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Ken! Techyon Particles!
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Hi SMK, David, and all
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Hey Staysh and crowd
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Hey David and Ken!
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Hello Ken and techies!
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I'll be happy to get this book!
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Hello Ken! All!
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Sound the reveille! 🎺
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Hi Len and techtonicians !
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Scholarly press -- very nice.
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Guns, Germs & Steel ...
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Warm greetings one & all!
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brown sound
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I hope the book covers the difference between the military music budget is vs. everything from public broadcasting and other federal cultural budgets.
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Hello friends!
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<prepares for 45 minutes of bagpipe talk>
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hello
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Ruby Ridge
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Also highly recommended: Dave Mandl's detailed review of David's book in The Wire
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WW II had the famous "Ghost Armies" that used recordings of battle to confuse the enemy!
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жеи goes right to the audio torture. Shocker.
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Ken From Hyde Park @6:04
once again, the police have too much power with their superior bagpipe acumen
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Oops, that was my ringtone in the background, doH!
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Ken From Hyde Park @6:04
I thought it would be all Aeolian harps.
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I still think that performing in a USO tour would have been satisfying work.
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Webhamster Henry @6:03
there's your answer, sort of
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Dano59 @6:05
Yep!
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propaganda $$$
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Webhamster Henry @6:06
Like a lawyer, never ask a question you don't already know the answer to....
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Handy Haversack @6:05
I don't know, but I've been told!
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I was lucky in high school, somehow our band director got the Marine Corp brass quintet to our small high school - class sizes of 60-70.
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Joshua fit the battle of Jericho
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Ken From Hyde Park @6:06
I believe I chant that later in the show tonight
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-жеи @6:07
Well I'm all in now
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It would be cool to go to the Edinburgh Royal Military Tattoo.
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surprised no mention of brown sound which i believe was used on protesters sometime in the 60's 70's
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Folsom @6:10
I was in earshot of it once at the Edinburgh Fringe Fest—I felt perversely drawn in, and by perversely I mean absolutely.
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armistice day, and kurt vonnegut, jr.'s birthday
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1 out of every 4 southern men killed in the war of secession
1 out of every 6 northern men killed in the war to bury treason and slavery in the same grave
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didn't tesla experiment with sound waves taking down a building? maybe he needed to use an uncle josh cylinder to make it happen
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Tom Lehrer's So Long Mom (I'm off to drop the bomb) :
www.youtube.com...
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So...battle of the bands?
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COLUMBIA ANNOUNCES 2004 BANCROFT PRIZE WINNERS
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For the first time, the awards ceremony will include recognition of the recipient of the Bancroft Dissertation Award, which supports the publication of a Columbia doctoral student’s dissertation. This year’s winner is David Suisman, who received his doctorate in history and whose dissertation, “The Sound of Money: Music, Machines and Markets, 1890-1925,” explores the birth of music as big business in the United States...."
library.columbia.edu...
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dale @6:12
Didn't mythbusters try to do that by trying to resonant a bridge?
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tom tom the pipers son @6:10
brown note may be legend...
www.wired.com...
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Did opposing bands take turns so as not to step on each other's music?
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i think the po-po are using the same psychology now with their noise toys, er, sirens. they've added a low-pitch accompaniment that does not have any positive effect in getting people to move out of the way, but from a distance sounds very scary/sickening. it's solely used to instill a general fear in the population.
and they use their sirens the entire distance for miles and miles at 5am when there are no other vehicles on the road.
definitely not using them for safety reasons. they're using them for the same reason the government has infantalized the masses. (quite successfully)
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Folsom @6:10
I will not be going to the Edinburgh tattoo
Because to me a parade of weaponry
And the capacity to hurt
Is as pleasing as dog dirt
On the shoe
It may be taboo to you to poo-poo the tattoo
But to me the tattoo is something to say ta-ta to!
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Folsom @6:13
didn't really watch that so can't answer....
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dale @6:12
Tesla felt that he could blow the planet apart with resonant sound waves travelling through the crust of the earth
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dale @6:12
i think he actually did damasge a manhattan building with oscillating sopund waves
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-жеи @6:07
That's the fact, Jack!
youtu.be... 🪖
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Woody Allen has a good joke about the military bands in “Love and Death”. There’s a battle going on and there’s not just a band but cheerleaders and a guy selling popcorn. Woody Allen’s one of the cheerleaders with pompoms and a t-shirt that says Russia on it.
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Webhamster Henry @6:12
Nice one WhH ...
