Funny, march 24 nytimes has review of children book “Olivetti”, author: Allie Millington (I have an Olivetti Lettera 32; dad bought for sis circa 1968)
Not funny, same edition has review of “burn this, a tech love story” by Kara swisher. Writer Adrian Chen sez author knows the issue bec she benefited from it, and is working on a book about internet culture as well
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6:07pm
Folsom:
I recently received my copy of "Shift Happens", history of keyboards/typewriters.
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6:07pm
dale:
i have a couple three typewriters hanging around. plus must have a typewriter instructional l.p.
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6:07pm
Webhamster Henry:
I am typing in the ancestral homeland to the IBM Selectric, Kingston, NY
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6:07pm
listener james from westwood:
I managed to score a Smith-Corona portable at the town flea market like 20 years back. Came in its own suitcase, and manual, so no motor to burn out. Red and black ribbon all set for use, just like the bookmark ribbon in this book.
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6:08pm
chresti:
Hi Mark and techtonicians! I'm late because I was filing my tax return..
Mine was Mrs Siegler, 7th grade. She told us “be a good typist and I can help you get working papers”. Me-“whoa, working papers!!!”. Why did I wanna join the working class?
I recall Ellison had one anecdote about how one of these typewriters died to protect him when he was rear-ended by a truck or the like, and the typewriter became a lifesaving ersatz crumple zone.
6:09pm
Fredericks:
Tomaš Dvořák connected to Dvorak keymap inventor August Dvorak?
6:09pm
morphe':
An old friend - David Z of band V-Effect ["stop playing those songs" and others] told the story/tale that he worked as a NYC typewriter repair person for a typewriter repair company in the '70s and serviced both the CPUSA [Communist Party office on 23rd st] and the FBI ... amongst other clients ...
Yeah. It's something I need to attend to at some point. We have so little space that they never got displayed or used and succumbed to the massive entropic forces that attend our life.
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6:11pm
listener james from westwood:
Oblation Papers out in Portland, OR, has a bunch of typewriters for sale, and (at least when I visited) had two outside for passing folks to use. And Ace Typewriter in the same city likely has some to sell.
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6:13pm
Webhamster Henry:
why to use a typewriter (by me, 2005)
+ boots up instantly
+ uses recyclable paper
+ some have a correcting ribbon
- kid can huff wite-out
+ nobody will try to steal it
+ no chance of reading porn other than what he write himself
+ doesn't have to be electric
+ office supply stores still stock ribbons and carbon paper, and
might want to blow some out of their inventory.
The carriage ca-thunk most definitely happens with an electric typewriter, the
response is immediate, and it promotes stream of consciousness
writing, with the immediate gratification of hard copy, and deprecates
the obsession with "correct" spelling, as opposed to expression.
Spelling gradually shifts toward standard spelling with practice, so:
practice.
My son Ray also makes incredible pieces of art with his typewriter.
For a while, he was typing out the text of books he was reading, which was
great on so many levels: learning punctuation, positions of typewriter
keys, yes, even standard spelling - and variant spelling too.
And there's no need for passwords or dealing with ever-shifting and
confusing menus and windows.
Editing is not impossible on typewritten pages; a quick trip to the NY Main
Branch of the public library will put you in contact with their
fascinating displays of original manuscripts and typescripts of famous
books. I too enjoy the miracle of cut'n'paste and the delete key, but
for an eight year old, getting the words out in any form should take
priority. The same actually goes for aging old would-be writers like
myself.
"The perfect is the enemy of the good."
-- Voltaire
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6:13pm
Handy Haversack:
Typing poems is a great way to learn and study them.
6:19pm
morphe':
Typewrites last; ribbons??? I still have some old ribbons [black/red] somewhere ... my older son took my royal and it probably went to ebay or ??
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6:19pm
Handy Haversack:
Never cared for electrics as much as manuals. Eventually I had a Brother word processor, which was pretty good for long papers.
Mark, we have evidence of 100 percent information retention over at least 500-year timespans with paper. Which current digital medium do you think could possibly do THAT well?!
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6:20pm
listener james from westwood:
Oh, but the ribbons can be scanned visually for what's been typed, though. Some more easily than others.
