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Techtonic with Mark Hurst | WFMU

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ultradamno · 2025-02-18 · via Techtonic with Mark Hurst | WFMU

Listener comments!

Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 5:58pm
: Mark! Techtonturnians!   6:01pm
David (in London): Evening Mark and all Technoids assembled. Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:01pm
ultradamno: Hey, in italics! I feel urgent! Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:01pm
hectic: hey there mark and techies! this is techtic signing on! Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:01pm
Bas NL: Hi Mark! Hi all! Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:01pm
Handy Haversack: Mark! Techyons! Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:02pm
tim: Hi Mark! Hi everyone! Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:02pm
Will thee SG OCNY: Good evening Mark Hurst and all!!! Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:03pm
Deano de los Muertos: Hi Mark! Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:03pm
Deano de los Muertos: peeps Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:04pm
Ken From Hyde Park: Hi, Mark & Techtrobes! Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:04pm
ultradamno: I've been listening to the Chopping Mall soundtrack a lot this week. I suggest some of it for this show, being THE killbot music. Avatar 6:04pm
tak: POWER. Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:05pm
Ciggy: re: Social Media - I'm not connecting with anyone or anything lately   6:05pm
Listener Robert: In the context of this show? Social media is this comment pane. Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:05pm
ultradamno:

↳ ultradamno @6:04

waxworkrecords.com... Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:06pm
David Shortell:

↳ ultradamno @6:05

I never heard of that flick until I saw it on the MOVIES! network a half hour ago. Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:06pm
ultradamno: Like having a president who is addicted to it? Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:07pm
Will thee SG OCNY:

↳ ultradamno @6:04

#Bigly Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:07pm
ultradamno: It's a fun movie! Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:08pm
Ken From Hyde Park: Nick's previous show — www.wfmu.org... Avatar 🤖 6:09pm
herb.nyc: Oh boy. We’re gonna learn social media is even worse?

Someone fb’d this, but I didn’t click. Fyi:

The Guardian is done. They signed a deal with OpenAl and are letting hundreds of journalists go. The Broligarchy is here. Read Carole Cadwalladr

US COUP GAINS SPEED
BROLIGARCHY.SUBSTACK.COM
US Coup Gains Speed

Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:10pm
DjLorraine: Evening y'all Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:10pm
ultradamno: Last night Steve Martin remarked he had been relaxing on his yacht in the Gulf of Steve Martin Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:11pm
ultradamno:

↳ herb.nyc @6:09

Well, they might make good on their promise to never bend to Trump...if the bots are programmed that way. Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:12pm
Mark Hurst: Hi ultra, DiL, hectic, Bas, Handy, Tim, wtsg, Deano, ciggy, Robert, tak, DjL, David, Ken, and Herb! Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:12pm
ultradamno: I like that the robot emoji alone is in italics Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:12pm
Webhamster Henry: Hi Friends! Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:12pm
Webhamster Henry: WFMU social space is still safe! Avatar 6:13pm
MarciB: Looking forward to getting this book now - just from the intro ! Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:14pm
Will thee SG OCNY:

↳ Webhamster Henry @6:12

We still get the occasional trolls 🧌🧌🧌 but overall it's 99.9% safe Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:18pm
ultradamno: Go cybertruck, go broke www.msn.com...   6:20pm
red_door_whar_for in ypsilanti: loving this conversation ᕦ⁠(⁠ò⁠_⁠ó⁠ˇ⁠)⁠ᕤ Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:21pm
Mark Hurst: Thanks, red_door - and hi, Marci! Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:23pm
Webhamster Henry:

↳ Will thee SG OCNY @6:14

We don't have ads, surveys, and cookie permissions pop-ups smacking you in the face either. Marathon's coming up, folks, that's what makes it possible! Avatar 6:23pm
MarciB: Why can't all this power and money be used for good - or to at least not make things worse? Avatar 6:24pm
MarciB:

↳ Webhamster Henry @6:23

Looking forward to all the marathon fun - and happy to donate again! Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:28pm
Bas NL: I think the internet reveals how people are in general when in a hurry. Nothing strange or unregulated about it. Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:28pm
PaulRobeson1925: The internet is a larger flop than the moving image Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:28pm
TheDerek:

↳ MarciB @6:23

No profit in that arena. Tesla has become the gold standard of american innovation. Ewok Musk wants to make beat the record of 12 parsecs on the Kessler run. Instead of throwing money into Space, why not develop technology for Cancer research? Always my question Avatar 6:29pm
tak: "the internet made us stupid" Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:29pm
Will thee SG OCNY: Thanks for nothing Broligarchs Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:30pm
Webhamster Henry: Yeah, social media is an accelerant. Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:31pm
hectic:

↳ tak @6:29

yeah... Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:31pm
Will thee SG OCNY:

↳ Webhamster Henry @6:23

💯, I love this place... Donate, and donate often Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:33pm
TheDerek:

↳ tak @6:29

Quoting or making a statement?   6:34pm
?:

↳ TheDerek @6:28

controlling the population from space has more profit. curing cancer is not a priority because people are a resource that is just an inventory that is always turning over. Its welfare is irrelevant as it will renew itself. Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:34pm
NotARealDoctor:

↳ TheDerek @6:28

There's actually a lot of really important reasons for space research, including research about cancer done in space! But that's why it's important to keep that research publicly funded instead of turning it into the for profit ventures that Elon Musk and others are trying to use it for. Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:36pm
egould:

↳ tak @6:29

"We were always stupid. The internet made us stupid and mean." Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:36pm
Webhamster Henry: Sludge Content AND AI slop! Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:37pm
tim: Shouldn't what's his name rename the country and North America because they're named after a foreigner? Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:38pm
ultradamno: ...or deport his wife? Avatar 6:38pm
MarciB:

↳ TheDerek @6:28

I know, no money in positive engagement - rage and hate sell. It's so damn depressing. Toxic masculinity run amok (though plenty of women buy into this too). Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:39pm
ultradamno:

↳ ultradamno @6:38

...or his new best friend? Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:42pm
Mark Hurst: “Tools for Conviviality” by Ivan Illich Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:42pm
ultradamno:

↳ ultradamno @6:39

Rather than give him IRS taxpayer data abcnews.go.com... Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:43pm
TheDerek:

↳ NotARealDoctor @6:34

Not knocking Space Research, I'm an organic astronomer(amateur at best) & find great value in Space research. My point was more Rhetorical & disparaging Ewok Musk   6:44pm
?: https://arl.human.cornell.edu/linked%20docs/Illich_Tools_for_Conviviality.pdf Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:45pm
Webhamster Henry: Nick is describing ECHO. echonyc.com   6:46pm
red_door_whar_for in ypsilanti: leaving social media freed my mind and soul, but I've felt so out of the loop. finding wfmu has made me feel part of something beautiful and connected as I figure out how to navigate this weird tech bro dystopia / society (?). this conversation feels like coming full circle to me.

I miss old style comment boards!!

Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:47pm
Mark Hurst: Glad you’re with us, red_door Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:47pm
common:

↳ red_door_whar_for in ypsilanti @6:46

i miss land lines and payphones Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:48pm
TheDerek:

↳ MarciB @6:38

If I was in the position Ewok was in, I would be narcissistic in wanting to be THE GUY who developed technology aiding in reducing or flat out eradicating diseases Avatar 6:48pm
MarciB: I miss the 90s before smartphones and when social media was in its infancy and not destructive (yet) Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:49pm
ultradamno: external-content.duckduckgo.com... Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:49pm
Webhamster Henry: The trick is to build the new, safe, federated system (it needs groups, you developers...) and then use an AI bot to suck your social network into it from wherever it is now.   6:49pm
red_door_whar_for in ypsilanti: coincidence, Ive got a twin peaks ambience video going in the background with hot coffee, and making myself a cup too. cheers!

