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6:00pm
Webhamster Henry:
I was in on the beginnings of Linux. Like the clean rooms that put out the rom code that turned into IBM PC clones to get around Microsoft's patents and other IP grips, Linux was made to get around the strangle hold on official Unix implementations. We're so used to free software, it's hard to imaging paying - a lot - for it. (yeas, I know you still have to pay for Windows updates and the like) there were also lots more OS choices in the Wild West days of early micro/personal computers.
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6:02pm
Webhamster Henry:
Telling apart Linux Distros would be a good job for Machine Learning though. In fact TRAINING a Large Linux Model to build you a customized version would be great!
6:07pm
dano59:
Henry: I thought Gates & Allen were OK with clones if it meant the proliferation/global use of their MS software.
I’d almost prefer that (as a socialist) to Apple’s proprietary shtuff - if only Apple’s design wasn’t the more elegant. The Windows GUI is a paste-on over DOS to emulate the Mac OS
6:07pm
ness:
Linux for the win. Who else is running it?
6:07pm
Dean:
Is it still the case that one can run Linux on very old (10, 15 years or more) machines?
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6:12pm
ultradamno:
Doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result being the definition of anything but practice is also a myth
6:12pm
Deb from California:
I love two things about Linux ... (1) You do not pay for the software ... you, of course, need to buy equipment. (But, an "OLD" Windows computer it "more than enough" to run Linux. AND (2) I have NEVER gotten any malware or viruses using Linux.
6:12pm
joe_rosevear:
Actually, Dale, it doesn't run on the Commodore. I run it on a PC, but it also runs on the Raspberry Pi.
UAE though needs the original kickstarter images... which you can get from www.amigaforever.com
6:12pm
Listener Robert:
I used to use Linux, but am not currently running it. Back when I was, though, I got a phone call from a scammer from "Microsoft Technical Support" who said I was generating error messages they would try to get me to fix. When I told them truthfully that the screens they thought would come up when I followed their directions did not, he got a supervisor on the line. When I said I wasn't using Windows, he gave me instructions for MacIntosh. When I told him no, I was running Linux, he said, "Fuck you!" and hung up.
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6:13pm
Bas NL:
I am programming loads in vb.net. So it's Windows to me.
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6:13pm
zachary:
If anyone needs help with Linux, let me know. Long time supporter, advocate, and user.
6:14pm
Christina in Canada:
I'm so glad I happened upon this. I am running Ubuntu 20.0.4, interested in gentle tutorials to deGoogle, upgrade or switch Os, et cetera
6:14pm
malĥerbo (nl):
Linux Mint here (on a fairly old MacBook).
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6:14pm
Webhamster Henry:
The best is to use the embedded Linuxes in Internet Things.
Excellent. I have Debian, Ubuntu, and Raspbian running in our house.
6:15pm
(Process) A➡(Process) B:
Hi Mark & Technocrats!
I've been working with my old ASUS laptop, with Windows 8, battered as it is, and will keep hanging on to it until it meets it's imminent demise, regardless of all the bugs it succumbs to (and believe me, it does often lag BIG TIME)!
However, my brother has turned me on to a "mini-server" that runs on Raspberry Pi. And I am now seriously considering buying my own.
6:15pm
Dean:
My guess: Peter from Switzerland is Klaus Meine from The Scorpions.
Abandon Mac and Windows, and embrace the command line.
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6:15pm
zachary:
I'll be back. Going to eat my pizza. ;-)
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6:15pm
Mark Hurst:
Hi @ultradamn, @webham, @Bas, @morphe', @chresti, @newton, @KfHP, @Wendy, @PaulR, @malĥerbo, @hoeg, @Deb, @joe_r, @dano, @ness, @Dean, @Art, @DjL, @dale, @Fuzzy, @tim, @sim_m, @Robert, @winston, @Christina, @zachary, @Process - WELCOME to all of you!
6:15pm
hoeg:
@Robert glorious, a free "fuck you" with every tech call
6:16pm
sim_mobile:
@(Process) A➡(Process) B You would be amazed how well your old laptop performs with Linux on it.
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6:17pm
Webhamster Henry:
Sometimes you need OSes that are really stripped down to just what you want to use it for.
6:17pm
sim_mobile:
@(Process) A➡(Process) B try loading a live Linux distro on a thumb drive, like Ubuntu or Puppy Linux. You can take it for a test drive.
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6:18pm
coelacanth∅:
i switched my laptop to linux ubuntu ~2010 but i knew absolutely nothing about computers then...did not know the language. the installer who said he'd always be available to help me was not there at all; so after several months or a year of having no usable computer i switched back.
i could work with it now, but i need to get a laptop that doesn't have physical problems.
6:18pm
joe_rosevear:
... er I think that is true. I wonder now that I said it. Does anyone out there know more about this?
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6:19pm
Webhamster Henry:
Chromebooks have a developer "drop into Linux" mode - at least mine does.
No worries. I'll shoot you an email. I am not sure if you know or if you discuss it in the interview, but you can also test Linux out with a live CD/USB: en.wikipedia.org...
You can boot to it, check it out, test your hardware, without overwriting or installing anything.
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6:21pm
Art:
I'm not a programmer type. When I've had issues with Linux Mint, I searched and found Linux forum posts that give you the stuff to type in the terminal to fix things.
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6:21pm
Webhamster Henry:
On Windows machines, I install Cygwin and ignore the native command line commands
And that was at the end of several minutes with his underling scammer and himself, and me playing dumb all along.