I wonder if the Feds have dumped their typewriter archive; they used to have many models to compare against typescript pertinent to investigations.
Carbon-film ribbons were so easily legible, but the results were, too.
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6:23pm
Webhamster Henry:
I used my father's typewriter in college: it was 10 point instead of 12 point, so my essays were denser!
6:23pm
Peter from Saranac Lake NY:
100s of typewriters in a collection? no one shame me for having multiple guitars.
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6:23pm
Jeff Moore:
I was SO unexcited by the drudgery of using a typewriter back when that was the mainstream tool and there just were no computers in people's houses that when writing a high school paper, instead of using the typewriter in my own house I learned a mainframe document formatting language and caught rides to a data center so I could type my paper into an IBM 029 keypunch onto a deck of cards which I would then carry to a card reader and submit as a batch job then wait for a draft of my paper to come out of a line printer.
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6:24pm
Spikey BXL:
If others also want to go back to it: Touring the Torment Nexus episode is here www.wfmu.org...
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6:24pm
cosmic matrix:
took out my old hermes rocket when the power went out few weeks back...forgot how primal and real it was.
didn't have a computer at my house at first, so i used to type out programs in BASIC on a manual typewriter and enter into the school's apple IIe in the morning.
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6:25pm
swivs:
Typewriters killed the penmanship star
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6:25pm
Folsom:
What was that pen typewriter? Maybe Japanese? It was like a pen plotter with a keyboard.
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6:25pm
cosmic matrix:
love them typewriters! spread the gospel!
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6:25pm
Dano59:
i have a question ... which brand does Bob Dylan use?
6:26pm
morphe':
I started Hunter College, CUNY 1979 and hand wrote my papers as I could not afford a typewriter and had to explain as such to the Professors and then found the Royal on the Street .. salvation ... was amazing ... the small "o" put holes in the paper..
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6:26pm
Webhamster Henry:
The Underwood Typewriter factory was in Hartford CT
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6:26pm
Jeff Moore:
But then, even while not actually wanting to use a typewriter, I greatly admired the Selectric.
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6:26pm
dale:
found a 1920s corona (before smith corona?) in the street trash a couple years ago. the works were pretty rusted but got it all moving again. then it came to the return cord and spring and i gave up.
6:27pm
wenzo:
Makes me want to get a typewriter… send out some actual letters with stamps and everythaang
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6:28pm
Dano59:
I learned on an IBM Selectric in high school ca. 1975; my parents bought me a Smith-Corona electric portable in carrying case not long after. Still have it.
Yes, my ability to handwrite has completely collapsed into chaotic madness!
6:31pm
Old Dave:
I am better off scrawling with pen or pencil lately. Got over the fantasy of a machine making my thoughts more important. That includes computers... not expecting a breakthrough.
6:31pm
morphe':
Great Robert Doisneau photo of a woman typing along the Seine ['47?]
6:33pm
Rich from Wading River:
What are the environmental implications of typing on paper vs maintaining data in the cloud?
6:33pm
morphe':
↳
morphe' @6:31
Actually, that cannot be '47..
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6:33pm
Dano59:
Two type-tech extremes: We had a compositing/typesetting Selectric at my college paper in '79 - a much wider machine.
And there's a proto-typewriter an early company sent to Sam Clemens, in situ inside the Mark Twain Study at Elmira College.
6:33pm
Tom from Stirling:
Is typewriter paper different from copy paper?
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6:34pm
cosmic matrix:
i remember the mimeograph dittos...purple ink....
Good question. My guess is that the cloud is much, much more damaging to the environment, especially when viewed long-term (as the data centers are being built to be drawing energy and water PERMANENTLY)
And the paper industry is at least trying a lot of sustainable measures -- even if tree destruction worldwide is NOT doing well. A lot of that is for meat, though.
6:36pm
morphe':
↳
Tom from Stirling @6:33
Typing paper was quite dry and often textured and thick and not uniform even from the same packet..
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6:37pm
steveo:
Enjoying the typewriter talk. I, too, switched to Dvorak (25 years ago) to try to decrease wrist pain -- and it worked!