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-жеи @6:14
You can't prove he was wrong!
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-жеи @6:14
it's only a matter of time 'till musky experiments with that
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Sam @6:15
"He will go, and he will fight. And I hope they put him in the FRONT lines."
"My mother, folks."
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it's pretty obvious. low pitches cause vibrations.
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coelacanth∅ @6:16
Well all pitches ARE vibrations, but lower notes can travel through solid objects much better than higher notes
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Handy Haversack @6:16
Yeah so much gold in that movie. I like when the angel comes to tell him he’ll be pardoned, but then he gets so cocky about it that the angel lets him die.
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slave songs/ military songs...strange bed fellows?
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Sam @6:17
I think I say, "Naturally, the war affects the herring trade" at least once a day.
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Also in the great, great Sgt. Bilko (Andy’s version). “I can barely move my legs / do me a favor kill me now”
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Handy Haversack @6:19
Nice
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-жеи @6:17
Oh wow… The Great Pyramid
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Handy Haversack @6:19
And "We can say it. I don't know what it means, but we can say it."
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-жеи @6:17
true. i think that's why the new toy the cops have is so disturbing. it has more of a physical effect - rather than just a sound to alarm you to move out of the way.
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According to a relative who was there, after the Anschluß a whole lot of Viennese Jews (and half-Jews and quarter-Jews, almost all of them baptised) entered the Foreign Legion and were sent to Dakar. Because they had no particular preparation, arrived all at once, and had spent a good chunk of their lives (as my relative said) sitting in cafés and arguing, they didn't prove very good soldiers at all. However, they seemingly had all been trained in music, quite well, so the commandant formed them into an orchestra which played every Sunday for those soldiers who were uninterested in attending Mass.
My relation, for whom Sundays were the only time off from the extremely hard régime of Légion life came to _love_ classical music as a result.
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Handy Haversack @6:19
“Sex without love is an empty experience.”
“Yes, but as far as empty experiences go, it’s one of the best.”
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"This is my rifle
This is my gun
one is for fighting
one is for fun."
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strikes me that the rhythms in slave songs have a striking similarity to military chants
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tom tom the pipers son @6:21
Yes the very term "Jody calls" is derived from slave songs
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-жеи @6:22
oh u huh
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Great subject and interview.
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Alcohol also helps people get past their aversion to killing. Lots of armies would get their troops nice and drunk and angry.
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Ken, did you set this up through the U Chicago Press's Publicity Dept. or approach the author on your own? Professional curiosity!
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Tom from Stirling @6:21
"My Bag's too heavy..
My Belt too tight..
My balls are swinging
from left to right...
Sound off
1-2 ...."
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Sam @6:25
And meth helps also.. the Nazis used the hell out of meth for their soldiers during WW2. The US did the same thing but they used Benzedrine instead of Meth
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"Soviet nerve gas is subtle. It leaves no room for rebuttal."
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I have A-LOT of Connie Francis albums
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Handy Haversack @6:25
I set it up directly with David Suisman
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Sam @6:21
Less funny in retrospect:
FATHER ANDREI : I have lived for 87 years, and the best thing in the World is... Blonde 12 year-old girls!
SONJA : Father!
FATHER ANDREI: Two of them, whenever possible.
At least it's presented as being reprehensible….
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Handy Haversack @6:25
David Suisman was an FMU dj at times???
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Bob Hope USO memories:) Noel Coward performed a lot of shows for British troops during WWII.
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my father said he saw marlene dietrich in a uso show in germany but he was so far away he couldn't really see her.
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morphe' @6:28
Yes, David still fills in from time to time - his archives and playlists are here:
wfmu.org...
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-жеи @6:22
a strange dovetailing of the slave songs reflecting repetitive dynamic of work, but derived from african music and the military chants reflecting the repetitive mechanics of war derived from the manufacture of arms (?)
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morphe' @6:28
Yup, he had a regular program for years. I had no idea he was a professor!
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morphe' @6:28
Yep! Inner Ear Detour
wfmu.org...
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Yeah. And he is a priest, so it’s legitimate parody.
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same for me at woodstock, dale. i was there, but in california.
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Cambodian Surf was a direct result of the AFVN spill over ....
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-жеи @6:29
Ahhhh, gotcha.
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Radio First Termer:
wfmu.org...
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Charlie don't surf and we think he should.
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"Good Morning Vietnam" came across to me as more as a vehicle for Robin Williams to do his schtick than to accurately portray Adrian Cronauer.
