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6:03pm
Wendy del Formaggio:
Can I be a Taco Bell Distinguished DJ? I don't know if I want to be a professor.
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6:04pm
Art:
I am starting to think the amounts of electricity and water needed to run large-language-model pseudo-intelligence search engines mean they collectively constitute a giant, inadvertent euthanasia machine for modernity, guaranteeing catastrophic ecological collapse.
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6:05pm
The Butterman:
This should be good. Fast forward to Mark’s disgusted, maniacal laughter at the absurdity!
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6:06pm
cosmic matrix:
“AI!” the sound one makes when jumping off a cliff
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6:07pm
Jeff Moore:
I can't wait for this generative-"AI" hype bubble to burst so we don't have to put up with everydamncompany trying to shoehorn some whiff of something they can call "AI" into everydamnproduct.
Please, can the AI-hypebros and sad cryptobros all just pile into a Cybertruck and go for a Thelma and Louise ride?
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6:07pm
Kid Kennedy:
Hot off the presses - article just published in the NYT "Will A.I. Be a Bust? A Wall Street Skeptic Rings the Alarm" Head of Goldman Sachs stock research.......www.nytimes.com...
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6:07pm
mndave:
I have friends with differing politics, but one thing we agree on is "no one asked for any of this crap"
6:08pm
joe_rosevear:
I have a nickname for Copilot. I call him "Dory". You know, like Dory from "Finding Nemo".
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6:09pm
Jeff Golick:
Hi all. Re that LinkedIn/AI piece Mark lists on the playlist, here's a WaPo article on how to turn off the AI harvesting: www.washingtonpost.com...
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6:09pm
coelacanth∅:
the local shoprite stupidmarket here has a roaming customer annoyer that gets in the way and makes juvenile noises a la that idiotic robot in star wars (which was my first clue that there was no reason to ever see that movie) ...like a robot can be cute.
6:10pm
Fredericks:
So, those stalks are artificial Artificial Intelligence?
6:10pm
MarciB:
I had to shut down a convo online re: a supposed "unseen" vintage photo of Margaret Bourke White on a ledge of the Chrysler Bldg. It was clearly generated by AI. The "Margaret" in the photo was holding a digital hasselbald! But that didn't stop ppl from thinking it was real. MBW took amazing photos and did shoot from the Chrysler Bldg (popping out of a gargoyle, and I don't know who took that famous 1932 photo of her). But this crappy AI photo wasn't her - and I was surprised that folks fell for it.
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6:13pm
Webhamster Henry:
AI in specialized cases is saving lots of time. Don't pretend it can do everything ... but for really boring stuff, like ETL, [ suno.com... ] I bet it's going to keep a lot of living people happier because this super dull boring work will be done by non-humans.
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6:13pm
Bas NL:
I'll settle for old school intelligence.
6:14pm
MarciB:
Funny, Apple seems to think their AI will sell more phones - and it's jammed into their latest OS
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6:19pm
dale:
companies have been looking for free ideas/creative for quite a while. doing advertising shootouts with multiple agencies and only paying the winner, crowdsourcing, using youtube/instagram crap with a lot of views....and now this. i'm sure it translates to any industry.
Yet another thing which just makes me think the timeline we're living in is being written by really hacky writers who can't differentiate between plausible and ridiculous.
LOL at your name. I grew up 10 min from there and my dad worked there from before the accident until retirement. Eager to ask him what his reaction to this news was
true, i hate pitch work its basically free work for clients. i use AI a lot in pitchwork to spend less time on it since its not paid anyway.
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6:21pm
Wendy del Formaggio:
Okay, I'm going to now mention a good use of AI that I use at work. It might be the only good use, so take note.
One of my jobs requires me to take official minutes for a municipal board meeting. Some changes have happened for the worse on this board, and their meetings are dreadful. I don't attend the meetings; I watch Zoom recordings to take my notes to draft the minutes. Zoom offers a transcript, which I'm sure is AI-generated. It's not perfect, but it does allow me to scroll through and get the gist of the meeting so I can listen to just the parts I need. It's hugely helpful and saves me a lot of time.
But, I still don't think it's worth keeping AI around. It's not the only solution to my problem.
I guess the reason I always opt out of Zoom AI is wondering who else gets to use that transcript. I don't think they'd provide it for free to you if that were its only use case.