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6:37pm
Jeff Moore:
It's not really the same thing, but as them as knows me know, I an a strong advocate for the simple, un-networked, often entirely mechanical wristwatch for telling the time (and enjoying a lovely physical object) without the danger of pulling out a pocket computer and getting sucked into a vortex of distraction.
And the show after that can be about grunting.
Oh wait, that’s why we had vocal fry.
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6:38pm
(Murakami Whywolf))):
The only thing I miss about typewriting is the sound of the key hitting the paper, differing by key, so hard to progeam into even flexible virtual keyboads, e.g SwiftKey.
6:41pm
ScottJ:
holy moly!! never heard heidegger explained so succinctly. awesome.
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6:41pm
Dano59:
I looked for a writer's site with her typewriter collection I found a few years ago; will have to wait. But there's this: top typing blogs -- blog.feedspot.com...
In the ultimate paroxysm of anti-progress, I have a broken digital watch with no wristbands that, when it displays, is three hours slow and seven minutes fast from Eastern Daylight Time. But it's absolutely perfectly serviceable and always reminds me that time, time measurement, and what what needs time measured for are all relative propositions.
I would agree. I wonder how we could measure the tradeoff. We print way fewer photos but everyone with a (surveillance) phone has a a terabyte of data in the cloud.
When you generally know what the hour is, minutes are easy to deal with. Since I'm usually using it to time currents on the East River, relative is all I need.
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6:45pm
cosmic matrix:
i need to give my hermes rocket some love. messed it up a little when i played it like a musical instrument for a 4-track recording
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6:45pm
Handy Haversack:
Great interview! Really important talk -- just to remind that "progress" is often a *sacrifice* of convenience, efficiency, and joy in the name of ... well, someone else's profit, usually.
We've had discussions about it and I recall having been a little taken aback by your strong preference for a digital watch, because that's not my preferred way of telling time — I like hands.
That brief discussion has made me think about this issue a lot.
One thing which has occurred to me is that I can most immediately and intuitively UNDERSTAND what time it is by looking at analog-clock hands; but that configuration is noticably slower for me to translate into words if someone asks me the time than a digital watch with everything already in numbers. Hm.
Also: Mark, are you enough younger than me that digital watches already existed and were common back when you were first learning to tell time? THAT could make a difference.
I feel like NO ONE ever asks me what time it is -- I ask other people sometimes because I don't carry a phone and public clocks have sorely degraded.
6:50pm
castor:
Wonderful interview! I just wanna say that a sort of solution Heidegger did offer was “poesis” the nurturing bringing-forth that gives us art and poetry as an antidote to the impositional attitude of modern technology, but also thinking more about “things” and how we interact with them and how they make us present together rather than isolated. So typewriters are actually a great way to do that.
Hey Rich - this is what I do for work (photo management) and it's a great question. Something I wrestle with every day in my job for clients. Very few care about the environmental impact of their infinite cloud photos vs printing them out on photo paper OR using a typewriter and paper. My guess is paper is less harmful but can't say for sure!
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6:51pm
bleubombersune:
I wish I still had my Mom's Olivetti M30
6:52pm
MarciB:
And yes, from an archivist's point of view- I urge my client (and everyone else) to maintain their printed items - there's lots of storage options - but make sure you purchase storage from places like Archival Methods or Gaylord Archival (no relation, I think to the great Gaylord Fields but I could be wrong!)
Listener comments!
: Mark! Techtonpographers!
David (in London): Evening Mark and assembled Technoids.
Bas NL: Hi Mark! www crew!
listener james from westwood: Was excited to hear Polt and his book would be the focus today—love the heck out of this text!
Wendy del Formaggio: Hey Mark and friends! I am psyched for this interview.
Webhamster Henry: This sounds good! My kids had typewriters and put them to good use!
PaulRobeson1924: Good evening WFMU Land! All!
McGroovey: I appreciate you.
You're a good type.