But I also once gave some Jehova's Witnesses the Discordian trip for about 20 minutes and got them to say they couldn't spend more time and walked away.
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6:22pm
tim:
Free your mind and your Linux will follow!
6:22pm
(Process) A➡(Process) B:
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sim_mobile @6:17
Thanks! Could you post any links to sites where I can dl?
Yes. At least isolate your Windows usage to a virtual machine instead of an entire machine that you may use for other things.
6:23pm
Dean:
No, tim.
...and your OS will follow.
6:23pm
Kathleen from JC:
I’ve been Linux curious, too! I’m fed up with Windows and don’t want Apple. Thanks for this segment!
6:23pm
Enflod:
But what about industry-standard software that people in those fields are required to run? Graphic designers, engineers, musicians, etc. use very specific programs. There' s no Photoshop for Linux, is there?
6:25pm
Listener Robert:
I've configured a couple of computers dual-boot, Windows and Linux, because it was most convenient for me then. I configured the file system so one of them could read the whole disc.
but that's the kind of instruction that made it impossible for me to use linux, over a decade ago.
people use phrases that mean nothing to most people and often don't even know of another way to phrase it!
the guy who installed linux for me would say things like "native command line" and was incapable of rephrasing it in english.
i had no choice but to give up.
(even now, even though i can figure out almost everything that i need to now, i still don't know what a "native command line" is)
6:27pm
sim_mobile:
@? Smartphones are locked down, in general. Further, Linux on phones isn't as mature as Linux on workstations.
The problem isn't features—theoretically, at least, one could create a program that does everything Photohop does. The issue is, no one else in the industry will be able to work with the files. If I'm a graphic designer laying out a magazine, no one else will be able to edit my document.
Hehe I jailbroke my iPhone gen 1 and installed the POSIX command line suite and I could telnet - I think even ssh - INTO my iPhone so I could write apps. But when apps were allowed a year later, I decided to go with the "challenge of legitimacy". But iOS is really streamlined for the crazy hardware in iOS devices.
There are free open-source approximations/equivalents for most programs. And you can often (not always) save as different file formats that work in Windows.
6:29pm
luca:
I was an avid Linux user...until...I tried to make my newly bought mouse work with my computer...took years before I got hold of the right driver.
Right ... to the extent that Windows Word files are compatible with Word Files.
6:29pm
Dean:
"Command line" = a blank screen into which you enter instructions, which you have to learn, much like learning a vocabulary of a new language.
"Native" command line = the tool that comes bundled with the OS, rather than a more sophisticated command line tool that you can add to your installation.
6:29pm
sim_mobile:
@Enflod Adobe Creative Cloud doesn't support Linux. You could run Windows on a virtual machine and run Adobe on that.
6:31pm
joe_rosevear:
Not only is open source free, but if you are careful in you choice of Linux distro and how you set it up, your computer or laptop can be free too!
That is because LInux, when set up right, can run easily on older machines that are discarded by Windows users.
6:31pm
Dean:
I still chuckle at the name of the tool dubbed Back Orifice.
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6:32pm
Will thee SG OCNY:
I've had multi-boot set up for years on all my computers. Linux is great
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6:32pm
Webhamster Henry:
If you are a person like me, who writes a script if they do something three times in a row, the command line is your friend.
6:33pm
sim_mobile:
@zachary ahhh, the old BackOrifice days. Pack when you could tumble cell phones with your PC
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6:34pm
Webhamster Henry:
There are ways to run tech like Google Docs, clouds, etc on your own servers. I want to set up a Mastodon node on my NAS.
6:35pm
Dean:
I'll ask again, Webmaster: Who is the person depicted by your avatar? Looks familiar to me...
6:35pm
Listener Robert:
A tricky thing, at least at that time, was that Windows wouldn't go in nicely as the second OS to be installed in a dual-boot system. You had to install the boot loader (GRUB then) after making the appropriate disc configuration tree, then Windows, then Linux. It was said that if you tried to install Windows last, it would over-write some of what you'd configured. Then you could modify Linux as you liked, but updating Windows was a problem.
That's me, 50 years ago in High School! I'm going to my reunion next week.
6:36pm
Dean:
hamster, I mean
6:36pm
sim_mobile:
@newton Ansys on Ubuntu
https://optics.ansys.com/hc/en-us/articles/1500005392522-Ubuntu-Linux-installation-guide#:~:text=This%20page%20shows%20the%20installation,with%20the%20default%20desktop%20environment. ans
6:36pm
Deb from California:
My "change to Linux" has been ... gradual. I would advise "doing it that way".
For a long time I was using nothing but castoff computers.
6:37pm
Zumzar:
Unfortunately, Linux is impractical for vast majority of users because of relatively elaborate install and maintenance. There is a chance that some devices within or around your computer won't work - maintaining a proper set of drivers can be a chore that is not for everyone.
Btw, if you think you are on some kind of 'independent path' if you are using Linux, think again - probably 95% of US corporations use Linux on their servers.
From security point of view, Linux is definitely not a holy grail, Only a few months back it was discovered by pure luck that one of dependent I/O libraries contained a back door possibly installed by Chinese hackers. If this made to Linux release, this backdoor would allow access to virtually all computers running this distribution.
6:38pm
joe_rosevear:
Mark, there are two things going on, and you are confusing them. First there is the machine/OS that you are using. And the other is the network platform you are using, if any. You don't *have* to use a network platform--you can pay for your own webspace and publish your own data on your own webspace. The trouble is that that is complex. Sorry, you can't have your cake and eat it too!