6:22pm
Andres:
This “AI will fix everything” bit is the best ever!!
6:23pm
MarciB:
Does anyone have a good instance of AI in medical screening? Asking for a friend..
I was actually trying to get to the transcript that Zoom's "AI Companion" is summarizing, just to get the transcript. They do a good job hiding it, in fact it's not available.
Nope! NYT's privacy policy? Not for the likes of me.
6:24pm
joe_rosevear:
Let me say that just yesterday I had a technical question about HTML. I was working on my webpage. I tried using a search engine, but got nowhere. It was a hard question.
So I explained my question to Pi (an AI chatbot). He knew the answer and explained it to me. And he helped me with some related questions.
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6:26pm
Ken From Hyde Park:
I understand tech companies that pledged to become carbon-neutral are going the other way. They're using more energy and other resources with their AI processor warehouses.
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6:26pm
The Butterman:
Tomorrow, students in my high school have to swipe into the building and into the bathroom. At least I no longer have to enter it into a spreadsheet with last name, first name, time in, time out. Spreadsheets are fucking horrible!
Next steps, urinalysis a.i.
Good point. It's definitely an ethical dilemma for me and I think about it a lot. Is there another solution, aside from waiting until one of my other two employers offers me more hours so I can quit this job? I think my solution might be an analogue one I started using many months ago when doing this particular task. It's called "drugs."
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6:27pm
fred:
Also, AI is mostly BS, and I work in the field.
There are people studying the ecological impact and trying to reduce energy demands of AI. But why think when brute force is at hand?
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6:27pm
mrdonutsu:
Let's say you want AI to generate you a ten minute video.
And let's say it costs the AI company $5 of compute power, electricity, etc. to generate just one single instance of that ten minute video.
How many "free tries" does the AI company then give you to get the result you want, and what do they charge you for the for the video you get at the end to actually make a profit?
Even with the relatively simple still image tools available right now, it's all operating at massive losses because the market would not actually pay what it takes AI do the job.
if the medical mafia...the 3 PARASITIC "pharmacy benefit managers" that control most of the doctors now and virtually all the prices of pharmaceuticals are any indication, i'll say no, none.
I had a routine screening done recently - and noticed that "AI" has been included in the X-ray. I have to go back for additional screening. We'll see if there's an issue or it's a false positive from AI.
6:30pm
Carla in NC:
To all this AI nonsense I say, Feh.
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6:33pm
mrdonutsu:
This is just crap pretending to be AI.
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6:33pm
Wendy del Formaggio:
Maybe gym owners will buy these smartdumbbells so they can fire personal trainers who help make sure your form is correct.
so, the "doctors" (who's primary function now seems to be to refer you to other doctors) don't need to know how to interpret an x-ray now?
... if not now, it will be soon. "ai" will do it. flawlessly i assume.
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6:35pm
Webhamster Henry:
Good Old LinkedIn - or some bot using LinkedIn's API, created about a dozen employees for me who all get lots of email offering them jobs and loans. Great names, too! like Elviria Faux, Kia Banks, Cinde Smith, Beryl Samuels , Jamar Woods
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6:35pm
Ike:
Thanks, I just switched off that setting on LinkedIn.
6:35pm
MarciB:
LinkedIn - well Reed Hoffmann is on there touting his digital avatar! To much acclaim too. It's totally bizarre.
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6:36pm
The Butterman:
Up, down, up , down, up, down (Arnold voice)
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6:36pm
mrs.bucci:
the funny thing is most of those "LinkedIn influencers" are using AI to write their essay long content anyway, so AI being trained on AI in an infinity loop of blahhh
The main site is, but the playlist pages have Google Analytics crap on them.
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6:39pm
Webhamster Henry:
It's fun to get a little news update instead of the usual interview!
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6:39pm
Handy Haversack:
Mark, 2025 premium idea: T-shirts and membership cards for the John Backflip Society. "Since 1316!"!
6:41pm
R:
I blatantly refuse AI whenever I can. I think it's dangerous and the unproductivity is because it's basically as smart as a baby.... Right now...
