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Techtonic with Mark Hurst | WFMU

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AI and the future of war – with "Flash Wars" director Daniel Wunderer: Techtonic with Mark Hurst
ultradamno · 2025-02-25 · via Techtonic with Mark Hurst | WFMU

Listener comments!

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: Mark! Techtonmongers! Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:00pm
Handy Haversack: Mark! All! Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:02pm
Bas NL: Hi Mark! Organic intelligentsia! Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:02pm
Deano de los Muertos: Hi Mark and peeps Avatar 6:02pm
MarciB: Hello from NYC! Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:02pm
Ken From Hyde Park: Hello, Mark and target audience! This week in Bumper Stickers You'd Rather Not See: Microsoft is my Copilot! Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:03pm
PaulRobeson1925: Morningggggggg   6:03pm
Hugo (NL): Hi all! Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:05pm
PaulRobeson1925: Genuine peace and a loving society is a great topic for anyday of the week   6:05pm
David (in London): Evening Mark and all Technoids here gathered. Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:06pm
chresti: Hi Mark and techtonicians! Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:07pm
PaulRobeson1925: & peace is much more than the opposite war. & peace is A concept less clearly defined than is war Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:09pm
Will thee SG OCNY: Good evening Mark Hurst and all!!! Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:10pm
Webhamster Henry: Sounds like this is going to be a nice, scary program today!   6:10pm
Paul Szepesvary: It's important to point out that Russia invaded Ukraine because the Big Orange Turd has a heck of a lot of trouble pointing this out, or even admitting it! Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:10pm
Handy Haversack:

↳ David (in London) @6:05

David! We are come home from Runza Central South, where you were spoken of with great regard. Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:11pm
PaulRobeson1925:

↳ PaulRobeson1925 @6:07

MoRe *than the opposite of war.

Iraq…where to begin?

Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:12pm
Spikey BXL: Hello Mark, luddites Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:12pm
Webhamster Henry:

↳ PaulRobeson1925 @6:07

"Peace: the short period of preparation between wars" -- Ephraim Kishon Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:12pm
Dano59: "New York City's Last Remaining Radio Station" art on the FMU homepage is a little too on the nose Avatar 6:12pm
VantuckyEd: Boy do we have a huge threat now that the Trump dummies want set AI loose without restrictions. Those guys would be more than happy to use this tech on American protesters.   6:14pm
Sam: We’re jammin’! And I hope you like jammin’ too! Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:15pm
Ken From Hyde Park: Russia has resorted to sending donkeys to transport weapons and supplies. I hope the AI knows not to target the creatures. Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:15pm
ultradamno: Most of John Oliver's new show last night was about Facebook, btw Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:15pm
Webhamster Henry: Speaking of facial recognition, Clearview's CEO has resigned. techcrunch.com... Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:18pm
zachary:

↳ Song: "Interview with Daniel Wunderer"

That sounded like Gus Bodenheim for a moment in the beginning. Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:18pm
Spikey BXL: Today marks 3 years of the war of aggression on Ukraine.

🇺🇦Слава Україні! Героям слава!🇺🇦

Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:18pm
chris in the redwoods: hi, Mark and all.
IDF also using autonomous weapons in Gaza. :( Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:18pm
ultradamno: Sly weasel and weapon systems, a good combination Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:19pm
zachary:

↳ Song: "Interview with Daniel Wunderer"

It's the stock market computers being applied to physical war instead of just economical.   6:19pm
mennlinn r: sure the narrator is ai   6:19pm
Sam:

↳ ultradamno @6:18

What’s worse, a drone accidentally bombing civilians, or a prime minister doing it intentionally?   6:20pm
Sam: Sorry I was replying to Chris Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:21pm
hectic: this is techtic signing on! Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:21pm
ultradamno:

↳ Sam @6:19

I don't see how that logically follows off my joke Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:22pm
chris in the redwoods:

↳ Sam @6:20

i personally think they're both horrible. however the risk of AI being in charge of the trigger is generally seen as being a greater one for unintended consequences. Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:22pm
ultradamno:

↳ Sam @6:20

OK, got it. Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:24pm
ultradamno: I saw an article title the other day that read, in effect "can AI think or is it just pretending?"....I think if it can pretend, that's just as disconcerting Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:26pm
PaulRobeson1925: I DON’T want to join the ARMY! I Don’T want to go to War! 🎵 I’d rather hang around Piccadilly underground AND fornicate me fucking life away! Life away! OH i don’t want a bayonet up the Arse hole! I don’t want my bullocks
Shot away! 🎵 shot away! I’d rather stay in NEW YORK CITY! In merry merry NEW YOrk cITY AND fornicate me F*** life away! Life away   6:28pm
Fredericks: Is it just me or did Daniel imply that AI attaining consciousness is inevitable?   6:29pm
Sam: You’ll never truly know if or when AI becomes conscious, that’s the creepy part. How would you ever know for sure? Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:29pm
Mark Hurst:

↳ Fredericks @6:28

I think Daniel is saying that autonomous drones are coming - "it just a software update" - not about consciousness Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:31pm
Bas NL: In relation with warfare, why not call the hardware Artificial Stupidity? Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:33pm
Ken From Hyde Park: Some video recordings from Ukraine. www.reddit.com... (Some are not safe for work.) Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:33pm
hectic:

↳ PaulRobeson1925 @6:26

i hate the army and i hate the RAF! i don't wanna go fighting in the tropical heat! Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:34pm
PaulRobeson1925: War does war exist? In such an age as ours? Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:36pm
cosmic matrix: Will people need pulsed-EMF weapons against these drones, I wonder? Just popped in. This is terrifying. Avatar 🤖 6:37pm
herb.nyc: Hola. I watched the docu at Monty hall. Left the bldg in a very worried state. And now, déjà vu Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:37pm
Spikey BXL: Light side of the Moon Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:37pm
PaulRobeson1925:

↳ PaulRobeson1925 @6:34

The military and police function to protect private property? As in South America and the American south

Or is it something else

  6:38pm
Sam: The real hope of Ai should be to stop wars, by bypassing the illogical human emotions that lead to them. Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:38pm
newton: how can he sleep at night? Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:38pm
ultradamno:

↳ Song: "Mark's intro"

Do you have to choose 'select all' to get a poisoned smoothie?   6:39pm
Sam: Any logical computer with good information would conclude that wars are never worth fighting. Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:39pm
Dano59:

↳ Ken From Hyde Park @6:15

I like the old ways. Arming primates, throwing plague victims over the wall at the enemy... the Pentagon has been looking at ways to use insects ("assassin bugs") as weapons since 1998. - per Stanford prof Adrienne Mayor. Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:40pm
cosmic matrix:

↳ Sam @6:38

Right? Theoretically it could help us save our own collective ass! Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:43pm
newton: how does an individual watch this film?   6:43pm
Sam:

↳ cosmic matrix @6:40

Remember the movie War Games? The computer concluded: “The only way to win is not to play.” Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:43pm
joe mulligan: SHALL WE PLAY A GAME? (1983 vocoder movie voice) Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:44pm
chresti: AI=IA- In Accuracy Avatar 6:44pm
MarciB: What's old is new again I guess. This show is bringing flashbacks to my childhood- 3 Mile Island, learning about MAD in high school, the Cold War etc. We just don't learn. And of course, the film War Games.   6:45pm
Listener Robert: Oh, THAT kind of flash. My assumption had been that "Flash Wars" referred to some YouTube video in Flash animation making fun of "Star Wars". Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:45pm
Webhamster Henry: speaking of robodogs www.theverge.com... Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:46pm
joe mulligan:

↳ MarciB @6:44

100%. It's insane Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:46pm
cosmic matrix:

↳ Sam @6:43

I need to see that movie again. I don’t remember that part. Avatar 6:46pm
MarciB:

↳ newton @6:38

That's what I'm wondering too! Avatar 6:47pm
MarciB:

↳ Sam @6:43

I think I saw that film several times as I was convinced it was going to happen to us. Still am, sadly. Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:47pm
hectic:

↳ Sam @6:38

that's so smart. why cant you be in charge? Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:48pm
Ken From Hyde Park: What would stop some tech-savvy bad guy from putting together an autonomous drone bomb in his basement and letting it loose on innocent people? Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:49pm
PaulRobeson1925:

↳ PaulRobeson1925 @6:26

Monday I toucher her on the ankle! & 🎵Tuesday I touched her on the knee! …OH I don’t want to join the army! I don’t want to go to war… Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:49pm
Spikey BXL: Macron tried to fact check the orange goblin today.   6:49pm
Sam:

↳ hectic @6:47

Heh heh. Thank you. Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:49pm
newton:

↳ Ken From Hyde Park @6:48

nothing Avatar 6:50pm
MarciB:

↳ Spikey BXL @6:49

Poor macron, thinking Agent Orange listens to facts. Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:50pm
PaulRobeson1925: I wonder why do we see war? Why in an age such
as ours Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:51pm
Deano de los Muertos: Thanks Mark! Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:51pm
newton: Naval Drones. I picture mosquito size drones flying out our belly buttons Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:52pm
disco_nap_: Excellent show as always, Mark. Thank you for all you do! Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:53pm
cosmic matrix: great interview, mark! Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:53pm
cosmic matrix: although i did just hear the last bit of it. will listen in the archives.   6:54pm
paddy: Footage of drones hunting men and dropping grenades is horrific. I think any good human would be against them for anything other than reconnaissance. Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:55pm
Handy Haversack: Thanks, Mark, Daniel. Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:55pm
PaulRobeson1925:

↳ PaulRobeson1925 @6:50

& what is we want. We know we do not want war. So how do we bring about a loving society? Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:55pm
cosmic matrix: what wild times. Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:55pm
Bas NL: Thanks Mark! Thanks Daniel! Avatar 6:56pm
morphe': Thanks Mark and all ... Avatar 6:56pm
VantuckyEd: True horror. Like I said these villians will use them on Americans without reservations. Avatar 6:56pm
MarciB: Mark, you mean current occupants - plural. There are two monsters, alas. Supported by many more, Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:56pm
Spikey BXL: It is beyond words. 🇺🇦Слава Україні! Героям слава!🇺🇦

Thanks Mark and Daniel

Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:57pm
chresti: Thanks Mark and Daniel!   6:57pm
Sam: Thanks Mark! Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:57pm
Ken From Hyde Park: Thanks, Mark & Daniel. What's the Techtonic marathon premium, a doomsday clock? Heh. Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:57pm
PaulRobeson1925:

↳ Ken From Hyde Park @6:57

A SAFER alternative. Perhaps?

Thank you Mark & WFMU & Dan

Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:58pm
bleubombersune: Mark thanks for the info all stay safe and be well   6:58pm
?: Thank you for this show, all your work, and your all-too-true comments about the state of our politics. Thank you! Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:58pm
newton:

↳ Ken From Hyde Park @6:57

iodine pills Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:58pm
chresti: As long as you play this at the end I'll maybe be able to sleep Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:58pm
egould: Thanks Mark. Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:59pm
Ken From Hyde Park:

↳ newton @6:58

I need a suit of tinfoil body armor. Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:59pm
PaulRobeson1925:

↳ PaulRobeson1925 @6:57

Not in the German sense of the word - make safe. I mean genuine peace, baby

Bring about peace rather than away from horror

Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:59pm
Mark Hurst: Thanks, everyone - be well. Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:59pm
chris in the redwoods: thanks, Mark! Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:59pm
chresti: After I finish dancing Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:59pm
Webhamster Henry: Moreover (Freed Of Every Flaw) by Jennifer Walshe & Wobbly is an album up from their Cafe Oto show that has a few pieces that could be played on this show. Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 7:00pm
Will thee SG OCNY: Thank you Mark Hurst!!! Avatar 12:11am
joe_rosevear: Well, that was a grim interview!

Thank you, Mark and Daniel

  11:27am
jbrudolf: "The War in Ukraine Was Provoked—and Why That Matters to Achieve Peace"

https://www.commondreams.org/opinion/the-war-in-ukraine-was-provoked-and-why-that-matters-if-we-want-peace