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Techtonic with Mark Hurst | WFMU

"Muskism" authors Quinn Slobodian and Ben Tarnoff: Techtonic with Mark Hurst When is it OK to use AI?: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Julie Scelfo, founder of Mothers Against Media Addiction (MAMA): Techtonic with Mark Hurst Andrew Guthrie Ferguson, author, "Your Data Will Be Used Against You": Techtonic with Mark Hurst Starlink and Kessler Syndrome, feat. astronomer Samantha Lawler: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Cindy Cohn, author, "Privacy's Defender": Techtonic with Mark Hurst Evan Selinger and Albert Fox Cahn, authors, "Move Slow and Upgrade" from Apr 6, 2026 Dystopia update: good news edition from Mar 30, 2026 Janet Vertesi, founder of the Opt Out Project from Mar 23, 2026 A visit to Repair Cafe El Barrio from Mar 16, 2026 Marathon week 2 w/cohost Jesse Jarnow from Mar 9, 2026 Marathon week 1 w/cohost station manager Ken Freedman from Mar 2, 2026 Celebrating 400 episodes of Techtonic from Feb 23, 2026 Chris Gilliard on Amazon’s admission that Ring spies on us from Feb 16, 2026 Peter Dear ("The World As We Know It") and how we interpret AI from Feb 9, 2026 AI is spreading where it doesn't belong from Feb 2, 2026 Peter Schmidt on the book "Attensity" by the Friends of Attention from Jan 26, 2026 Paul Bradley Carr, author, "The Confessions" from Jan 19, 2026 Lora Kolodny from CNBC on Grok's sexualized images from Jan 12, 2026 Ken Freedman and Mark discuss the year ahead from Jan 5, 2026 Tim Wu, author, "The Age of Extraction" from Dec 29, 2025 The Ghost of Christmas Tech Anxieties - Sara Clemens and Stu Horvath fill in, with guest Adam Allsuch Boardman from Dec 22, 2025 The first annual Creepy Awards from Dec 15, 2025 Noah McCormack from The Baffler: "We used to read things in this country" from Dec 8, 2025 Amateur radio is a superpower: Thomas Witherspoon from Dec 1, 2025 Citizens are being forced to pay for Big Tech data centers, feat. Pat Garofalo from Nov 24, 2025 How low can the tech oligarchs go? from Nov 17, 2025 Paul Mozur on the spread of data centers from Nov 10, 2025 Aram Sinnreich, co-author, "The Secret Life of Data" from Nov 3, 2025 Widening inequality and Big Tech surveillance, feat. Dan Currell from Oct 27, 2025 Filmmaker Amanda Hanna-McLeer on the Luddite renaissance from Oct 20, 2025 The protest against smartphones, with Logan Lane from Oct 13, 2025 AI and surveillance keep spreading: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Megan Greenwell, author, "Bad Company: Private Equity and the Death of the American Dream": Techtonic with Mark Hurst Glenn Adamson, author, "A Century of Tomorrows" from Sep 22, 2025 Joseph Weizenbaum warned us about AI 50 years ago (feat. Faine Greenwood): Techtonic with Mark Hurst Milestones for Big Tech... and Techtonic: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Cory Doctorow, author and journalist: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Webb Keane, author, "Animals, Robots, Gods": Techtonic with Mark Hurst If/Then/Else - Sara Clemens and Stu Horvath fill in, with guest Brendan Keogh: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Adam Becker, author, "More Everything Forever": Techtonic with Mark Hurst Three emerging dystopias: money, water, and truth: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Duncan Moench on "soylent screens" and producerism: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Ed Park, author, "An Oral History of Atlantis": Techtonic with Mark Hurst Daniel Solove, author, "On Privacy and Technology": Techtonic with Mark Hurst Burn Hollywood Burn - Will AI save the movies? Dan Morfitt fills in with guest John Ashbrook: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Compulsory surveillance and other threats: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Lori Emerson, author, "Other Networks": Techtonic with Mark Hurst Unveiling our new theme song by Kirk Pearson, and Big Tech alternatives: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Matt Warwick fills in for Techtonic with Co-Host HurstBot: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Emily M. Bender and Alex Hanna, authors, "The AI Con": Techtonic with Mark Hurst David Greenwood, author, "The Cloud Intern": Techtonic with Mark Hurst