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6:41pm
Richy4619:
Count me amongst the Don't ever want AI crowd
↳
Song:
"Fun, Fun, Fun" by "New Riders Of The Purple Sage"
not as good as Carl Stone's version
6:43pm
821:
AI is not the answer, we should be investing in humanity
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6:43pm
tom tom the pipers son:
from what's been related on the chat, even if a.i. blankets us, the blanket will fray pretty quickly by not meeting existential needs
Ugh, they sure do. I just put my own playlist landing page into Blacklight. The response: It's otherwise clean but... "Blacklight detected this website sending user data to Alphabet, the technology conglomerate that encompasses Google and associated companies like Nest. The Silicon Valley giant collects data from twice the number of websites as its closest competitor, Facebook. "
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6:44pm
Jeff Golick:
I found this, from Rob Horning's substack, to be another angle on [the terribleness of] AI that resonated: "we are all now forced to stop taking for granted what the fact of communication used to automatically convey. This means that generative models don’t save any work in aggregate; they at best redistribute it, displacing it onto someone else"
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6:44pm
PaulRobeson1924:
Smart Can! soon! “You have a magnesium deficiency…”
“you have spent 50% longer on this smart can than the majority of yer peers”
“This smart can is able to analyze yer
Movements and confidently detail yer diet composed predominantly of zagnuts, cyber nuggets and tim Hortons. Please accept these coupons for such and such vegetable at so&o market. Please See coupons on back of teacher’s smart printer”
6:44pm
MarciB:
So Ellison wants the US to be just like China ?
yes there is the element of humans working for machines and machines working for super rich
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6:49pm
The Butterman:
Just watched the film, Demon Seed, last night. That shit was crazy!
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6:50pm
Ike:
I took a peek at that Goldman Sachs PDF. It's fairly damning by their standards. It basically boils down to, "Gosh, we're not really going to make any money on this crap, are we?"
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6:54pm
Dano59:
OK, I just went and switched off the Generative AI on my little-used LinkedIn account. Thinking about abandoning all networking platforms save for this one.
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6:56pm
i̺k̺e̺:
Wait, did you say Russia has put AI in charge of its nukes? Oh good. We are all doomed. Where are the end-of-the-world orgies? C'mon people, we're all going to die, let's have fun before we're vaporized.
6:57pm
MKT in Inwood:
We definitely don’t want an AI finger on the nuclear button, since AI gets confused about how many fingers there should be on a hand
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6:58pm
Ken From Hyde Park:
Drones with AI technology will fly over future battlefields and identify targets. They'll drop bombs on stuff or call in missile strikes. Terminator predicted this. Thanks, Mark.
AI is not here. It's mostly just a big scam. Listen to the show again, you didn't get it. Read the Goldman Sachs PDF linked here. Even they don't believe in it.
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6:59pm
Wendy del Formaggio:
Because of Mark's show about Google's AI fruit-search debacle, now I keep referring to them as "applums" and "bananums." Coconut remains unchanged.
6:59pm
Billybob:
↳
MKT in Inwood @6:57
Pooky Park on Youtube gets 3 thumbs up from me. If only all AI was always that much fun.
It's OK to be in denial. This is a big change, somewhat like the death of a friend. I will let you grieve.
Here is a book to read when you are past grieving and ready to go forward. I found it in our San Diego Public Library. It examines AI on many levels including "Chapter 5, Security and World Order" which is about this very problem of "AI pushing the nuclear button":
"The Age of AI, And Our Human Future". The well known Henry Kissinger is one of its three authors.
1:15pm
jbrudolf:
"A.I. Is Already Harming Democracy, Competition, Consumers, Workers, Climate, and More"
Listener comments!
: HUUPE?
This stuff is self-parodying.
ultradamno: Mark! Techtontrarians!
cosmic matrix: hallo hallo
David (in London): Evening Mark and all Technoids.
MarciB: Greetings all! Looking forward to the show and convo.
chresti: Hi Mark and techtonicians!
Bas NL: Ai, Ai, Ai... No! It's Mark Hurst! Hi AIsters!
Ken From Hyde Park: Mirror, mirror on the wall, why do we need AI at all? 🪞
Wendy del Formaggio: Hello Mark and friends! Totally psyched for tonight's show, but that's what I say every week. 'Cos it's true.