I pine for the coffee shop social vibe. meet me at the coffee shop. ☕☕

Avatar 6:50pm
tak:

↳ TheDerek @6:48

billy gates already played that one Avatar 6:50pm
tak: very good, thanks Nick   6:50pm
wimpy: Old school forums still exist but they’re typically much slower than somebody who’s used to twitter and stuff would be ok with   6:50pm
Subpope: Great interview. We are cooked. Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:50pm
Art: Maybe mentioned earlier, but Diaspora and Friendica are free open source, non-commodified social media platforms available now. Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:51pm
ultradamno: bsky.app... Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:51pm
tim:

↳ MarciB @6:48

Me too. I've been thinking about that a lot lately. I've never been a nostalgic person so it's been weird for me to long for the 90s. I know I am for the reasons you just mentioned plus it was the last time I remember not having a constant feeling of dread.   6:51pm
red_door_whar_for in ypsilanti: wfmu feels like my geocities. I kinda missed the geocities boat but I pine for it !! 🌲 Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:51pm
Deano de los Muertos: Thanks Mark and Nick…another fine interview Avatar 6:52pm
leshwatt: Social vs anti-social media

We are far from innocent now unfortunately.

Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:52pm
Webhamster Henry:

↳ wimpy @6:50

The slowness is not a bad thing. Also, more doom-scrolly front-ends can be written for these systems for those who are not from the command line BBS era of social networking. Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:53pm
TheDerek: I grew up ignorant on computers. Antique restoration does not need lithium Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:54pm
joe mulligan: I struggle real hard trying to delete FB/IG. i have so many connections there. but I do use both of them less. the social media I love the most is my bike club slack group and the wfmu comments board, becasue they're closed private groups Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:54pm
hectic: thank you mark, i love your show! this is techtic signing off   6:54pm
red_door_whar_for in ypsilanti:

↳ wimpy @6:50

I'm tryna get in the loop ! I have a few I visit for specific things but idk anyone who would put me onto forums anymore. I also see ppl digging bluesky Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:54pm
egould: WFMU accu playlist and comments is the only online interaction I have. Get off social media. Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:55pm
TheDerek:

↳ joe mulligan @6:54

I did it & I'm doing fine. Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:56pm
tim: Thanks for the much needed humor, Mark! Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:56pm
Webhamster Henry: If you want a really lousy experience, turn on the voice assistant and go to a site that has lots of comments. Avatar 6:56pm
tak: eyes rolled back so hard i can see the creases in my brain Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:57pm
ultradamno: But....the gummy ads! Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:57pm
Ken From Hyde Park:

↳ ultradamno @6:18

<Nelson Muntz> Ha ha!
Thanks, Mark!   6:57pm
red_door_whar_for in ypsilanti: it sounds like a joke but i know way too many people who talk like they're tweeting💀people have forgotten how to speak earnestly Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:57pm
joe mulligan:

↳ TheDerek @6:55

everyone has different social maps and methods of communicating. I should say I only use FB messenger but IG is hard to shake Avatar 6:57pm
tak:

↳ Webhamster Henry @6:56

did you know youtube is forcing AI dubs on different dialects in some countries? it also ruins the sound of the video. Lousy lousy Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:57pm
DaveMiß: Nice work mark Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:58pm
Will thee SG OCNY: Thank you Mark Hurst!!! Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:58pm
Bas NL: Thanks Mark! Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:58pm
bleubombersune: Mark Thanks Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:58pm
PaulRobeson1925: Ho Ho Ho Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:58pm
Webhamster Henry:

↳ tak @6:57

that and the automated transcriptions... Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:58pm
tim: Thanks Mark ! Thanks everyone for keeping the chats enjoyable! Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:58pm
egould: Thanks Mark.   6:59pm
red_door_whar_for in ypsilanti: great show!! will be revisiting and sharing Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:59pm
TheDerek: Are knuckledraggers (me) allowed on here? Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 7:00pm
tim:

↳ TheDerek @6:59

I'm allowed here if that helps - hahaha!   7:00pm
red_door_whar_for in ypsilanti: I remember when scrolling icanhascheezburger was the pinnacle of the Internet 💀👴 Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 7:01pm
Webhamster Henry: Fun as always!