Yes -- I installed Manjaro on this 7+-year-old Dell Optiplex that I bought on ebay for $65 ( Core i5-6500,8GB RAM, no drive) -- throw in a $30 SSD and another 8GB of RAM and Bob's yer uncle! Runs circles around sluggish Windows 11 on my laptop!
Yes, drivers are a serious sticking point. They'll send you to a Web address to download an as-is driver, but much of the time it either isn't there or doesn't work with what you bought off the shelf that told you to go there.
I just bought a used wooden alto recorder cheap! I've only had plastic ones like the one in that picture. Sounds nice! Follow Team Recorder on Y-uT--e for tremendous recorder fun and info!
6:46pm
Dean:
I fear that the adoration of Mac and Microsoft windows GUI is based on a false premise, namely, that some people learn better with visuals. I'm not sure that's correct. But I don't know the research.
I disagree. Linux is not impractical for the vast majority of users.
What was the last distribution you have used? My young children (6 and 9) both run and manage their own machines with very little, if ever, help from me in terms of updating and maintaining. It's easy enough to apt update/upgrade a machine to get the latest packages on a Debian distribution.
Linux runs the vast majority of servers because POSIX design is brilliant when running services. Plus, it's free as in speech and as in beer.
And yes, there are security issues and general bugs, just like any other software. The difference is in how it can be updated and patched. Some software publishes refuse to fix issues on old versions. Where as in the Linux world, its easy to keep files (if you maintained a separate home partition) and upgrade to a new OS if necessary.
Awesome! And it will probably run for years. I find the SSD makes a big difference in performance. I just added one to my 12-year old PC and it runs beautifully.
6:48pm
sim_mobile:
@Zumzar Most people don't install OSes, period. They buy a machine preloaded with it. That option is available with Linux.
The history of computing is rife with clever exploits. Linux is somewhat better due to open source code. The exploit you're talking about was caught because a developer noticed increase in lag time. This exploit was so long in the pipe and with a host of sock puppets, it had to be either a corp or nation state funding it. Against that kind of bad actors, most any OS is vulnerable.
6:48pm
Dean:
I will listen!
I haven't landed on a favorite recorder player, but there are many I admire. I adore the Telemann sonatas. You?
6:48pm
joe_rosevear:
Hmmm. There are many OSs for the PinePhone, but I don't *think* they are derived from Android.
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6:49pm
Ken From Hyde Park:
If we can install Linux in our cars, we can stop the car companies from scooping up our data.
6:50pm
MarciB:
I have to wonder how using Linux would be go over in China. Grounds for shipping off to an internment camp?
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6:50pm
Webhamster Henry:
The whole icon-window-filesystem metaphor needs tossing put, and I'd love to have time to replace it on top of Linux underware.
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6:50pm
Will thee SG OCNY:
I have a 12 year old lenovo think pad woth 2 SSD drives and the processor and RAM is maxed out. I use it to record live shows still... Win XP, Win7, and I Ubuntu... I had hackintosh on there for a while along with several other Linux distos
6:50pm
luca:
How well do devices running Linux sync with each other? (phones, tablets, computers)
6:51pm
Listener Robert:
I probably wouldn't've gotten into Linux, however, had my first experience with the Internet not been thru a Unix shell. Come to think of it, I stayed with MS-DOS beyond the point most other people could believe.
6:52pm
Christina in Canada:
Maybe a first-time guest visit to a local Linux Users Group could be beneficial
6:52pm
Dean:
Well, my comments are not a great resource, but thanks for tolerating them.
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6:52pm
Webhamster Henry:
There are Linux ports of many professional music programs, but not everything. THere's a new plugin format called CLAM that is supposed to help with some of that.
6:53pm
joe_rosevear:
Mark, yes, *gradual* is good. Don't be in a hurry. I found that it takes a long time to *really* learn Linux. That may be daunting, but have patience. The rewards are *awesome*!
6:54pm
Dean:
Microsoft should forward its shots to Brewster Kahle.
6:54pm
sim_mobile:
@MarciB China has their own version of Linux (Kylin)
Ummm ... I think my answer is ... it works for me. I use a computer (at home) with Linux on it. I can browse the Internet and use my (web based) email account(s), Facebook account, etc.
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If I "do something" on my email or Facebook ... it happens ... on both my computer and my cell phone.
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(Is this helpful to you ... ?)
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6:54pm
zachary:
Great Linux and recorder chat everyone!
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6:55pm
ultradamno:
Has anyone made an AI chatbox of a film noir barfly floozie that only talks to an AI chatbox of a film noir palooka?
I'd look at that
6:55pm
MarciB:
I suppose Microsoft is thinking this is just the ticket to get us ok with their "virtual concierge" that will be our virtual online double.
6:55pm
joe_rosevear:
The way to begin is to find where the information is available online. There is a tremendous amount of it, offered up by helpful and intelligent Linux users.
6:55pm
Dean:
Will do, WH. My teacher and I are especially fond of Medieval arrangements.
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6:55pm
Ken From Hyde Park:
Thanks, Mark. Maybe a Linux Day at Monty Hall at some point where folks bring their devices for conversion?
hi zachary - I use debian, ubuntu and rapsberry pi os on some of my machines. Some of the older hardware and printers had issues that I had to fix.
I am pretty sure that most of personal computer/device users use automated updates or have someone else run OS upgrades. Everything else is an unnecessary complication for them.
Hey Zumzar. Nice. I have found the opposite in my case, but I usually try and pursue hardware that is Linux compatible. The one time I needed to dive deeper was for a wireless chipset in a new laptop. Eventually Linux (the kernel) included them natively.