:-D
Triple G: Hello Mark and all
JeremyB: Hey Mark! Hum was a great recommendation. Loved it!
bleubombersune: Good evening Mark and pseudocrats
Wendy del Formaggio: Can I be a Taco Bell Distinguished DJ? I don't know if I want to be a professor.
Art: I am starting to think the amounts of electricity and water needed to run large-language-model pseudo-intelligence search engines mean they collectively constitute a giant, inadvertent euthanasia machine for modernity, guaranteeing catastrophic ecological collapse.
The Butterman: This should be good. Fast forward to Mark’s disgusted, maniacal laughter at the absurdity!
Peter from Saranac Lake NY: Mark. Techies.
Handy Haversack: Mark! Members of the Technical Diffi-Cult!
Wendy del Formaggio: Public Enemy 2024: Don't believe the huupe.
Peter from Saranac Lake NY:
↳ David (in London) @6:00
David! What's up?Spikey BXL: Thank you for shopping at Minority Report Inc.
Hi Mark
joe_rosevear: Greetings Mark and all!
cosmic matrix: “AI!” the sound one makes when jumping off a cliff
Jeff Moore: I can't wait for this generative-"AI" hype bubble to burst so we don't have to put up with everydamncompany trying to shoehorn some whiff of something they can call "AI" into everydamnproduct.
Please, can the AI-hypebros and sad cryptobros all just pile into a Cybertruck and go for a Thelma and Louise ride?
Strip from @[email protected] :
www.patreon.com...
Kid Kennedy: Hot off the presses - article just published in the NYT "Will A.I. Be a Bust? A Wall Street Skeptic Rings the Alarm" Head of Goldman Sachs stock research.......www.nytimes.com...
mndave: I have friends with differing politics, but one thing we agree on is "no one asked for any of this crap"
joe_rosevear: I have a nickname for Copilot. I call him "Dory". You know, like Dory from "Finding Nemo".
Jeff Golick: Hi all. Re that LinkedIn/AI piece Mark lists on the playlist, here's a WaPo article on how to turn off the AI harvesting: www.washingtonpost.com...
coelacanth∅: the local shoprite stupidmarket here has a roaming customer annoyer that gets in the way and makes juvenile noises a la that idiotic robot in star wars (which was my first clue that there was no reason to ever see that movie) ...like a robot can be cute.
Webhamster Henry: AI , AI , AI, AI!
Spikey BXL: NayI
Fredericks: So, those stalks are artificial Artificial Intelligence?
MarciB: I had to shut down a convo online re: a supposed "unseen" vintage photo of Margaret Bourke White on a ledge of the Chrysler Bldg. It was clearly generated by AI. The "Margaret" in the photo was holding a digital hasselbald! But that didn't stop ppl from thinking it was real. MBW took amazing photos and did shoot from the Chrysler Bldg (popping out of a gargoyle, and I don't know who took that famous 1932 photo of her). But this crappy AI photo wasn't her - and I was surprised that folks fell for it.
cosmic matrix: aye?
DjLorraine: Hello
cosmic matrix:
↳ cosmic matrix @6:10
nay!mackeral: here!
David (in London): Hey Peter, how are you my man?
Fredericks:
↳ Art @6:04
Seems quite possible that that is the case.Jeff Moore:
↳ Jeff Moore @6:07
"Please fill out this form before talking to me about this any more."The form is this checklist--
SELECT ALL THAT APPLY:
* PYRAMID SCHEME
* ENVIRONMENTAL CATASTROPHE
* LABOR VIOLATION
* MECHANICAL TURK
* ALREADY EXISTS BUT MADE IT WORSE
PaulRobeson1924: Hiihi
Webhamster Henry: AI in specialized cases is saving lots of time. Don't pretend it can do everything ... but for really boring stuff, like ETL, [ suno.com... ] I bet it's going to keep a lot of living people happier because this super dull boring work will be done by non-humans.
Bas NL: I'll settle for old school intelligence.
MarciB: Funny, Apple seems to think their AI will sell more phones - and it's jammed into their latest OS
Webhamster Henry: hah tht was supposed to be a Wikipedia link! not a Suno song! en.wikipedia.org...
Will thee SG OCNY: Hi Mark Hurst and all!!!
