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Listener comments!

Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 5:54pm
: Mark! Techtucksers! Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:01pm
Deano de los Muertos: Oh, hi Mark Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:02pm
Bas NL: Hi Mark! Musk up, all! Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:02pm
ultradamno: Went to see Obsession last week and for the first time noticed one of these warn...no, that's too strong, meek statement of preference maybe at the end of the credits. At least I know they tried to keep AI from creating nightmare wish sticks. www.techspot.com... Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:02pm
Ironside: Hey Mark! Hey everyone! Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:04pm
joe mulligan: Hi all! one important thing to think about. often times people will safe WFMU is a safe space, which it is, but with AI searches anything on the comments board is searchable. so anything you say on the board here you may want to avoid sharing too much personal stuff Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:04pm
chresti: Hi Mark and markers! Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:06pm
Mark Hurst: Hi ultra, Deano, Bas, Ironside, joe, chresti - welcome! Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:07pm
tim: Hey Mark and gang! Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:08pm
Mark Hurst: Welcome, tim Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:09pm
Mark Hurst:

↳ joe mulligan @6:04

Good point. Yes - anything on a public site is liable to be hoovered up for AI training & analysis, and forever storage, by various Big Tech firms. Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:09pm
DjLorraine: Greetings Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:09pm
ultradamno: His "son dying from the woke mind virus" often cited as a tipping point Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:10pm
Ken From Hyde Park: Hi, Mark and nomuskers. If there's a petition to deport Elon Musk, I'd readily sign it. Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:10pm
joe mulligan: speaking of Ford-isms, I learned yesterday that Ford pushed square dancing into american culture - and it was based on a rascist agenda Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:10pm
Mark Hurst:

↳ ultradamno @6:09

Yes, the "woke mind virus" is mentioned several times in the book - including the likely origin, where Musk got that phrase. Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:11pm
Mark Hurst: Hi DjL & KfHP Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:11pm
joe mulligan: "Industrialist Henry Ford popularized the form, believing that Jews invented jazz as a plot to corrupt society and that this plot could be counteracted by returning America to dances and musical styles that he saw as traditional and white. As a result, beginning in the early 1920s, he used his wealth to promote square dancing, through books and square dancing events. Ford also promoted square dance classes in public school, which were present in half of all American schools by 1928 as part of the standard physical education curriculum. Modern western square dance evolved in square dance events funded by Ford, using direction and guidance prepared by Colorado school superintendent Lloyd "Pappy" Shaw" Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:11pm
DjLorraine: I never saw the fascination with him. Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:21pm
ultradamno: Sky pollution www.yahoo.com... Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:25pm
ultradamno: Ebola www.msn.com... Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:29pm
joe mulligan: Musk is not insane, he's insanely greedy Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:31pm
Cooh John: Another peeling back the layers of transnational busines--shadow government/the deep state--running the world. Government and politics acts as a shield for the elites. Just sayin'.   6:31pm
Sherman: Killer show!   6:31pm
Sherman: Great show! Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:32pm
Cooh John: 🙋🏻‍♂️ DjLorraine. Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:35pm
ultradamno: As he got way, way, way wealthier he became way, way, way angrier sounds like a description of any 19th century robber baron in a novel Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:37pm
PaulRobeson1926: Good interview Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:39pm
Mark Hurst:

↳ PaulRobeson1926 @6:37

Thanks, PaulR Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:39pm
Ken From Hyde Park: I don't have a link at hand, but I recall a news item the other day that all but three refugees allowed to enter the US last year were from South Africa. Elon Musk is from South Africa. Coincidence? Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:39pm
joe mulligan: they speak stupid to their undereducated fans which there are many of in the US. then they're seen as both relatable and smart by that audience/fanbase Avatar 6:39pm
Beast of Boonton: Disagree with a WFMU DJ's opinion and get banned for life.
Sad but true Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:39pm
DjLorraine:

↳ Sherman @6:31

🙋Cooh John. I enjoyed those last videos you sent me. Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:40pm
Mark Hurst:

↳ Ken From Hyde Park @6:39

The book draws out a number of South Africa connections - not just through Musk but through other members of the "PayPal mafia" Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:40pm
Ken From Hyde Park:

↳ Ken From Hyde Park @6:39

White South Africans, I must add. Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:41pm
Deano de los Muertos: Interesting and depressing interview, Mark 😁 Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:41pm
Mark Hurst:

↳ Deano de los Muertos @6:41

Glad to hear it delivers on both counts! Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:42pm
joe mulligan:

↳ Beast of Boonton @6:39

light disagree Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:43pm
disco_nap_: These Tech Bros love to distract us from the rampant labor and environmental issues with AI infrastructure that are ALREADY HERE by asking us to imagine AGI destroying us Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:43pm
Mark Hurst:

↳ disco_nap_ @6:43

exactly Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:44pm
bleubombersune: let's hope Ilona Mush follows the example of James Woods in Videodrome Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:45pm
disco_nap_: Finished Atlas of AI (highly recommend!), onto Empire of AI!   6:45pm
Robby:

↳ disco_nap_ @6:43

too true. I was written out of last quarter's budget and jobs available to me: teaching aI to improve its interactions with humans. nah thanx   6:46pm
NON-SEQUITUR MAN: George Michael was of Greek extraction? Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:47pm
disco_nap_:

↳ Robby @6:45

Sorry dude that is so nauseating 🤢   6:48pm
Marie de Chicago: Great show, again, Mark. Hi All! Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:48pm
Mark Hurst:

↳ Marie de Chicago @6:48

Hi Marie, and thanks Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:49pm
Bas NL: A positive point to make is that people are learning and wising up to the hype of big tech. Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:50pm
Mark Hurst:

↳ Bas NL @6:49

Yes! The data center protests are a good sign of that happening.   6:51pm
Robby: that's the gig economy, work is here today gone tomorrow   6:52pm
Marie de Chicago: I just cancelled Prime... Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:53pm
Handy Haversack: Thanks, Mark! Dug the show while cleaning up from gaming! Avatar 6:53pm
Listener Bop Monroe: thank you guys, that was very informative and well presented.   6:53pm
GC in Bmore: Great to hear this chat.   6:54pm
Marie de Chicago: a sycophant of government who resents paying taxes Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:55pm
Bas NL: Thanks Mark! Thanks Quinn & Ben!
And i'm not so sure Musk has a long business future.. Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:56pm
Deano de los Muertos: Thanks Mark! Good hopeful note ending   6:56pm
Marie de Chicago:

↳ Bas NL @6:55

Hi Bas! Would love to know why you think that... Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:56pm
chresti: Thanks Mark!   6:57pm
kevlicki: Oh! I forgot to share a fellow traveler in Portland wrote about making art and organizing with the DSA against data centers in Oregon

https://justseeds.org/rally-against-data-center-disasters/

  6:58pm
Marie de Chicago: Thanks, Mark and authors!   6:58pm
Bay Ridge Danny: Thanks Mark! Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:58pm
Bas NL:

↳ Marie de Chicago @6:56

There's just so much BS that can be consumed. People do draw lines. Enough is enough. Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:58pm
ultradamno: News From Babel to come! Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:58pm
bleubombersune: Thanks Mark, Quinn & Ben All stray safe and be well Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:58pm
tim: Thanks, Mark! Great interview!   6:59pm
Marie de Chicago:

↳ Bas NL @6:58

True dat. We can hope and that I could really see that.. Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 7:00pm
Ken From Hyde Park: Thanks, Mark and guests. Eat more ketamine! Avatar Swag For Life Member 7:00pm
Mark Hurst: Thanks, everyone!   7:01pm
mdashkin: There are quite a few book titles that have used the Maimonides "Guide for the Perplexed" in a sort of jokey way. They probably saw it second hand.