Yes. I run too many things to have updates run automatically. In most cases, it works out for users.
Glad to hear you are another Linux user. By your original comment, you said it was too much to install (we just installed Debian on my son's new computer and while we did not use it, there was an automatic disk partition routine) and maintain. I think they are less complicated if not the same as Windows machines in most cases.
Listener comments!
: Mark! Tectonuxes!
Webhamster Henry: I was in on the beginnings of Linux. Like the clean rooms that put out the rom code that turned into IBM PC clones to get around Microsoft's patents and other IP grips, Linux was made to get around the strangle hold on official Unix implementations. We're so used to free software, it's hard to imaging paying - a lot - for it. (yeas, I know you still have to pay for Windows updates and the like) there were also lots more OS choices in the Wild West days of early micro/personal computers.
Bas NL: Hi Mark! Hi all!
morphe': Plugged In ....
chresti: Hi Mark and tech tonics!
Webhamster Henry: Telling apart Linux Distros would be a good job for Machine Learning though. In fact TRAINING a Large Linux Model to build you a customized version would be great!
newton: HI Markum and other Fruitums
Ken From Hyde Park: Where's my Linux smartphone at?
Wendy del Formaggio: Hi Mark and everyone else!
Wendy del Formaggio:
↳ newton @6:03
And coconuts.newton: I think the software that I use cannot run on Linux
PaulRobeson1924: Hi Hi Hi
malĥerbo (nl): Hi Mark! (and all)
newton:
↳ Wendy del Formaggio @6:04
yes, & themhoeg: good evening folks,
# apt install freedom
:D
Deb from California: Hi
dale: what system is running on amiga?
Webhamster Henry: Actually, it's call MacOS now.
joe_rosevear: Hello, Techies!
dano59: Henry: I thought Gates & Allen were OK with clones if it meant the proliferation/global use of their MS software.
I’d almost prefer that (as a socialist) to Apple’s proprietary shtuff - if only Apple’s design wasn’t the more elegant. The Windows GUI is a paste-on over DOS to emulate the Mac OS
ness: Linux for the win. Who else is running it?
Dean: Is it still the case that one can run Linux on very old (10, 15 years or more) machines?
joe_rosevear: Sure, I use Slackware Linux!
Art: I've been using Linux Mint for years. I am not a computer person.
Deb from California: I am running Linux. (I have a "Linux tech" who helps me ... aka my husband)
Webhamster Henry:
↳ dale @6:06
Amigas run Amiga os, the portable non-licensed version is called AROS, there's also ApolloOS.DjLorraine: Hi
Art: Switch to Linux -- get off the grid of corporate computing!
dale:
↳ Webhamster Henry @6:08
i knew you could enlighten.Dean: I'm with dano59, except that I do not find Apple elegant in any way.
I tried to run Linux (an Ubuntu distro) on the laptop I used in law school...which was '01-'04. Didn't give it fair time and attention.
The frog-in-water scenario is a myth, by the way.
Webhamster Henry:
↳ dale @6:09
I use the Amiga Emulator UAE on my Mac, specifically FS-UAE!newton: boil a frog with the lid on the pot
dale:
↳ dale @6:09
can you run it on anything other than an old commodore?Fuzzy: uname -r
6.6.31-2-MANJARO
dale: oh - beat me to it.
tim: Howdy Mark! I’m not a techie. I like it dumb. I’m gonna stick with it and learn!
sim_mobile: The important thing about Linux is the GPL, a copyleft rather than a copyright license.
Dean: Even if it does get technical, stick with it!
chresti: My son is familiar with Linux
Dean: Yes, tim!
ultradamno: Doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result being the definition of anything but practice is also a myth
Deb from California: I love two things about Linux ... (1) You do not pay for the software ... you, of course, need to buy equipment. (But, an "OLD" Windows computer it "more than enough" to run Linux. AND (2) I have NEVER gotten any malware or viruses using Linux.
joe_rosevear: Actually, Dale, it doesn't run on the Commodore. I run it on a PC, but it also runs on the Raspberry Pi.
Webhamster Henry:
↳ Webhamster Henry @6:10
UAE though needs the original kickstarter images... which you can get from www.amigaforever.comListener Robert: I used to use Linux, but am not currently running it. Back when I was, though, I got a phone call from a scammer from "Microsoft Technical Support" who said I was generating error messages they would try to get me to fix. When I told them truthfully that the screens they thought would come up when I followed their directions did not, he got a supervisor on the line. When I said I wasn't using Windows, he gave me instructions for MacIntosh. When I told him no, I was running Linux, he said, "Fuck you!" and hung up.
Bas NL: I am programming loads in vb.net. So it's Windows to me.
zachary: If anyone needs help with Linux, let me know. Long time supporter, advocate, and user.
winston legthigh: chrestikins!
Christina in Canada: I'm so glad I happened upon this. I am running Ubuntu 20.0.4, interested in gentle tutorials to deGoogle, upgrade or switch Os, et cetera
malĥerbo (nl): Linux Mint here (on a fairly old MacBook).
Webhamster Henry: The best is to use the embedded Linuxes in Internet Things.
zachary:
↳ malĥerbo (nl) @6:14
Excellent. I have Debian, Ubuntu, and Raspbian running in our house.(Process) A➡(Process) B: Hi Mark & Technocrats!
I've been working with my old ASUS laptop, with Windows 8, battered as it is, and will keep hanging on to it until it meets it's imminent demise, regardless of all the bugs it succumbs to (and believe me, it does often lag BIG TIME)!
