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Techtonic with Mark Hurst | WFMU

Evan Selinger and Albert Fox Cahn, authors, "Move Slow and Upgrade": Techtonic with Mark Hurst Dystopia update: good news edition: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Janet Vertesi, founder of the Opt Out Project: Techtonic with Mark Hurst A visit to Repair Cafe El Barrio: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Marathon week 2 w/cohost Jesse Jarnow: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Marathon week 1 w/cohost station manager Ken Freedman: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Celebrating 400 episodes of Techtonic: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Chris Gilliard on Amazon’s admission that Ring spies on us: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Peter Dear ("The World As We Know It") and how we interpret AI: Techtonic with Mark Hurst AI is spreading where it doesn't belong: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Peter Schmidt on the book "Attensity" by the Friends of Attention: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Paul Bradley Carr, author, "The Confessions": Techtonic with Mark Hurst Lora Kolodny from CNBC on Grok's sexualized images: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Ken Freedman and Mark discuss the year ahead: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Tim Wu, author, "The Age of Extraction": Techtonic with Mark Hurst The Ghost of Christmas Tech Anxieties - Sara Clemens and Stu Horvath fill in, with guest Adam Allsuch Boardman: Techtonic with Mark Hurst The first annual Creepy Awards: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Noah McCormack from The Baffler: "We used to read things in this country": Techtonic with Mark Hurst Amateur radio is a superpower: Thomas Witherspoon: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Citizens are being forced to pay for Big Tech data centers, feat. Pat Garofalo: Techtonic with Mark Hurst How low can the tech oligarchs go?: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Paul Mozur on the spread of data centers: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Aram Sinnreich, co-author, "The Secret Life of Data": Techtonic with Mark Hurst Widening inequality and Big Tech surveillance, feat. Dan Currell: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Filmmaker Amanda Hanna-McLeer on the Luddite renaissance: Techtonic with Mark Hurst The protest against smartphones, with Logan Lane: Techtonic with Mark Hurst AI and surveillance keep spreading: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Megan Greenwell, author, "Bad Company: Private Equity and the Death of the American Dream": Techtonic with Mark Hurst Glenn Adamson, author, "A Century of Tomorrows": Techtonic with Mark Hurst Joseph Weizenbaum warned us about AI 50 years ago (feat. Faine Greenwood): Techtonic with Mark Hurst Milestones for Big Tech... and Techtonic: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Cory Doctorow, author and journalist: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Webb Keane, author, "Animals, Robots, Gods": Techtonic with Mark Hurst If/Then/Else - Sara Clemens and Stu Horvath fill in, with guest Brendan Keogh: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Adam Becker, author, "More Everything Forever": Techtonic with Mark Hurst Three emerging dystopias: money, water, and truth: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Duncan Moench on "soylent screens" and producerism: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Ed Park, author, "An Oral History of Atlantis": Techtonic with Mark Hurst Daniel Solove, author, "On Privacy and Technology": Techtonic with Mark Hurst Burn Hollywood Burn - Will AI save the movies? Dan Morfitt fills in with guest John Ashbrook: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Compulsory surveillance and other threats: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Lori Emerson, author, "Other Networks": Techtonic with Mark Hurst Unveiling our new theme song by Kirk Pearson, and Big Tech alternatives: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Matt Warwick fills in for Techtonic with Co-Host HurstBot: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Emily M. Bender and Alex Hanna, authors, "The AI Con": Techtonic with Mark Hurst David Greenwood, author, "The Cloud Intern": Techtonic with Mark Hurst Surveillance scholar Chris Gilliard on Facebook's spy glasses: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Discussing "Careless People" by Facebook whistleblower Sarah Wynn-Williams: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Sybil Derrible, author, "The Infrastructure Book": Techtonic with Mark Hurst Dan Morfitt and Mark Hurst discuss dystopian movies: Techtonic with Mark Hurst The Defunding of Public Radio with Jesse Walker, Uri Berliner and Sue Matters: Techtonic with Mark Hurst John Warner, author, "More Than Words": Techtonic with Mark Hurst Sue-Lin Wong and online scams: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Emergency surveillance update: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Liz Pelly, author, "Mood Machine": Techtonic with Mark Hurst Ben Snyder, author, "Spy Plane": Techtonic with Mark Hurst Marathon week 2 w/cohost Matt Warwick: Techtonic with Mark Hurst AI and the future of war – with "Flash Wars" director Daniel Wunderer: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Nick Couldry, author, "The Space of the World": Techtonic with Mark Hurst August Lamm: you don't need a smartphone: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Supervillains in tech – with Greg Epstein, Chris Gilliard, and Jim Starlin: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Welcome to the oligarchy: on Big Tech's government takeover: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Kirk Pearson, author, "Electronic Music From Scratch": Techtonic with Mark Hurst Ken Freedman and Mark Hurst listen to AI: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Andrew Smith, author, "Devil in the Stack": Techtonic with Mark Hurst Our year of surveillance: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Arvind Narayanan, author, "AI Snake Oil": Techtonic with Mark Hurst Nicole Kobie, author, "The Long History of the Future": Techtonic with Mark Hurst Technology we're thankful for, from listeners: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Astronomer Samantha Lawler on Musk's space junk: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Guest host Station Mgr Ken interviews David Suisman on music and the military: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Dystopia update: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Members of the Luddite Club: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Christopher Brown, author, "A Natural History of Empty Lots": Techtonic with Mark Hurst Yaroslav Trofimov, author, "Our Enemies Will Vanish": Techtonic with Mark Hurst Silkie Carlo, director, Big Brother Watch: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Tim Schwab, author, "The Bill Gates Problem": Techtonic with Mark Hurst What if no one wants AI?: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Helen Phillips, author, "HUM": Techtonic with Mark Hurst Even more devices are spying on you: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Carl Öhman, author, "The Afterlife of Data": Techtonic with Mark Hurst Guest host Alan on Rancho Mastatal : Techtonic with Mark Hurst Paula Bialski, author, "Middle Tech": Techtonic with Mark Hurst Google antitrust decision party: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Jon Leidecker, aka Wobbly, on Negativland and fair use: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Guest host Brian D. on disinformation with Kirsten Eddy and Alex Mahadevan: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Generative AI and the "cesspool internet" – with Jason Koebler: Techtonic with Mark Hurst How it started, how it's going: revisiting the warnings of the past: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Carissa Véliz on digital ethics: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Byron Tau, author, "Means of Control": Techtonic with Mark Hurst Listener questions: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Mark Schatzker and "Food, Inc. 2": Techtonic with Mark Hurst Matt Warwick guest hosts Techtonic: What's the best robot?: Techtonic with Mark Hurst We should all switch to Linux: Techtonic with Mark Hurst What's eating Google?: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Chris Gilliard on what AI is really for: Techtonic with Mark Hurst "Data Grab" by Ulises Mejias and Nick Couldry: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Michael Shelley on AI-generated music: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Eve Herold, author, "Robots and the People Who Love Them": Techtonic with Mark Hurst Richard Polt, author, "The Typewriter Revolution": Techtonic with Mark Hurst
Tech and the sandwich generation: Techtonic with Mark Hurst
ultradamno · 2024-07-30 · via Techtonic with Mark Hurst | WFMU

