Mark Hurst: Thanks, everyone! Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:59pm
PaulRobeson1925:

↳ castor @6:48

Neil postman writes about this! In the context of Baltimore public schools. Which book was it? Technopoly? or Building a bridge to the 18th century Avatar Swag For Life Member 7:00pm
PaulRobeson1925: Thanks, Mark! VG + of a program