However, my brother has turned me on to a "mini-server" that runs on Raspberry Pi. And I am now seriously considering buying my own.
Dean: My guess: Peter from Switzerland is Klaus Meine from The Scorpions.
Abandon Mac and Windows, and embrace the command line.
zachary: I'll be back. Going to eat my pizza. ;-)
Mark Hurst: Hi @ultradamn, @webham, @Bas, @morphe', @chresti, @newton, @KfHP, @Wendy, @PaulR, @malĥerbo, @hoeg, @Deb, @joe_r, @dano, @ness, @Dean, @Art, @DjL, @dale, @Fuzzy, @tim, @sim_m, @Robert, @winston, @Christina, @zachary, @Process - WELCOME to all of you!
hoeg: @Robert glorious, a free "fuck you" with every tech call
sim_mobile: @(Process) A➡(Process) B You would be amazed how well your old laptop performs with Linux on it.
zachary:
↳ (Process) A➡(Process) B @6:15
I have a 12-year old desktop that runs great with Debian on a SSD. You could probably bring your old laptop back to life with Linux.Christina in Canada: Hi Mark - I boosted on Mastodon @wfmu's post about this episode.
zachary:
↳ Mark Hurst @6:15
Hello Mark! I was excited for the show when Joe mentioned it this morning.Happy to help you with your Linux journey.
winston legthigh: ✊ mark
Mark Hurst:
↳ Christina in Canada @6:16
Thanks for the boost!(Process) A➡(Process) B:
↳ sim_mobile @6:16
I would certainly hope so & invite the opportunity to switch over!joe_rosevear: Hey, Mark! It is useful to know that Android and iOS are both derived (descended) from Linux.
Ken From Hyde Park:
↳ Song: "Interview with Peter"
Me save world! "tar -cvf file.tar /tmp/*txt"Franco Twinkie: Hey Zack!
Webhamster Henry: Sometimes you need OSes that are really stripped down to just what you want to use it for.
sim_mobile: @(Process) A➡(Process) B try loading a live Linux distro on a thumb drive, like Ubuntu or Puppy Linux. You can take it for a test drive.
Mark Hurst:
↳ zachary @6:16
Thanks, Zachary - I've got to find the time to start the process...Threemoons 🌛🌕🌜: Part of the problem is though, for corporate stuff you pretty much HAVE to use Windows.
Webhamster Henry:
↳ Ken From Hyde Park @6:17
man tarcoelacanth∅: i switched my laptop to linux ubuntu ~2010 but i knew absolutely nothing about computers then...did not know the language. the installer who said he'd always be available to help me was not there at all; so after several months or a year of having no usable computer i switched back.
i could work with it now, but i need to get a laptop that doesn't have physical problems.
joe_rosevear: ... er I think that is true. I wonder now that I said it. Does anyone out there know more about this?
Webhamster Henry: Chromebooks have a developer "drop into Linux" mode - at least mine does.
Mark Hurst:
↳ Ken From Hyde Park @6:17
I'm calling you next time I'm in that situation...Fuzzy:
↳ Threemoons 🌛🌕🌜 @6:18
On the rare occasion when I need to use Windows I can run it as a guest machine in Virttualbox.zachary:
↳ Mark Hurst @6:17
No worries. I'll shoot you an email. I am not sure if you know or if you discuss it in the interview, but you can also test Linux out with a live CD/USB: en.wikipedia.org...You can boot to it, check it out, test your hardware, without overwriting or installing anything.
Art: I'm not a programmer type. When I've had issues with Linux Mint, I searched and found Linux forum posts that give you the stuff to type in the terminal to fix things.
Webhamster Henry: On Windows machines, I install Cygwin and ignore the native command line commands
zachary:
↳ Art @6:21
That's what great with free and open source software: It's very well documented. Like cooking.Listener Robert:
↳ hoeg @6:15
And that was at the end of several minutes with his underling scammer and himself, and me playing dumb all along.But I also once gave some Jehova's Witnesses the Discordian trip for about 20 minutes and got them to say they couldn't spend more time and walked away.
tim: Free your mind and your Linux will follow!
(Process) A➡(Process) B:
↳ sim_mobile @6:17
Thanks! Could you post any links to sites where I can dl?zachary:
↳ Fuzzy @6:20
Yes. At least isolate your Windows usage to a virtual machine instead of an entire machine that you may use for other things.Dean: No, tim.
...and your OS will follow.
Kathleen from JC: I’ve been Linux curious, too! I’m fed up with Windows and don’t want Apple. Thanks for this segment!
Enflod: But what about industry-standard software that people in those fields are required to run? Graphic designers, engineers, musicians, etc. use very specific programs. There' s no Photoshop for Linux, is there?
zachary:
↳ (Process) A➡(Process) B @6:22
Here's the Ubuntu link: ubuntu.com...Debian: www.debian.org...
General concept: ubuntu.com...
sim_mobile: @(Process) A➡(Process) B like our Swiss friend says, distrowatch com
Mark Hurst:
↳ zachary @6:20
Wasn't aware of that, thanks?: Guess it's impossible to install Linux on an iPhone? Love the iPhone hardware, but also love the Linux idea.
zachary: We should have a WFMU Linux Install Fest, @Mark.
tim:
↳ Dean @6:23
Haha! Thanks, dean! I’m learning already!Listener Robert: I've configured a couple of computers dual-boot, Windows and Linux, because it was most convenient for me then. I configured the file system so one of them could read the whole disc.
newton:
↳ Enflod @6:23
I have windows PC specifially for am engineering program, I use that PC for nothing else.Webhamster Henry:
↳ Enflod @6:23
There's the GIMP fot image editing, but you're not going to get all those kewl Photoshop plugins or subscriptions. others: alternativeto.net...Mark Hurst:
↳ @6:24
That's a good question - unfortunately I don't think there's any way to get Linux onto an iPhone.Dean: PopOS? No. In my hood, popos = the police.