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The military were huge customers for record labels during cassette and CD heydays. They wouldn't buy until a title was really big but when they dinally did buy it was in big numbers - with no returns! A big plus for labels.
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Many radio shows are still around because of V-Disks!
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IT WAS 20 YEARS AGO TODAY
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the dallas cowboy cheerleader scene in apocalypse is redone (VERY well) by aldous harding in her video for the song 'blend.'
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Wasn't the military also the main producer of 16 RPM records?
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-so we can credit those movies with romanticizing soldier life.
commendable. (not)
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The real story would’ve made a dull movie.
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Percy Faith, Perry Como, Mantovani were big in Nam
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-жеи @6:26
According to "Blitzed", the British tested cocaïne, methedrine, dexedrine, and benzedrine, and found dexedrine the most effective with the lowest incidence of psychosis as tested.
It's likely just these pre-Gleichschaltung times, but an hour past a woman in some Christmas-y television advertisement looked just like an housewife in a 1940[?] Pervitin ad.
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i think there was some coverage of the use of music in the iraq war, i believe used in actual battle and in tanks creating a video game psychosis. ...moving closer to the video game illusion in drone warfare...i believe heavy metal was used
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Handy Haversack @6:33
I don't think 16 RPM (which was a books-on-record thing) as much as 16" transcription
disks!
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(Murakami Whywolf))) @6:34
Yeah, Blitzed is a great book! Hitler was hooked in speedballs for his final months
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Ahhh, right, OK!
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I have an (unofficial) LP of Sly & the Family Stone's 'Stand!' on the First label - widely availlable at PX's in Vietnam, as i understand. First copied/distributed a lot of the popular music of. the day, copyright be damned.
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i hope they get to iraq war
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Lee Greenwood lol...
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m.youtube.com...
1968 song FIRES OF NAPALM
“…We’re in the war and we don’t belong”
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Handy Haversack @6:36
Which the Navy liked to use as Clay Pigeons, no offense to any Clay Pigeons out there.
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Wasn't loud heavy metal music blasted all night at Guantanamo ?
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Tom from Stirling @6:37
All over the place, but definitely at Noriega in the panama siege and also David Kuersh
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PaulRobeson1924 @6:37
Pack up our forked tongues… pack up our boy soldiers and come on home…
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Arliss Howard quoting 'Good Morning Little Schoolgirl' as the Vitenamese hooker walks by in Full Metal Jacket may be my favorite war picture musical deep cut of all.
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Tom from Stirling @6:37
I thought that was done at Noriega in Panama.
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Hi Ken and Techtonic listeners.
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(use of hollywood to manufacture consent for exported violence)....watched abit of the first deadpool movie and the thought crossed my mind
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-жеи @6:35
If I recall the book accurately, he got off Morell's mixture the autumn before….
I surely hope some crony of the coming dictator winds-up, Morell-like, running a train-load of rotting animal glands ahead of a liberating army…I think Mr Miller or Mr Bannon right men for that job.
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Noriega enjoyed listening to Rachmaninoff in Prison
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Talk about projecting American power ...
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tom tom the pipers son @6:40
read David Sirota's book on the '80s and the use of military equipment in movies being OK as long. as the film had a patriotic/pro-military force message.
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i've owned several albums of military radio shows. i've sold most of them. (at least 1 to a military base)
hit songs of the time with a supposedly "hip" dj in-between. i doubt royalties were paid.
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Sounds like my kind of music! (Psyop helicopter music)
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Blasting Kenny Loggins anywhere( at any time) is cruel and unusual.
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Dano59 @6:41
interesting thx
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Webhamster Henry @6:42
That Vietnam war tape that David was describing is out there.. it's probably on YouTube
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true
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PaulRobeson1924 @6:40
Noriega has photos of the Shah’s wife waterskiing topless
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I'll DM him.... I obviously want to feed it to Suno and Udio..
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a place to park a missile
and watch some cable news
maybe rent the 'Top Gun' video
and grimace like Tom Cruise
- Peter Case, Wonderful 99
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it's to induce psychosis
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PaulRobeson1924 @6:43
At the time of course
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It was called "Operation Wandering Soul:"
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Operation Wandering Soul
www.twz.com...
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Have there been any bands called SERE?
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Ken I thought it was you who invented torture through music
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Air force uses the beatles “Happy Birthday” on repeat for 3 days? I can’t recall how long
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The book mentioned that Morell got his hooks into Hitler by curing his horrible flatulence using what would now be called a 'probiotic', Mutaflor[?], derived from the gut of the sole survivor of a cholera*-ridden German or Austrian unit on the Italian front.