The Butterman: My middle school typing teacher’s name was Mr. Click. Allegedly, his real name.
herb.nyc: Hola
Funny, march 24 nytimes has review of children book “Olivetti”, author: Allie Millington (I have an Olivetti Lettera 32; dad bought for sis circa 1968)
Not funny, same edition has review of “burn this, a tech love story” by Kara swisher. Writer Adrian Chen sez author knows the issue bec she benefited from it, and is working on a book about internet culture as well
Mark Hurst:
↳ McGroovey @6:04
well I appreciate *you*Fredericks: Harlan Ellison had a great number of typewriters.
Mark Hurst: Hi, everyone: @ultra, @DiL, @Bas, @James, @Wendy, @webham, @PaulR, @McGroovey, @Butterman, @herb, @Fredericks!
Folsom: I recently received my copy of "Shift Happens", history of keyboards/typewriters.
dale: i have a couple three typewriters hanging around. plus must have a typewriter instructional l.p.
Webhamster Henry: I am typing in the ancestral homeland to the IBM Selectric, Kingston, NY
listener james from westwood: I managed to score a Smith-Corona portable at the town flea market like 20 years back. Came in its own suitcase, and manual, so no motor to burn out. Red and black ribbon all set for use, just like the bookmark ribbon in this book.
chresti: Hi Mark and techtonicians! I'm late because I was filing my tax return..
herb.nyc:
↳ The Butterman @6:05
Mine was Mrs Siegler, 7th grade. She told us “be a good typist and I can help you get working papers”. Me-“whoa, working papers!!!”. Why did I wanna join the working class?Handy Haversack: Hey, Mark, all.
I have a half dozen sadly unused typewriters around the place, including my mom's. I'd love to rehabilitate them.
Mark Hurst: Hi @chresti, congrats (I assume) on finishing taxes
Bas NL: Personally i still break out in cold sweat smelling correction fluid..
listener james from westwood:
↳ Fredericks @6:06
I recall Ellison had one anecdote about how one of these typewriters died to protect him when he was rear-ended by a truck or the like, and the typewriter became a lifesaving ersatz crumple zone.Fredericks: Tomaš Dvořák connected to Dvorak keymap inventor August Dvorak?
Mark Hurst:
↳ Handy Haversack @6:08
I believe NYC has some typewriter repair shops still!Mark Hurst:
↳ Fredericks @6:09
No relation, as far as I knowmorphe': An old friend - David Z of band V-Effect ["stop playing those songs" and others] told the story/tale that he worked as a NYC typewriter repair person for a typewriter repair company in the '70s and serviced both the CPUSA [Communist Party office on 23rd st] and the FBI ... amongst other clients ...
listener james from westwood:
↳ Mark Hurst @6:09
Gramercy Typewriter still hanging on! gramercytypewriter.comDavid (in London): My old nemesis: old, lumpy Tipp-Ex.
Mark Hurst:
↳ listener james from westwood @6:10
@Handy, take note :)Handy Haversack:
↳ Mark Hurst @6:09
Yeah. It's something I need to attend to at some point. We have so little space that they never got displayed or used and succumbed to the massive entropic forces that attend our life.ultradamno: www.officemuseum.com...
herb.nyc: Back in 80s (early 90s?), nyt had a pic of woman tossing a typewriter into air, for Secretary’s Day. Yes, secretary.
The Butterman:
↳ herb.nyc @6:08
Well, now look at you herb! Your a…?listener james from westwood: Oblation Papers out in Portland, OR, has a bunch of typewriters for sale, and (at least when I visited) had two outside for passing folks to use. And Ace Typewriter in the same city likely has some to sell.
Bas NL:
↳ David (in London) @6:10
Oh no! Lumpy Tipp-Ex. Hail to the backspace!Webhamster Henry: why to use a typewriter (by me, 2005)
+ boots up instantly
+ uses recyclable paper
+ some have a correcting ribbon
- kid can huff wite-out
+ nobody will try to steal it
+ no chance of reading porn other than what he write himself
+ doesn't have to be electric
+ office supply stores still stock ribbons and carbon paper, and
might want to blow some out of their inventory.
The carriage ca-thunk most definitely happens with an electric typewriter, the
response is immediate, and it promotes stream of consciousness
writing, with the immediate gratification of hard copy, and deprecates
the obsession with "correct" spelling, as opposed to expression.
Spelling gradually shifts toward standard spelling with practice, so:
practice.