Fuzzy: Linux Mint is a very good and popular distro for first-timers.
coelacanth∅:
↳ Webhamster Henry @6:21
but that's the kind of instruction that made it impossible for me to use linux, over a decade ago.people use phrases that mean nothing to most people and often don't even know of another way to phrase it!
the guy who installed linux for me would say things like "native command line" and was incapable of rephrasing it in english.
i had no choice but to give up.
(even now, even though i can figure out almost everything that i need to now, i still don't know what a "native command line" is)
sim_mobile: @? Smartphones are locked down, in general. Further, Linux on phones isn't as mature as Linux on workstations.
Enflod:
↳ Webhamster Henry @6:25
The problem isn't features—theoretically, at least, one could create a program that does everything Photohop does. The issue is, no one else in the industry will be able to work with the files. If I'm a graphic designer laying out a magazine, no one else will be able to edit my document.Webhamster Henry:
↳ @6:24
Hehe I jailbroke my iPhone gen 1 and installed the POSIX command line suite and I could telnet - I think even ssh - INTO my iPhone so I could write apps. But when apps were allowed a year later, I decided to go with the "challenge of legitimacy". But iOS is really streamlined for the crazy hardware in iOS devices.Art:
↳ Enflod @6:23
There are free open-source approximations/equivalents for most programs. And you can often (not always) save as different file formats that work in Windows.Will thee SG OCNY: Good Evening Mark Hurst and all!!!
Mark Hurst:
↳ Will thee SG OCNY @6:28
Welcome, Will!luca: I was an avid Linux user...until...I tried to make my newly bought mouse work with my computer...took years before I got hold of the right driver.
Will thee SG OCNY: I've been using open office for years...
chresti: winstonkins!
zachary:
↳ Mark Hurst @6:25
Looks possible to free iOS devices: konradybcio.pl..."How we got Linux on the iPhone, iPad and other iDevices"
Webhamster Henry:
↳ Art @6:27
Right ... to the extent that Windows Word files are compatible with Word Files.Dean: "Command line" = a blank screen into which you enter instructions, which you have to learn, much like learning a vocabulary of a new language.
"Native" command line = the tool that comes bundled with the OS, rather than a more sophisticated command line tool that you can add to your installation.
sim_mobile: @Enflod Adobe Creative Cloud doesn't support Linux. You could run Windows on a virtual machine and run Adobe on that.
joe_rosevear: Not only is open source free, but if you are careful in you choice of Linux distro and how you set it up, your computer or laptop can be free too!
That is because LInux, when set up right, can run easily on older machines that are discarded by Windows users.
Dean: I still chuckle at the name of the tool dubbed Back Orifice.
zachary:
↳ joe_rosevear @6:31
Oh yeah! Linux can easily breathe new life into old hardware.Hear, hear, Joe!
Art: LibreOffice is great. (And works on Windows and I believe Macs.)
zachary:
↳ Dean @6:31
Classic 1990s Cult of the Dead Cow.Will thee SG OCNY: I've had multi-boot set up for years on all my computers. Linux is great
Webhamster Henry: If you are a person like me, who writes a script if they do something three times in a row, the command line is your friend.
sim_mobile: @zachary ahhh, the old BackOrifice days. Pack when you could tumble cell phones with your PC
Webhamster Henry: There are ways to run tech like Google Docs, clouds, etc on your own servers. I want to set up a Mastodon node on my NAS.
newton: Ansys doesnt run on linux
Dean: I'll ask again, Webmaster: Who is the person depicted by your avatar? Looks familiar to me...
Listener Robert: A tricky thing, at least at that time, was that Windows wouldn't go in nicely as the second OS to be installed in a dual-boot system. You had to install the boot loader (GRUB then) after making the appropriate disc configuration tree, then Windows, then Linux. It was said that if you tried to install Windows last, it would over-write some of what you'd configured. Then you could modify Linux as you liked, but updating Windows was a problem.
Webhamster Henry:
↳ Dean @6:35
That's me, 50 years ago in High School! I'm going to my reunion next week.Dean: hamster, I mean
sim_mobile: @newton Ansys on Ubuntu
https://optics.ansys.com/hc/en-us/articles/1500005392522-Ubuntu-Linux-installation-guide#:~:text=This%20page%20shows%20the%20installation,with%20the%20default%20desktop%20environment. ans
Deb from California: My "change to Linux" has been ... gradual. I would advise "doing it that way".
Listener Robert:
↳ joe_rosevear @6:31
For a long time I was using nothing but castoff computers.Zumzar: Unfortunately, Linux is impractical for vast majority of users because of relatively elaborate install and maintenance. There is a chance that some devices within or around your computer won't work - maintaining a proper set of drivers can be a chore that is not for everyone.
Btw, if you think you are on some kind of 'independent path' if you are using Linux, think again - probably 95% of US corporations use Linux on their servers.
From security point of view, Linux is definitely not a holy grail, Only a few months back it was discovered by pure luck that one of dependent I/O libraries contained a back door possibly installed by Chinese hackers. If this made to Linux release, this backdoor would allow access to virtually all computers running this distribution.
Handy Haversack: Hi, Mark, all.