*(quite possibly another digestive plague, diagnosis was very primitive back then, 'cholera' could be anything from cholera to salmonellosis to other food-poisoning)
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In training to see if they can Take It!
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war music enhancement---- > video games----. drone warfare
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Handy Haversack @6:46
Four, apparently.
www.discogs.com...
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PaulRobeson1924 @6:47
And by "Happy Birthday," you mean "Birthday"
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Yes SIR!
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Super interesting chat, been listening while cooking. Thank you Staysh and David Suisman!!!
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Kind of like when some jerk decides to pull up and start blasting music outside your bedroom at 3 AM and you lie there wondering how long it will last.
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My father wrote the Meow Mix jingle. I assure you that was not his intention.
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watched a kubrick doc...a bit with drill sergeant in full metal jacket...fascinating person
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As I recall, it didn't work well, as their political commissars drilled strict atheism into them…and the world in which they fought was probably obviously devoid of any kind of decent god to all but the weak-minded.
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PaulRobeson1924 @6:49
I made a good torture version of Birthday:
jhhl.net...
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Meow, meow
Meow, meow
Meow, meow
Meow, meow
Meow, meow, meow, meow, meow, meow, meow, meow!
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Thanks Ken
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You want torture through music? Send in Professor Dum Dum.
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L’enfer, c’est les voisins.
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Please no cars4 kids jingles
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Major Winchester could afford a portable reel-to-reel.
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i saw a 'portable' edison wind up at an antique store. basically the motor and guts encloed in a very large heavy crate. it had military stenciling on the outside of the crate.
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i wonder if he got any royalties from the military
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Government *always* has access to new tech before the public
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tha nks ken and david great episode
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Will thee SG OCNY @6:52
1-877-Kars 4 Kids. Donate your kid today.
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I’m not sure which is worse, that or Kenny Loggins “Footloose” theme song from the movie sountrack.
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Thanks, Ken and David!
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Commercials are sold outright. Usually no royalties.
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The Electric light. The internet . Drones
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FMU's Kenny G was the most torturous FMU dj ever..
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Y'all are really really tempting me to throw on the Kars for Kids jingle after the interview
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PaulRobeson1924 @6:53
Smart Toilets
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Sam @6:53
That IS the worst.
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Absolutely!
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Maybe Dave has an eighteen-minute prog version?
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1 8 7 7 the year reconstruction “ended”
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That would be so sweet
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Ken knows about auditory tourture
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San Pedro Girl @6:53
Everybody cut!
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-жеи @6:53
I have a K4K remix which includes I'm falling and I an't get up...:
jhhl.net...
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Did 8 tracks make it to Vietnam?
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Handy Haversack @6:54
One can only hope not.
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So the "hep up-cool down" playlists work just like Muzak!
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the punk version of the food emporium theme is good.
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I assume by "torturous" you mean "best."
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Great show. Congrats, David! Thx, Ken!
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This has been fascinating. Thank you!
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I figured the protocol to end a show about military music would be to play Taps.
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Thanks Ken!
Thanks David!
...are we having any inner-ear detours coming up?
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Great discussion..really enjoyed. Thanks Ken & David!
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That was the torturous Tom Scharpling = "The Best Show"
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I can't believe we didn't touch on the Over the Shoulder Saxhorn!
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Thank you--fascinating interview, and an entire hour long!
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So I pre-ordered the book through Bookshop.org!
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Great fill-in Ken!
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Thanks Ken! Thanks David!
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Great discussion. Thanks David and Ken.
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PaulRobeson1924 @6:53
Our boys are not getting enough Omega 3’s!
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Thanks, -жеи & David.
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Thank you again David and Ken!!!
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Not to rank-out Mark Hurst, but I always like best the installments of Techtonic Ken hosts.
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(David Suisman's show:
wfmu.org...)
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That was fascinating! And appropriate for WFMU, home of radio audio torture!
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Most Thankful for Electric Light!!!
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Listener Robert @6:59
Ken excels at everything
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sump pumps ARE way up there for me....
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Never underestimate the Wheel!
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Thanks Ken!
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I'm thankful for the electric spoon.
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I’m thankful for can openers
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I'm thankful for canned beans. 🫘
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I'm thankful for this show—thanks жеи & David.
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If I could open the cans and scoop them up in some manner, I'd be in business! 🥄