My son Ray also makes incredible pieces of art with his typewriter.
For a while, he was typing out the text of books he was reading, which was
great on so many levels: learning punctuation, positions of typewriter
keys, yes, even standard spelling - and variant spelling too.
And there's no need for passwords or dealing with ever-shifting and
confusing menus and windows.
Editing is not impossible on typewritten pages; a quick trip to the NY Main
Branch of the public library will put you in contact with their
fascinating displays of original manuscripts and typescripts of famous
books. I too enjoy the miracle of cut'n'paste and the delete key, but
for an eight year old, getting the words out in any form should take
priority. The same actually goes for aging old would-be writers like
myself.
"The perfect is the enemy of the good."
-- Voltaire
Handy Haversack: Typing poems is a great way to learn and study them.
morphe': V-Effect
https://www.nytimes.com/1983/12/21/arts/the-pop-life-eastern-europe-hears-v-effect-s-rock.html
listener james from westwood: Plus when you're using a typewriter, that cheerful "ding!" isn't Slack or iMessage—it's just the margin.
Folsom: Real people write using Leroy lettering, typewriters are too fancy.
Old Dave: IBM Selectric was my fave in the 1980s
Webhamster Henry:
↳ Folsom @6:16
The next show can be about fountain pens!Webhamster Henry:
↳ Folsom @6:16
Leroy and Presstype, and Dymo labels.ultradamno: Sleek api.time.com...
morphe': Typewrites last; ribbons??? I still have some old ribbons [black/red] somewhere ... my older son took my royal and it probably went to ebay or ??
Handy Haversack: Never cared for electrics as much as manuals. Eventually I had a Brother word processor, which was pretty good for long papers.
Mark, we have evidence of 100 percent information retention over at least 500-year timespans with paper. Which current digital medium do you think could possibly do THAT well?!
listener james from westwood: Oh, but the ribbons can be scanned visually for what's been typed, though. Some more easily than others.
I wonder if the Feds have dumped their typewriter archive; they used to have many models to compare against typescript pertinent to investigations.
(Murakami Whywolf))):
↳ Webhamster Henry @6:17
Stop shilling for Big Nib! So technological, a-human manufacturing tolerances needed for the whole shuddering assemblage to work.With quills, all you need is a knife, oak-gall, rust, lamp-black, and a coöperative or slow duck, goose, or turkey.
DjLorraine: I loved my grandfather's typewriter and my dad's. Once you set the margins and tab you are all set.
ultradamno:
↳ ultradamno @6:18
It's like the National of typewriters worldoperf.weebly.com...Webhamster Henry: The supply of ribbons is a constraining factor!
((((Murakami Whywolf):
↳ listener james from westwood @6:20
Carbon-film ribbons were so easily legible, but the results were, too.Webhamster Henry: I used my father's typewriter in college: it was 10 point instead of 12 point, so my essays were denser!
Peter from Saranac Lake NY: 100s of typewriters in a collection? no one shame me for having multiple guitars.
Jeff Moore: I was SO unexcited by the drudgery of using a typewriter back when that was the mainstream tool and there just were no computers in people's houses that when writing a high school paper, instead of using the typewriter in my own house I learned a mainframe document formatting language and caught rides to a data center so I could type my paper into an IBM 029 keypunch onto a deck of cards which I would then carry to a card reader and submit as a batch job then wait for a draft of my paper to come out of a line printer.
Spikey BXL: If others also want to go back to it: Touring the Torment Nexus episode is here www.wfmu.org...
dale: we all knew the home row position.
Handy Haversack: Ha, Wendy plays that book as a record!
cosmic matrix: took out my old hermes rocket when the power went out few weeks back...forgot how primal and real it was.
didn't have a computer at my house at first, so i used to type out programs in BASIC on a manual typewriter and enter into the school's apple IIe in the morning.
swivs: Typewriters killed the penmanship star
Folsom: What was that pen typewriter? Maybe Japanese? It was like a pen plotter with a keyboard.
cosmic matrix: love them typewriters! spread the gospel!