Dean: Nice! I play recorder, too. Spent an hour yesterday playing Boismortier duets with my teacher.
I avoided my 40th reunion; my 50th will be 2027. I'll likely avoid that, too.
Mark Hurst:
↳ Handy Haversack @6:37
Welcome, Handy!joe_rosevear: Mark, there are two things going on, and you are confusing them. First there is the machine/OS that you are using. And the other is the network platform you are using, if any. You don't *have* to use a network platform--you can pay for your own webspace and publish your own data on your own webspace. The trouble is that that is complex. Sorry, you can't have your cake and eat it too!
winston legthigh: handy!
Deb from California:
↳ Listener Robert @6:36
I have always used "castoff computers". With help from my Linux Tech ... almost any "old computer" has worked well for me.Fuzzy:
↳ zachary @6:31
Yes -- I installed Manjaro on this 7+-year-old Dell Optiplex that I bought on ebay for $65 ( Core i5-6500,8GB RAM, no drive) -- throw in a $30 SSD and another 8GB of RAM and Bob's yer uncle! Runs circles around sluggish Windows 11 on my laptop!Listener Robert:
↳ luca @6:29
Yes, drivers are a serious sticking point. They'll send you to a Web address to download an as-is driver, but much of the time it either isn't there or doesn't work with what you bought off the shelf that told you to go there.tim: Hey Handy!
Mister Dobalina: Such a key point !
Webhamster Henry:
↳ Dean @6:37
I just bought a used wooden alto recorder cheap! I've only had plastic ones like the one in that picture. Sounds nice! Follow Team Recorder on Y-uT--e for tremendous recorder fun and info!Listener Robert:
↳ Deb from California @6:38
Then again, I use castoff EVERYTHING.MarciB:
↳ zachary @6:24
That's a great idea!joe_rosevear: I'm hoping to get a PinePhone. It is a phone that actually runs a real Linux distro. Here is a link: pine64.org...
Dean: Indeed, some plastic recorders sound lovely. I have a beautiful soprano Moeck, a gift from a friend. I'm looking to buy a tenor.
Will thee SG OCNY: Honestly a USB Linux install with persistence is an amazing thing to have. Bring your drive/ computer everywhere
Mister Dobalina: Is this why we don't have phones with removal batteries no longer exist?
Handy Haversack: winston!
Handy Haversack:
↳ tim @6:39
What up, Tim!Dean: I fear that the adoration of Mac and Microsoft windows GUI is based on a false premise, namely, that some people learn better with visuals. I'm not sure that's correct. But I don't know the research.
zachary:
↳ Zumzar @6:37
I disagree. Linux is not impractical for the vast majority of users.What was the last distribution you have used? My young children (6 and 9) both run and manage their own machines with very little, if ever, help from me in terms of updating and maintaining. It's easy enough to apt update/upgrade a machine to get the latest packages on a Debian distribution.
Linux runs the vast majority of servers because POSIX design is brilliant when running services. Plus, it's free as in speech and as in beer.
And yes, there are security issues and general bugs, just like any other software. The difference is in how it can be updated and patched. Some software publishes refuse to fix issues on old versions. Where as in the Linux world, its easy to keep files (if you maintained a separate home partition) and upgrade to a new OS if necessary.
Webhamster Henry:
↳ Dean @6:44
I've had a great Küng tenor for 50 years too. That's my solo here: mamalama.bandcamp.com... .Techtonic is now the go-to program for recorder news.
Deano de los Muertos: Interesting show, Mark
zachary:
↳ Fuzzy @6:39
Awesome! And it will probably run for years. I find the SSD makes a big difference in performance. I just added one to my 12-year old PC and it runs beautifully.Mister Dobalina: I love this !
sim_mobile: @Zumzar Most people don't install OSes, period. They buy a machine preloaded with it. That option is available with Linux.
The history of computing is rife with clever exploits. Linux is somewhat better due to open source code. The exploit you're talking about was caught because a developer noticed increase in lag time. This exploit was so long in the pipe and with a host of sock puppets, it had to be either a corp or nation state funding it. Against that kind of bad actors, most any OS is vulnerable.
Dean: I will listen!
I haven't landed on a favorite recorder player, but there are many I admire. I adore the Telemann sonatas. You?
joe_rosevear: Hmmm. There are many OSs for the PinePhone, but I don't *think* they are derived from Android.
Ken From Hyde Park: If we can install Linux in our cars, we can stop the car companies from scooping up our data.
MarciB:
↳ Ken From Hyde Park @6:49
Yes! that would be something!DjLorraine: Any thoughts about Murena w/ e/OS?
Dean: I plan to install Linux to my bathroom.
Deb from California:
↳ Zumzar @6:37
Hmmmm. Thanks for your post.It seems like "pursuing privacy", if that it your reason for switching to Linux ... may not be an "ironclad" certainty.
Mister Dobalina:
↳ Dean @6:49
Private poops are the best poops.MarciB: I have to wonder how using Linux would be go over in China. Grounds for shipping off to an internment camp?
Webhamster Henry: The whole icon-window-filesystem metaphor needs tossing put, and I'd love to have time to replace it on top of Linux underware.
Will thee SG OCNY: I have a 12 year old lenovo think pad woth 2 SSD drives and the processor and RAM is maxed out. I use it to record live shows still... Win XP, Win7, and I Ubuntu... I had hackintosh on there for a while along with several other Linux distos
luca: How well do devices running Linux sync with each other? (phones, tablets, computers)
chresti: And he doesn't panhandle
Listener Robert: I probably wouldn't've gotten into Linux, however, had my first experience with the Internet not been thru a Unix shell. Come to think of it, I stayed with MS-DOS beyond the point most other people could believe.