Surveillance scholar Chris Gilliard on Facebook's spy glasses: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Discussing "Careless People" by Facebook whistleblower Sarah Wynn-Williams: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Sybil Derrible, author, "The Infrastructure Book": Techtonic with Mark Hurst Dan Morfitt and Mark Hurst discuss dystopian movies: Techtonic with Mark Hurst The Defunding of Public Radio with Jesse Walker, Uri Berliner and Sue Matters: Techtonic with Mark Hurst John Warner, author, "More Than Words": Techtonic with Mark Hurst Sue-Lin Wong and online scams: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Emergency surveillance update: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Liz Pelly, author, "Mood Machine": Techtonic with Mark Hurst Ben Snyder, author, "Spy Plane": Techtonic with Mark Hurst Marathon week 2 w/cohost Matt Warwick: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Marathon week 1 w/cohost station manager Ken Freedman: Techtonic with Mark Hurst AI and the future of war – with "Flash Wars" director Daniel Wunderer: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Nick Couldry, author, "The Space of the World": Techtonic with Mark Hurst August Lamm: you don't need a smartphone: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Supervillains in tech – with Greg Epstein, Chris Gilliard, and Jim Starlin: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Welcome to the oligarchy: on Big Tech's government takeover: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Kirk Pearson, author, "Electronic Music From Scratch": Techtonic with Mark Hurst Stone carvers Chris Pellettieri and Arissa Ramoutar: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Ken Freedman and Mark Hurst listen to AI: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Andrew Smith, author, "Devil in the Stack": Techtonic with Mark Hurst Guest host Don Fleming: Musical Tech: Naughty or Nice?: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Our year of surveillance: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Arvind Narayanan, author, "AI Snake Oil": Techtonic with Mark Hurst Nicole Kobie, author, "The Long History of the Future": Techtonic with Mark Hurst Technology we're thankful for, from listeners: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Astronomer Samantha Lawler on Musk's space junk: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Guest host Station Mgr Ken interviews David Suisman on music and the military: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Dystopia update: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Members of the Luddite Club: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Christopher Brown, author, "A Natural History of Empty Lots": Techtonic with Mark Hurst Silkie Carlo, director, Big Brother Watch: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Tim Schwab, author, "The Bill Gates Problem": Techtonic with Mark Hurst What if no one wants AI?: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Helen Phillips, author, "HUM": Techtonic with Mark Hurst Even more devices are spying on you: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Carl Öhman, author, "The Afterlife of Data": Techtonic with Mark Hurst Guest host Alan on Rancho Mastatal : Techtonic with Mark Hurst Paula Bialski, author, "Middle Tech": Techtonic with Mark Hurst Google antitrust decision party: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Jon Leidecker, aka Wobbly, on Negativland and fair use: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Tech and the sandwich generation: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Guest host Brian D. on disinformation with Kirsten Eddy and Alex Mahadevan: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Generative AI and the "cesspool internet" – with Jason Koebler: Techtonic with Mark Hurst How it started, how it's going: revisiting the warnings of the past: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Carissa Véliz on digital ethics: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Byron Tau, author, "Means of Control": Techtonic with Mark Hurst Listener questions: Techtonic with Mark Hurst
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2024-10-15 · via Techtonic with Mark Hurst | WFMU