Dano59: i have a question ... which brand does Bob Dylan use?
morphe': I started Hunter College, CUNY 1979 and hand wrote my papers as I could not afford a typewriter and had to explain as such to the Professors and then found the Royal on the Street .. salvation ... was amazing ... the small "o" put holes in the paper..
Webhamster Henry: The Underwood Typewriter factory was in Hartford CT
Jeff Moore: But then, even while not actually wanting to use a typewriter, I greatly admired the Selectric.
dale: found a 1920s corona (before smith corona?) in the street trash a couple years ago. the works were pretty rusted but got it all moving again. then it came to the return cord and spring and i gave up.
wenzo: Makes me want to get a typewriter… send out some actual letters with stamps and everythaang
cuspidor: love my Clark Nova
cosmic matrix: DVORAK
Dano59: I learned on an IBM Selectric in high school ca. 1975; my parents bought me a Smith-Corona electric portable in carrying case not long after. Still have it.
Webhamster Henry:
↳ cosmic matrix @6:28
Hunt'n'peck!Jeff Moore: Does anyone here have life experience with the Olivetti typewriters? We're they pretty much just a Europe thing?
Mark Hurst:
↳ cosmic matrix @6:28
FOREVERHyperDose:
↳ Webhamster Henry @6:28
Mavis Beacon be damned! (I look while typing too)Handy Haversack:
↳ swivs @6:25
My handwriting, never great, has become just obscene. I think I might need to take a course or something. Like a goddamn six-year-old!cosmic matrix:
↳ Mark Hurst @6:29
wow, i've heard about it but never know it was more efficient or something! whoaP-90: Another heartfelt endorsement for Dvorak
Will thee SG OCNY: That's wild that you went Qwerty to Dvorak
Handy Haversack:
↳ dale @6:26
I can offer you more rehab projects if you're looking!HyperDose:
↳ Handy Haversack @6:29
Shoulda been a doctor!Dano59:
↳ Jeff Moore @6:29
lots of Olivettis & users/aficionados in the U.S. - I've tried one; really nice design & lightweight.Handy Haversack: But, Richard, Mark doesn't use toxic Ebay!
Mark Hurst: My show on the DVORAK layout: from Dec 30, 2019 - www.wfmu.org... - see the image at the top of the playlist!
Mark Hurst:
↳ Handy Haversack @6:30
I actually did search eBay to see what they had on offer - unfortunately, zero Dvorak typewriters...Dano59:
↳ Handy Haversack @6:30
the ReUse center is still a safe spaceJeff Moore:
↳ Handy Haversack @6:29
Yes, my ability to handwrite has completely collapsed into chaotic madness!Old Dave: I am better off scrawling with pen or pencil lately. Got over the fantasy of a machine making my thoughts more important. That includes computers... not expecting a breakthrough.
morphe': Great Robert Doisneau photo of a woman typing along the Seine ['47?]
https://www.reddit.com/r/europe/comments/8v8c3k/paris_1947_texting_on_the_seine_river_quais/#lightbox
Handy Haversack:
↳ Mark Hurst @6:31
Meadowlands Flea Market?Rich from Wading River: What are the environmental implications of typing on paper vs maintaining data in the cloud?
morphe':
↳ morphe' @6:31
Actually, that cannot be '47..Dano59: Two type-tech extremes: We had a compositing/typesetting Selectric at my college paper in '79 - a much wider machine.
And there's a proto-typewriter an early company sent to Sam Clemens, in situ inside the Mark Twain Study at Elmira College.
Tom from Stirling: Is typewriter paper different from copy paper?
cosmic matrix: i remember the mimeograph dittos...purple ink....
Mark Hurst:
↳ Rich from Wading River @6:33
Good question. My guess is that the cloud is much, much more damaging to the environment, especially when viewed long-term (as the data centers are being built to be drawing energy and water PERMANENTLY)Spikey BXL: Dvorak, reverse polish notation and avocado toast..
Handy Haversack: This is a friend's project: typingexplosion.com...
Tom from StirlingI: Write those letters sooner rather than later. Price of stamps going up soon.