Mister Dobalina: Thanks, Mark.
Christina in Canada: Maybe a first-time guest visit to a local Linux Users Group could be beneficial
Dean: Well, my comments are not a great resource, but thanks for tolerating them.
Webhamster Henry: There are Linux ports of many professional music programs, but not everything. THere's a new plugin format called CLAM that is supposed to help with some of that.
zachary:
↳ luca @6:50
What kind of syncing are you looking for? Usually this type of syncing is happening over some sort of service (local or Internet).sim_mobile: @Webhamster Henry China has their own version of Linux
DjLorraine:
↳ DjLorraine @6:49
Oh, i see it's listed on the playlist.zachary:
↳ sim_mobile @6:52
Looks like maybe this one: en.wikipedia.org...luca:
↳ zachary @6:52
Doing work on one device and continuing on another.newton:
↳ Dean @6:48
IMSLP248689-PMLP398178-ChalumeauConcertodjoe_rosevear: Mark, yes, *gradual* is good. Don't be in a hurry. I found that it takes a long time to *really* learn Linux. That may be daunting, but have patience. The rewards are *awesome*!
Dean: Microsoft should forward its shots to Brewster Kahle.
sim_mobile: @MarciB China has their own version of Linux (Kylin)
zachary:
↳ Christina in Canada @6:52
Ha! I haven't been to a LUG in years. Good memories though.Webhamster Henry:
↳ Dean @6:48
Just follow Team Recorder, there's lots of material there - Classical and contemporary!Deb from California:
↳ luca @6:50
Ummm ... I think my answer is ... it works for me. I use a computer (at home) with Linux on it. I can browse the Internet and use my (web based) email account(s), Facebook account, etc..
If I "do something" on my email or Facebook ... it happens ... on both my computer and my cell phone.
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(Is this helpful to you ... ?)
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zachary: Great Linux and recorder chat everyone!
ultradamno: Has anyone made an AI chatbox of a film noir barfly floozie that only talks to an AI chatbox of a film noir palooka?
I'd look at that
MarciB: I suppose Microsoft is thinking this is just the ticket to get us ok with their "virtual concierge" that will be our virtual online double.
joe_rosevear: The way to begin is to find where the information is available online. There is a tremendous amount of it, offered up by helpful and intelligent Linux users.
Dean: Will do, WH. My teacher and I are especially fond of Medieval arrangements.
Ken From Hyde Park: Thanks, Mark. Maybe a Linux Day at Monty Hall at some point where folks bring their devices for conversion?
luca:
↳ Deb from California @6:54
Thanks Deb ;)newton: Microsoft will make a linux emulator that make you feel like you are working in linux but is all microsoft
Handy Haversack: Thanks, Mark!
Deb from California:
↳ luca @6:56
You're welcome. Best Wishes ... Good Luck.Bas NL: Thanks Mark! Thanks Peter!
zachary:
↳ luca @6:53
It would depend on the services. If you are using an Internet based service (e.g. FastMail, Google Docs, etc.) you can easily access them.Christina in Canada: Thank you, Mark!
zachary: Microsoft is actually a big supporter of Linux.
efd: hey that's me!
Bea: Thanks, Mark! You’re the best!
Fuzzy: Good stuff Mark -- thanks!
chresti: Thanks Mark!
joe_rosevear: Thanks, Mark! That was a really great show.
luca:
↳ zachary @6:57
Taking pix with your Linux phone and then editing them with a computer?zachary: Microsoft does a lot of Open Source software investment: en.wikipedia.org...
tim: Thanks, Mark and Peter!
Thanks Evan “Under Urveillance” Davies for the outro!
zachary:
↳ luca @6:59
If you want to just connect via USB and sync, you can. Or you can upload to a service and download on the computer.I take it you are using an iPhone and sync via iTunes/iPhoto?
(Process) A➡(Process) B: Thanks, Mark!
The first time I heard this, I was thinking "Mark Hurst should listen to this!". Then Evan later namedropped him in the back announce! Ha!
luca:
↳ zachary @6:59
Yeszachary:
↳ luca @7:00
Looks like it is possible via these steps: discussions.apple.com...Mark Hurst: Thanks, everyone!
Will thee SG OCNY: Thank you Mark and Peter!!!
Be well everyone!!!
Webhamster Henry: Linux/POSIX is no problem for me since I predate Graphic Interfaces anyway.
zachary: Thank you everyone!
zachary:
↳ Webhamster Henry @7:01
The terminal all the way! I am trying to teach my kids to use the keyboard as much as possible. So much faster.Zumzar:
↳ zachary @6:46
hi zachary - I use debian, ubuntu and rapsberry pi os on some of my machines. Some of the older hardware and printers had issues that I had to fix.I am pretty sure that most of personal computer/device users use automated updates or have someone else run OS upgrades. Everything else is an unnecessary complication for them.
zachary:
↳ Zumzar @7:02
Hey Zumzar. Nice. I have found the opposite in my case, but I usually try and pursue hardware that is Linux compatible. The one time I needed to dive deeper was for a wireless chipset in a new laptop. Eventually Linux (the kernel) included them natively.Yes. I run too many things to have updates run automatically. In most cases, it works out for users.
Glad to hear you are another Linux user. By your original comment, you said it was too much to install (we just installed Debian on my son's new computer and while we did not use it, there was an automatic disk partition routine) and maintain. I think they are less complicated if not the same as Windows machines in most cases.