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Mark Techtonective Thorns!
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Mark, technophobes.
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Hi Mark and techtonians!
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Techtonic Green is PEOPLE!
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Hi Mark! AI squeezers!
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Hi Mark and Techtachyons
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new theme has grown on me
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"Ask not what technology can do for you, ask what technology can do to you!"
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"Mark's intro"
in re: the Image here, this is always appropriate:
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Good evening, Mark and fellow Techtons!
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Hola. Will Soylent Memes be the next thing?
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hi all!
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Hi ultra, Peter, chresti, webham, Bas, Deano, KfHP, Bea, herb, cosmic!
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Greetings Mark and Duncan and all
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the book “other networks” by lori emerson is amazing!! she was a past guest i believe.
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<— (this picture is in it)
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Hey Mark, hey Everybody! Love this topic and it does give me hope. I def want to see this publication.
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cosmic matrix @6:12
It's already in a second printing!
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happy Bastille day people :D
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Lori Emerson episode:
www.wfmu.org...
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Good Evening Mark & Techtonians!
Grim (yet not surpring) tech news: Google just announced that it's making its Chrome browser a staple feature for all devices operating on the Android OS, perhaps suggesting that Google is seeking to buy out the rights to the Android name.
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Yes happy Bastille Day!
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Re: internet addiction crisis:
internetaddictsanonymous.org
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hoeg @6:14
The MAGAts sure chose the perfect day to revolt!
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“Smartphone has its own smartphone” (stolen from the onion’s “Starbucks so big it has its own Starbucks”)
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Hello Mark, Duncan Moench, all
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@herb.nyc haha!
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makes sense to be on a phone…when i lived in the city i used to bring a book or zine or something to read…cause otherwise it’s like, do you want to make eye contact and contact? usually, not… :)
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that’s on the subway, i meant to say. but all these other instances, YIKES
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You could hollow out a book and have your phone in it?
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Bas NL @6:21
that would be slightly better!
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cosmic matrix @6:20
I like to look/stare at people
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A real pet peeve of mind is when people have conversations on the train with thier phone on speaker
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also at shows, everybody taking videos with their phones nowadays….takes you out of the moment…although, if you brought out a pixelvision camera or super8 or something then it would be cool i guess? differenly quality of engagement. not throwaway.
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chresti @6:23
big respect. i mean, sometimes, but that’s a lot of energy!
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Mark! All! Been wrestling with bathroom shelf technology heretofore.
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This is pretty much the observation and conversions my husband and I have on a daily basis.
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Handy Haversack @6:24
Welcome, Handy(man)
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"Efficiency" is one of those hand-wavy words, applicable as a universal excuse.
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Ike @6:17
Yet another organization Trump could threaten to defund, if he chose to.
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Ok. But they’re still letting most of us work from home a few days a week.
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We often work from home and if there's time we'll go for a walk after lunch. We've made a game of keeping track of all the phone zombies we see.
And if I share the contents of this interview with friends, I'm the one who's paranoid and over-reacting. Sigh.
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The writer I couldn't think of is Charlie Stross. More info in the links on this page.
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MarciB @6:27
Keep observing, keep sharing - you're the sane one
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MarciB @6:27
Now you know what we're fighting against: The power of AUTHORITARIAN-INDUCED BRAINWASHING!
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Listening, it's raining really hard right now
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Where I work most people don’t work very hard and everyone knows it. Spying on people would accomplish nothing. They’d have to fire the whole company. I think in many skilled industries workers still have a lot of power.
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Yes
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2nd Gilded Age
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I know quite a few people who have given up social media and some others who basically barely use a computer
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PaulRobeson1925 @6:32
with moving images
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not nice to play music if others are on the trail! unless it’s wfmu of course. jk
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cosmic matrix @6:35
Imagine if someone was hiking a trail and used their Bluetooth speaker to blast this Techtonic interview.
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I love the modern boomboxes , turn them up
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Such is the power of Napoleon's butt
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Marx also discussed this in great detail lol
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did marx not put work first as well? isn't that the core of what describes as value?
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Mark Hurst @6:36
I get annoyed when I’m walking in a beautiful place in awe of the scenery, lost in my thoughts in the quiet, and I pass a couple people talking about their taxes or their stock portfolio. And I’m just like what? Why are you here?
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Hey: it's been all downhill after we left acoustic recording around 1925
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Mark Hurst @6:36
that’s funny.
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Webhamster Henry @6:40
I remember when CD’s came out people were saying the advantage is they would “last forever”.
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Defining it that way makes no sense. Work is what we don't do unless we get paid for it. Alone, it has negative value. If you're doing something because you like it, that's play.
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Webhamster Henry @6:13
cool, that’s well deserved. it’s so good!
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Sam @6:42
I think the phrase was "Perfect Sound Forever" - well, if you keep copying them to avoid CD rot.
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but if you're a collage student you only have to remember it long enough to pass the exams.
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hey folks, hey Mark
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This physical book info is so interesting!