Handy Haversack:
↳ Mark Hurst @6:34
And the paper industry is at least trying a lot of sustainable measures -- even if tree destruction worldwide is NOT doing well. A lot of that is for meat, though.morphe':
↳ Tom from Stirling @6:33
Typing paper was quite dry and often textured and thick and not uniform even from the same packet..steveo: Enjoying the typewriter talk. I, too, switched to Dvorak (25 years ago) to try to decrease wrist pain -- and it worked!
Will thee SG OCNY: It's a tank of a typewriter
Jeff Moore: It's not really the same thing, but as them as knows me know, I an a strong advocate for the simple, un-networked, often entirely mechanical wristwatch for telling the time (and enjoying a lovely physical object) without the danger of pulling out a pocket computer and getting sucked into a vortex of distraction.
Franco Twinkie:
↳ cosmic matrix @6:34
They smelled so good! My gateway drug in the fourth grade.Mark Hurst:
↳ steveo @6:37
Glad to hear it, steveo!Old Dave: How do my checks keep getting "lost" if there is no surveilling the contents?
Mark Hurst:
↳ Jeff Moore @6:37
Totally agree (I like the $40 Casio watch)The Butterman:
↳ Webhamster Henry @6:18
And the show after that can be about grunting.Oh wait, that’s why we had vocal fry.
(Murakami Whywolf))): The only thing I miss about typewriting is the sound of the key hitting the paper, differing by key, so hard to progeam into even flexible virtual keyboads, e.g SwiftKey.
steveo:
↳ Mark Hurst @6:37
looks like your link has slashdotted archive.org though ;)morphe': Guantánamo Bay files: Casio wristwatch 'the sign of al-Qaida'
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2011/apr/25/guantanamo-files-casio-wristwatch-alqaida
cosmic matrix: whoa! a braille typewriter! www.ebay.com...
ScottJ: holy moly!! never heard heidegger explained so succinctly. awesome.
Dano59: I looked for a writer's site with her typewriter collection I found a few years ago; will have to wait. But there's this: top typing blogs -- blog.feedspot.com...
cosmic matrix:
↳ Franco Twinkie @6:37
yes!!Handy Haversack:
↳ Mark Hurst @6:37
In the ultimate paroxysm of anti-progress, I have a broken digital watch with no wristbands that, when it displays, is three hours slow and seven minutes fast from Eastern Daylight Time. But it's absolutely perfectly serviceable and always reminds me that time, time measurement, and what what needs time measured for are all relative propositions.K8 is not a fan.
Mark Hurst:
↳ Handy Haversack @6:41
"well, it's 2:48 somewhere!"Franco Twinkie: Finally, I'm ahead of the curve. I have a Smith-Corona electric AND a manual too.
If that doesn't make you spitting mad, there's a typewriter repair shop around the corner and down the street.
Rich in Wading River:
↳ Mark Hurst @6:34
I would agree. I wonder how we could measure the tradeoff. We print way fewer photos but everyone with a (surveillance) phone has a a terabyte of data in the cloud.ultradamno: strangesounds.org...
The Butterman: This is why I draw and paint.
Handy Haversack:
↳ Franco Twinkie @6:42
That's great, Franco! I'm jealous!cosmic matrix: word processor=DAW, typewriter=analog tape
Handy Haversack:
↳ Mark Hurst @6:42
When you generally know what the hour is, minutes are easy to deal with. Since I'm usually using it to time currents on the East River, relative is all I need.chris in the redwoods: i have loved this interview! so many smiles.
cosmic matrix: i need to give my hermes rocket some love. messed it up a little when i played it like a musical instrument for a 4-track recording
Handy Haversack: Great interview! Really important talk -- just to remind that "progress" is often a *sacrifice* of convenience, efficiency, and joy in the name of ... well, someone else's profit, usually.
cosmic matrix: cool episode, thanks mark!
morphe': Great Interview !!!
Rich in Wading River: Yes. Very good, entertaining interview
Handy Haversack: I never knew that the QWERTY layout was designed to slow people down!
Jeff Moore:
↳ Mark Hurst @6:37
I know!We've had discussions about it and I recall having been a little taken aback by your strong preference for a digital watch, because that's not my preferred way of telling time — I like hands.
That brief discussion has made me think about this issue a lot.