Listener comments!

Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 5:55pm
: Mark! Techtonkfurters! (since hot dogs ARE sandwiches!) Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:00pm
ultradamno:

↳ ultradamno @5:55

I looked it up! Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:02pm
Wendy del Formaggio: Mark! Friends! Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:02pm
Handy Haversack: Mark! Techyons!   6:02pm
Fredericks: Technistas? Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:03pm
Bas NL: Hi Mark! Hi wireless crew!   6:03pm
David (in London): Evening Mark and all Technoids. Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:04pm
chresti: Hi Mark and techtonicians! Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:04pm
DjLorraine: *practices a respectful bow* Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:04pm
Webhamster Henry: I'm an open faced sandwich right now...actually, the bottom layer is mostly gone. I'm of course morphing into the top layer.   6:08pm
Fredericks: Not elderly, but parent free. An orphan? Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:08pm
Jim the Poet: I'm pretty sure I don't have kids Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:08pm
Steve Del Sol: Yes. My sandwich has already been eaten. But this happens to most of us, yes? We all eat THIS sandwich. Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:09pm
Steve Del Sol: Should a made sandwiches for dinner... Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:09pm
Wendy del Formaggio: Ooh! Wobbly interview! Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:09pm
Wendy del Formaggio:

↳ Jim the Poet @6:08

Last time I checked, I had no kids, either. Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:10pm
chresti: We're a moldering sandwich- open face after our parents passed away Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:10pm
Handy Haversack:

↳ Wendy del Formaggio @6:09

Just reading this conversation makes me want to go get another vasectomy. Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:10pm
ultradamno: Childless cat bachelor Avatar 6:11pm
MarciB:

↳ Fredericks @6:08

I always wonder about that - parent-free, kid-free, maybe we're older orphans! Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:11pm
Spikey BXL: Good evening Mark, tonics.

Today my 13yr old made fun of me (49) because I had received App usage advice from an old man (60+) at the healthcare provider's booth at the hospital.

Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:12pm
Ken From Hyde Park: Greetings, Mark and tech industry. Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:14pm
Handy Haversack: Atlanta listeners were prevented from making the WFMU Pirate Cruise because of this. Avatar 6:15pm
joe_rosevear: Hello, Mark and all. Sorry I'm late, although I didn't miss the show's beginning--I caught it on my cell phone!   6:17pm
Marie in Chicago: Paper, baby Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:18pm
Ken From Hyde Park:

↳ Handy Haversack @6:14

Smart KFHP flew Thursday and beat the issue. Friends of mine were stuck in Atlanta for the whole weekend.   6:20pm
Marie in Chicago: Nice simple rule about the calls being incoming Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:20pm
Webhamster Henry: The kid in trouble scam is so old I think it started in postcards or telegraphs. Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:20pm
Peter from Saranac Lake NY: Hello Mark and all.

IDK whether a different release date would have made a difference for Crowdstrike.

Former wife is a computer programmer at UPS. They install new software updates at, like 4:30 AM on a Sunday. If something goes wrong, they work like fiends to fix it.

Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:21pm
Handy Haversack:

↳ Webhamster Henry @6:20

Telegraph destroyed STOP Ask no questions STOP Send now STOP Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:21pm
Webhamster Henry: Yes, use the technique as used in Terminator 2 "How is Wolfie?" Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:21pm
Spikey BXL:

↳ Webhamster Henry @6:21

Sarah Connor? Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:22pm
Mark Hurst: Hi! Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:22pm
ultradamno: The iPad just updated...seems to have survived it... Avatar 6:23pm
MarciB: I'm a photo manager and I totally approve of Elaine's advice! Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:23pm
Handy Haversack:

↳ Webhamster Henry @6:21

LIQUID METAL Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:24pm
Webhamster Henry:

↳ Webhamster Henry @6:21

"When John called home to warn the Voights, Max, recognizing "Janelle" as a Terminator imposter, barked furiously. John therefore feared that the T-1000 was already at the house, and asked the T-800 at his side about this. The T-800 then proceeded to speak with the T-1000 over the phone, imitating John's voice. After learning the dog's real name Max from John, he asked "Janelle" why Wolfie was barking. "Janelle" failed to recognize that the name was incorrect, assuring that "Wolfie" was just fine. Thus the T-1000 inadvertently gave away that it was not the real Janelle. The T-800 immediately hung up and informed John that his foster parents were dead."   6:24pm
Fredericks: And links rot. Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:24pm
PaulRobeson1924: Hii Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:25pm
ultradamno:

↳ Handy Haversack @6:23

All started here....and he's a neurotoxin! static.tvtropes.org... Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:25pm
Ciggy: Gift:
Today - NYTIMES article
"How One Man Lost $740,000 to Scammers Targeting His Retirement Savings" www.nytimes.com... Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:26pm
mackeral: hey folks   6:27pm
?: How about Crowdstrike thouroghly testing the update in-house before releasing it out to customers.

If it fails in-house..it's not released until it passes

Seems like a simple idea, but was not done

  6:28pm
?: My math problem totaled 666

Woooooooo

Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:28pm
Handy Haversack:

↳ ultradamno @6:25

And apotheosis here: tvtropes.org... Avatar 6:29pm
Marci: I was recently learned about a company called Trustworthy that does DAM work. They are legit - but omg you have to hire someone to help you add + scan all of your info. They are recommended by privacy advocates - but still, if the web gets down, then what? Avatar 6:30pm
Marci:

↳ Ciggy @6:25

I swear we read variations of this story every few weeks. Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:31pm
Henry Hudson's Distant Relative: Why not just keep a physical Rolodex with all DAM info? I'd rather do that than trust a company. Avatar 6:32pm
Marci: Use the 3-2-1 backup plan that I recommend to my clients. 3 sources - 2 external hard drives and one cloud. Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:33pm
Handy Haversack: Facebook, Google, et al. MIGHT last to the end of the internet, but there's no reason to assume their products and services will. Gmail lives only as long as it's useful to Alphabet as the best driver of data gathering. If any sort of actual privacy law were passed or even if they just thought of something better, there's no reason to assume any of these services would persist. Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:33pm
Henry Hudson's Distant Relative:

↳ Henry Hudson's Distant Relative @6:31

Basically, a physical Rolodex with all passwords, etc. Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:33pm
Wendy del Formaggio:

↳ Handy Haversack @6:10

Likewise, I wish I could get another hysterectomy. Avatar 6:34pm
Marci:

↳ Henry Hudson's Distant Relative @6:33

the only issue with that (and I have all mis passwords written down too), is there's the worry that if something happens to your home, and that's the only place it's saved, then you're stuck. Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:35pm
Handy Haversack: Quoting Marci now! The Techtonic equivalent of an Instant Request! Avatar 6:35pm
Marci:

↳ Handy Haversack @6:35

I'm a techtonic star lol! Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:36pm
Spikey BXL: A simple fire retardant pouch also a good idea for those important print outs. Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:37pm
Handy Haversack:

↳ Spikey BXL @6:36

I tell the cats that only my FAVORITE gets to go in the pouch! Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:38pm
Spikey BXL:

↳ Handy Haversack @6:37

Is the volume/content of the pouch measured in.. litter? Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:38pm
Wendy del Formaggio: You can also store important documents at your local bank in their safe-deposit box. You have to pay a rental fee, but it's usually pretty low, especially if you just need a little box for documents. Might be less than $50/year. And, you can also keep cash and drugs in there if, ya know...   6:38pm
Joey C: Thanks for the useful information Mark! Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:40pm
Ciggy:

↳ Marci @6:32

Sources?   6:40pm
?: I did some work at a facility in Flanders,NJ which was a storage archive facility for all kinds of data. Not only did they have documents, but also the outdated machines needed to read some of them. The bulk of the building was 5 stories underground.

I want to live there..5 stories underground

  6:41pm
Marie in Chicago: Ireland I think passed some protective legislation for children online and one of the creators said leaving your child alone online is like leaving your child in a room with a stranger... Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:42pm
tim: Hey Mark and everyone! I missed the first half because I was outside playing with my kids! Haha. I have a 5 and 8 year old and a 78 year old mom in independent living. She 78 going on 90 physically and 12 emotionally. Avatar 6:43pm
Marci:

↳ Ciggy @6:40

The sources would total 3 ways - so two external hard drives and one cloud source (=3) But also, printing out is great and important too, though I know it's not feasible to print everything important. Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:44pm
Handy Haversack:

↳ tim @6:42

If only there were a happy medium ... Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:46pm
Ciggy:

↳ Marci @6:43

I'm sorry, I'm having dinner. I'm not concentrating thoroughly on the context.   6:46pm
Dean: Remember when the most serious pedagogical concern was that students were using their laptops in class to shop online?   6:48pm
Dean: My kids (13 and 18) are glued to their screens, but they also play constantly in person with multiple friends. Avatar 🤖 6:49pm
herb.nyc: Am listening. Am nodding. I will alert some young parents i know. PLAY in yr early years, yes! Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:51pm
Tommy in Neversink: not to mention how kids are more overweight today because of the inactivity . Many are headed toward diabetes. Another reason to be depressed Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:51pm
Tommy in Neversink: So glad I grew up in the 60s and 70s Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:52pm
Handy Haversack: Google Classroom, like so many other Google products, is not only clearly designed not to do what it says on the tin but to load a data mine with ore for Google but also a *terrible* product. It is hard to use, opaque, slow, and clunky. But the fear level among the civil-managerial class about not being "cutting-edge" is so great that they'd rather sacrifice generations of kids to Tech than actually evaluate a product. Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:53pm
ultradamno: On the other hand, they have more choices on You Tube of novelty songs called Hawk Tuah than ever before... Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:54pm
Steve Del Sol: Build housing with them. Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:54pm
∫ydniuß: Thanks, Mike! Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:56pm
tim:

↳ tim @6:42

There's a lot I want to add to this discussion. I'm 51. I'm 10 - 25 years older than most of the parents in my kids classes. Most of the parents are miles ahead of me regarding tech. I'm still a dumb ass. I don't stream anything other than FMU. My kids get their passive entertainment in physical form from the library. We listen to records and cds. This isn't intentional it's because I'm not interested. My kids accidentally benefit from my morning I guess - haha! Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:57pm
Handy Haversack: Glad you're back, Mike Hurst! Many thanks!   6:57pm
Sam: People are going to believe more and more AI lies. And that’s why we won’t need elections in 4 years. Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:57pm
Steve Del Sol: How can we protect them IF WE ARE ON THE INSIDE OF THE SANDWICH?!?? Avatar 6:57pm
joe_rosevear: Hey, thanks Mark and everyone--good show!   6:57pm
Marie in Chicago: Thanks, Mark! Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:57pm
listener 126464: Important stuff. Thank you, Mark. Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:57pm
tim: Thanks, Mark!   6:57pm
wenzo: Thanks Mark! Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:58pm
Neil Neil the orange peel: Cheers Mark and all. Avatar 6:58pm
Marci: Another great show - thanks Mark! Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:58pm
chresti: Thanks Mark! Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:59pm
Wendy del Formaggio: Thank you, Mark! Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:59pm
Mark Hurst: Thanks, everyone! Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:59pm
coelacanth∅: Thanks Mark   6:59pm
Sam: Cheers Mark! Thanks again for your integrity and moral rectitude! Avatar Swag For Life Member 7:00pm
Mark Hurst:

↳ Handy Haversack @6:57

I have to practice saying my name. Avatar Swag For Life Member 7:00pm
bleubombersune: Mark Thanks Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 7:00pm
Handy Haversack:

↳ Mark Hurst @7:00

Ha, don't we all! Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 8:44pm
Ken From Hyde Park:

↳ Handy Haversack @6:57

"Handy, how is Wolfie Hurst?"