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this is why god created highlighters
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mackeral @6:43
welcome, mackeral
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Listener Robert @6:42
or a hobby or a personal interest. not work
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coelacanth∅ @6:43
(you don't have to actually learn anything)
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I think I kind of inherently try to read digital media faster than I do print
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Listener Robert @6:42
Hear, hear. There's a difference. It's all time trades.
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Hey taking notes, even as a "write only" note, that you never read, helps you remember. Something I'm doing now is reading aloud too. Not listening to an audio book, I am the audio book.
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What accounts for historical change?
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Reading on screens is so terrible, I still regularly print things out so I can read them on paper.
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we need women
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it's not work but you are working at it.
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I agree, there is no getting away from the fact that screens are lit, as one big difference
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i'm typing while i'm listening and going yeah...
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i remember LONG before zombiephones having to suggest to friends to not bring sound-pollution devices (in this case... ie: "boombox") on a day hike.
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I've always appreciated David Graeber's quote:
"The ultimate hidden truth of the world is that it is something that we make, and could just as easily make differently."
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Marie in Chicago @6:46
meant for Sam at 645
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Sam @6:45
isn't everyone here reading on a screen right now?
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Webhamster Henry @6:45
Yes, but I'm a slow writer. While I'm writing something, the speaker moves on to something else. The writing distracts me, so I take in a smaller volume of material.
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feedback on the feedback on the feedback.
great interview you guys!
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This is why we love Techtonic- guests who are able to say what we feel. Mark does it too. Yeah! thx!
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Won’t get more advanced because we will die off lol!
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Books I’d recommend on these ideas: The Technological Society by Ellul, Technics and Civilization by Mumford, and Tools for Conviviality by Illich.
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this guy is passionate and on fire! is he in politics? he should be!
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What needs to be done next will be the most difficult: abandon the current digital economy.
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Stop saying actually.
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Neil Postman’s Technopoly - we see culture sacrificed to technology
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All sorts of places have created alternative currencies:
en.wikipedia.org...
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Technics and Civilization by Mumford
Yes
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thnx zach
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The guest is really passionate, similar to Mark. Both are fighting the good fight.
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yes, but that doesn't mean it's not terrible.
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Mark is almost a god
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Ithaca Hours are just an updating of Josiah Warren's Time Store.
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The problem with keeping the fly wheel going perpetually are taxes.
There aren't taxes on the Ithaca Hours, which is why you can keep spending them.
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Duncan needs a beer to calm down.
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Excellent show ! Thanks for bringing these great people in Mark ! Gonna check out Duncan’s work
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We have a very unsuccessful local currency here in the Mid-Hudson, the HV Current
hudsonvalleycurrent.org
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I’m pretty sure Ma x talked about all this including the stuff about labor giving us meaning, and I agree he believed that it was more in the past and the future was inevitable industrial, but to him the most important thing was that the workers be in control of how technology is used, and when you talk away private profit motive then you would eliminate all the destructive technology. Idk about this “Producerism” but plenty of great anarchists have come up with essentially the same critiques of both Marx and capitalism. Murray Bookchin is a great one, he is the theorist that the Kurdish autonomies zone in Rojava Syria based their eco-feminist economy on. Some places it’s called “Horizontalism”, or anachocommunism, it also exists in Chiapas with the Zapatistas, in Spain during the 1930’s civil war, the details may vary in the details but it all is based on the same principles as what this guy is saying.
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duncanmoench.com...
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that was a great interview.
btw greeting from Rt23A in Tannersville NY. pretty quiet up here actually.
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Listener Bop Monroe @6:49
No problem, Bob! I hope you and yours are well.
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Listener Bop Monroe @6:51
Did you gat the big thunderstorm like we had in Kingston?
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castor @6:51
Hear, hear! Thanks, castor.
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Thanks Mark. Thanks Duncan.
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That's like the right wing in the US seeing corruption everywhere
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we have all 4 to stop and look at.
and yes. an umbrella day still
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zachary @6:53
I have recently read and enjoyed some of the essays in Anarchy in Action by Colin Ward.
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Also read “The Dispossessed” by Ursula K. Laguin as it describes an anarchist economy and social structure
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castor @6:54
I'll check it out. Thank you again, castor.
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www.msn.com...
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yeah…clocks mess with my head
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Thanks, Mark & Duncan. Fight on!
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Good Grief It's The Great Global Down Trodden Proletariat, Charlie Brown!
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Webhamster Henry @6:52
Funny, but not funny.
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thanks for the book recommendations…great interview tooooo…thanks mark
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Thanks Mark!
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Thanks Mark, Duncan, and listeners!
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how can you do that while using the internet
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chresti @6:23
Thanks Mark! Thanks Duncan!
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Thanks Mark and Duncan most informative
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Thanks Mark!
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Thanks as usual, Mark! As Tom from Stirling mentioned, you keep fighting the good fight!
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I successfully abandoned Amazon during the heavily promoted Prime Day or Week or whatever it was.
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Great interview!
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are we not aware of the irony of the past hour...? i mean....
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Thank you Mark!
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Thanks, everyone!
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this was great DJMH. til next week, b safe all!
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Bas NL @6:57
(Didn't mean to stare at you chresti..)
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Thanks Mark. This was a great one. My mind is stimulated.