One thing which has occurred to me is that I can most immediately and intuitively UNDERSTAND what time it is by looking at analog-clock hands; but that configuration is noticably slower for me to translate into words if someone asks me the time than a digital watch with everything already in numbers. Hm.
Also: Mark, are you enough younger than me that digital watches already existed and were common back when you were first learning to tell time? THAT could make a difference.
Dano59: Twain had an early ergonomic design: www.hhhistory.com...
cosmic matrix: used mac dvorak keyboard... www.ebay.com...
Franco Twinkie: I would get an attaboy from Mr. Dietz - my typing teacher in the ninth grade for outing myself as a typer.
No more typing in the closet!
Handy Haversack:
↳ Jeff Moore @6:47
I feel like NO ONE ever asks me what time it is -- I ask other people sometimes because I don't carry a phone and public clocks have sorely degraded.castor: Wonderful interview! I just wanna say that a sort of solution Heidegger did offer was “poesis” the nurturing bringing-forth that gives us art and poetry as an antidote to the impositional attitude of modern technology, but also thinking more about “things” and how we interact with them and how they make us present together rather than isolated. So typewriters are actually a great way to do that.
MarciB:
↳ Rich from Wading River @6:33
Hey Rich - this is what I do for work (photo management) and it's a great question. Something I wrestle with every day in my job for clients. Very few care about the environmental impact of their infinite cloud photos vs printing them out on photo paper OR using a typewriter and paper. My guess is paper is less harmful but can't say for sure!bleubombersune: I wish I still had my Mom's Olivetti M30
cosmic matrix: wow!
MarciB: And yes, from an archivist's point of view- I urge my client (and everyone else) to maintain their printed items - there's lots of storage options - but make sure you purchase storage from places like Archival Methods or Gaylord Archival (no relation, I think to the great Gaylord Fields but I could be wrong!)
Franco Twinkie: Here here!
morphe':
↳ Handy Haversack @6:50
Have long thought if a public clock is not functioning it should be shrouded...Handy Haversack:
↳ morphe' @6:52
Ha, that would be a good move.I use parking meters, but I notice that they are in no way coordinated!
Dano59: it's the books vs. CDs surviving the apocalypse argument -- paper burns at 451F. Plastic melts/discs start to lose data at 230F.
Handy Haversack: Thanks, Mark! This was a delight.
chresti: What about alternative paper- such as bamboo?
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Elena: Yes, please do have another episode on AI generated music!
swivs: suno.com
Jeff Moore:
↳ morphe' @6:52
Yes, a Wrong clock is telling lies and we should be saved from them!chris in the redwoods: yay! love this.
Webhamster Henry: I really wanted this to be a chiptune backing instead it's kind of 80s danceteria!
cosmic matrix: oh man i wish i didn't really like that.
Handy Haversack:
↳ Jeff Moore @6:55
I keep every clock in our apt. "wrong" -- except the computers, which follow their own orders.Deano de los Muertos: Trash TikTok! Nice addition
wenzo: I remember friends
Fredericks: Nice work Webhamster.
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Dano59: that song's awesome! like a digitized Belinda Carlisle.
Bas NL: Thanks Mark! Thanks Richard!
Elena: Great experiment, Henry!
DjLorraine: TY
cosmic matrix: what a world
Webhamster Henry: Right now it's in the "ha-Ha" phase ... eventually in the "Everyone is out of work" phase.
Will thee SG OCNY: Thank you Mark Hurst, Richard Polt, and the Accu Peeps!!!
castor: Thank you Mark and friends!
listener 126464: Thanks, Mark. Thanks, Richard.
Elena: Thank you, Mark!
bleubombersune: Mark and all technonuts all stay safe and be well
ultradamno: Qwerty Laibach?
Webhamster Henry: I'm doing a lot of AI music "production" under my nom the bot "Large Language" .
ultradamno: TYPE IS TYPE!
Mark Hurst: Thanks, everyone! Good comments this evening.
P-90: Thanks Mark + Richard!
Webhamster Henry:
↳ Song: "Left Blank" by "Boston Typewriter Orchestra"
Nice segue to It's Complicated!Handy Haversack: I always find it sad that it has to be explained that pages are left blank intentionally. That's how books work!