Listener comments!

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: Mark! Techtondversaries!
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Handy Haversack: Mark! Hell Techs!
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mackeral: hey all!
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Bas NL: Hi Mark & friends!
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PaulRobeson1924: Hi HiHi
  6:03pm
David (in London): Evening Mark and all assembled Technoids.
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Ken From Hyde Park: Good, I have a nice appetite for this show tonight! Glory to Ukraine!
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Will thee SG OCNY: Good evening Mark Hurst and all!!!
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tim: Hello Mark! I'm looking forward to tonight's interview.

Hello everyone!

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Ciggy: Is Vic There
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Peter from Saranac Lake NY: Hello Mark and techies.
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DjLorraine: Hi
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Spikey BXL: Hi Mark.

🇺🇦Слава Україні! Героям слава!🇺🇦

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joe_rosevear: Hi, people!
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Webhamster Henry: Hi Friends!
  6:10pm
Mattynotimes: I really love your stated position before interview. Thank you for explaining it so elegantly and Informatively
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PaulRobeson1924: Why War?
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Handy Haversack:

↳ David (in London) @6:03

Evening, David.
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Mark Hurst: Hi ultra, Handy, mackeral, Bas, PaulR, DiL, KfHP, WtSG, Tim, Ciggy, Peter, DjL, Spikey, joe_r, webham, Mattynotimes, PaulR - thanks for joining this evening.
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chresti: Hi Mark and techtonicians!
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Mark Hurst: Welcome, chresti
  6:15pm
Bea: Good evening, Mark! Thanks for covering this.
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Cooh John: Hello Mark and techtons.
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Mark Hurst:

↳ Bea @6:15

Hi Bea, thanks for joining :)
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Ken From Hyde Park: Our good buddy Elon Musk is aiding and abetting the invaders by allowing them to use his "Tsar Link" satellite internet service.
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Mark Hurst:

↳ Cooh John @6:15

Welcome, Cooh John
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PaulRobeson1924: Recall the German “A-B Aktion”

To murder any intellectual opposition to Nazi rule in Poland- before the invasion & war began

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tim: Did Yaroslav say Boris Yeltsin warned Zelenskyy about the invasion?
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Spikey BXL: "I don't need a ride, I need ammunition"
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Mark Hurst:

↳ tim @6:16

No - UK prime minister (at the time) Boris Johnson
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Spikey BXL:

↳ tim @6:16

No, a former Ukrainian President, if heard correctly
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PaulRobeson1924: HELP ME CLAY
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tim:

↳ tim @6:16

I'm not being a wiseacre, just that's what I thought I heard.
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Mark Hurst:

↳ Spikey BXL @6:16

I think it was the former Ukr president who warned Yaroslav... it was Boris Johnson who suggested to Zelensky that he might go into exile. (Johnson didn't warn Zelensky about the invasion)
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tim:

↳ Spikey BXL @6:16

Thank you.
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Spikey BXL: Don't move now, but if the situation interests you, please add BBC's Ukrainecast to your podcast dial.
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tim:

↳ Mark Hurst @6:18

Thanks, Mark.
  6:19pm
traven:

↳ PaulRobeson1924 @6:16

The Polish nation was occupied by the Germans longer than any other nation during WWII. The Polish people suffered accordingly.
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Rolando: Greetings friends, at last I’ve made it here after some time, been listening to all the past shows in archives, looking forward to learning lots.
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Folsom: I can't figure out that the Russians put so many land mines in Ukraine to stop the Ukraine forces. I wonder if they will remove them if they keep eastern Ukraine.
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PaulRobeson1924:

↳ PaulRobeson1924 @6:16

No english equivalent word for this German word “Aktion” - meaning roughly operation/action group

A-B Aktion

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Spikey BXL:

↳ PaulRobeson1924 @6:24

Very similar to the domestic night of the long knives where the SA was beheaded.
  6:28pm
advdk: The narrative that is being pushed here is so deeply biased that it would take a couple of hours of history lessons to only have the smallest possibility for an honest discussion. Do these Pullitzer and Orwellian prize winners not have enough platform for their bootlicking propaganda already. Shame on you WFMU.
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PaulRobeson1924: Help me Clay
  6:33pm
troll exposed: 🙄🙄 advdk
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Peter from Saranac Lake NY:

↳ advdk @6:28

Bots have arrived at Woof Moo.
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PaulRobeson1924: Why War? What is it that War accomplishes? C. Wright Mills
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joe mulligan:

↳ advdk @6:28

be nice or write your own book
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Spikey BXL:

↳ joe mulligan @6:37

A tzarist fairy tale to justify a brutal and illegal war of aggression
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Matty No Times: I always love a extremely vague retort that holds no real information, only accusations haha
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PaulRobeson1924: I wonder, what are these boys eating? The ones doing the killing and dying

Why war

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Handy Haversack: It's just wild that the right-wing meme factory and propaganda wing has swung SO HARD on this one. A couple of years ago, sentiment seemed pretty universal in the right and center-right wings of American political discourse (i.e., mainstream politics). That it has shifted so hard against support for Ukraine seems very much wedded to the Russia-loving MAGA takeover being complete on the farther right reaches. Just still shocks me how complete and total it has been. Since when do American politicians not want to send weapons? Sending weapons is pretty much what modern American politics is all about.
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chresti:

↳ Rolando @6:19

Hi Rolando!
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Deano de los Muertos: Howdy Mark. I’ve been trying to avoid Amazon, but that didn’t stop one of their speeding, distracted drivers from crashing into my car.
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Spikey BXL: Thank you Yaroslav

🇺🇦Слава Україні! Героям слава!🇺🇦

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Ken From Hyde Park:

↳ Handy Haversack @6:43

I think "follow the money" may have the clues we need.
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tim:

↳ Handy Haversack @6:43

I'm right with you. I'm genuinely baffled.
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Handy Haversack:

↳ Ken From Hyde Park @6:45

Ha, no doubt!
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PaulRobeson1924:

↳ PaulRobeson1924 @6:36

C. Wright Mills, Church and Times Sq…
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coelacanth∅: Thanks Mark! Thanks Yaroslav!
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Handy Haversack: Robot head check:
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Handy Haversack:

↳ Handy Haversack @6:49

Grrrrrrrrrr. Icon Lag!
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tim: In Russia, Elon Musk buy you.
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Spikey BXL:

↳ Handy Haversack @6:49

Russian cyber attack
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PaulRobeson1924: Mark! What other radio station allows the GListeners to express themselves with joy and true freedom!? Our Friendship society is strong and worth a pledge to keep alive!
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Handy Haversack:

↳ Spikey BXL @6:51

I also blame Russian hackers for my hair loss and weight gain. They got their fingers in a lot of pies!
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PaulRobeson1924: I’m cleaning my bathroom bowl!
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coelacanth∅: if we had a real government they'd have taken piece-of-shit musk's control away from his company.
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Handy Haversack: Thanks, Mark!
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Ken From Hyde Park: As mentioned in a previous show, the Starlink satellites are screwing up Earth-based astronomy and risking Kessler syndrome.
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Handy Haversack:

↳ coelacanth∅ @6:52

If we had a real government, we definitely wouldn't have a real government!
  6:54pm
Fredericks: corporatism
noun
Political / Economic system in which power is exercised through large organizations (businesses, trade unions, their associated lobbying efforts, etc.) working in concert or conflict with each other; usually with the goal of influencing or subsuming the direction of the state and generally only to benefit their own socioeconomic agendas at the expense of the will of the people, and to the detriment of the common good.
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tim: Thank you, Mark!
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chresti: Thanks Mark!
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Bas NL: Thanks Mark & Yaroslav!
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DjLorraine: Since a free democratic country was surprised attacked without a reason i was certain my aquaintence in CT would understand my concern. Somehow he was spouting disinnformation about Ukraine. I tried to explain different aspects of this war but his opinion was already formed. Saddly it did effect my perceived friendship.
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Spikey BXL: Дякую Yaro & Mark
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mackeral: THANKS MARK
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Mark Hurst: Thanks, everyone!
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?: Cannot see how to pledge on your page
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coelacanth∅: there are countless teslas here. douchemobiles, i call them.
i guess because the zombies have been duped into thinking they're doing something good for the environment.
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coelacanth∅:

↳ Handy Haversack @6:53

true that!
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mackeral: iCars
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bleubombersune: Mark Thanks for another informative show.. All stay safe and be well
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Handy Haversack:

↳ coelacanth∅ @6:57

Was it on Techtonic that I learned that Tesla makes most of its money not on car sales but on selling the carbon credits it earns by making electric cars to regular car companies so that they don't have to try?

And then of course selling the data.

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Mark Hurst: Thanks, everyone!
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Ken From Hyde Park:

↳ @6:57

Try this here: pledge.wfmu.org...
Thanks, Mark & Yaroslav.
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Mark Hurst:

↳ Deano de los Muertos @6:44

Oh no, Deano! Hope you're OK.
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Will thee SG OCNY: Thank you Mark Hurst!!!
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Deano de los Muertos:

↳ Mark Hurst @6:59

I am thanks, the car slightly less so.
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DjLorraine: Thanks Mark!
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coelacanth∅:

↳ Handy Haversack @6:58

i didn't know that... but of course he would.
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kevinInStowMA:

↳ Ken From Hyde Park @6:59

Thanks, Ken