Fredericks: Pretty sure I sent Mark an article on this topic. If now, I intended to.
coelacanth∅:
↳ Webhamster Henry @6:13
many humans would prefer doing boring work to not being able to pay the rent and food billsKen From Hyde Park: Microsoft wants to restart the Three Mile Island nuclear plant to run an AI (mis)adventure.
prioritizing money & power∅:
↳ Ken From Hyde Park @6:17
it's worth the risks.-and i don't live anywhere near there.
Blobs: @Mark... PREACH!
dale: companies have been looking for free ideas/creative for quite a while. doing advertising shootouts with multiple agencies and only paying the winner, crowdsourcing, using youtube/instagram crap with a lot of views....and now this. i'm sure it translates to any industry.
Fredericks:
↳ Fredericks @6:16
"If not,"Jeff Moore:
↳ Ken From Hyde Park @6:17
Yet another thing which just makes me think the timeline we're living in is being written by really hacky writers who can't differentiate between plausible and ridiculous.mndave:
↳ prioritizing money & power∅ @6:18
LOL at your name. I grew up 10 min from there and my dad worked there from before the accident until retirement. Eager to ask him what his reaction to this news wasmrs.bucci:
↳ dale @6:19
true, i hate pitch work its basically free work for clients. i use AI a lot in pitchwork to spend less time on it since its not paid anyway.Wendy del Formaggio: Okay, I'm going to now mention a good use of AI that I use at work. It might be the only good use, so take note.
One of my jobs requires me to take official minutes for a municipal board meeting. Some changes have happened for the worse on this board, and their meetings are dreadful. I don't attend the meetings; I watch Zoom recordings to take my notes to draft the minutes. Zoom offers a transcript, which I'm sure is AI-generated. It's not perfect, but it does allow me to scroll through and get the gist of the meeting so I can listen to just the parts I need. It's hugely helpful and saves me a lot of time.
But, I still don't think it's worth keeping AI around. It's not the only solution to my problem.
coelacanth∅:
↳ mndave @6:19
i live close enough to be concerned (upstate)but even if i didn't. . .
Ken From Hyde Park:
↳ prioritizing money & power∅ @6:18
All the AI models point to "Yes, go right ahead!"dale:
↳ mrs.bucci @6:19
it was all of the 90s. one year that's all i did was fodder to get chewed up and spit out but was never intended to be produced. it was frustrating.Handy Haversack:
↳ Wendy del Formaggio @6:21
I guess the reason I always opt out of Zoom AI is wondering who else gets to use that transcript. I don't think they'd provide it for free to you if that were its only use case.Andres: This “AI will fix everything” bit is the best ever!!
MarciB: Does anyone have a good instance of AI in medical screening? Asking for a friend..
fred:
↳ Handy Haversack @6:22
Today's wordle should be super easy for you (if you do that thing)Bas NL: If anything as expensive as AI agrees with me i must be right.
Webhamster Henry:
↳ Handy Haversack @6:22
I was actually trying to get to the transcript that Zoom's "AI Companion" is summarizing, just to get the transcript. They do a good job hiding it, in fact it's not available.Handy Haversack:
↳ fred @6:23
Nope! NYT's privacy policy? Not for the likes of me.joe_rosevear: Let me say that just yesterday I had a technical question about HTML. I was working on my webpage. I tried using a search engine, but got nowhere. It was a hard question.
So I explained my question to Pi (an AI chatbot). He knew the answer and explained it to me. And he helped me with some related questions.
Spikey BXL:
↳ fred @6:23
Lol, my first 1Jeff Golick: How is it not hoopr.
Ken From Hyde Park: I understand tech companies that pledged to become carbon-neutral are going the other way. They're using more energy and other resources with their AI processor warehouses.
The Butterman: Tomorrow, students in my high school have to swipe into the building and into the bathroom. At least I no longer have to enter it into a spreadsheet with last name, first name, time in, time out. Spreadsheets are fucking horrible!
Next steps, urinalysis a.i.
Wendy del Formaggio:
↳ Handy Haversack @6:22
Good point. It's definitely an ethical dilemma for me and I think about it a lot. Is there another solution, aside from waiting until one of my other two employers offers me more hours so I can quit this job? I think my solution might be an analogue one I started using many months ago when doing this particular task. It's called "drugs."fred: Also, AI is mostly BS, and I work in the field.
There are people studying the ecological impact and trying to reduce energy demands of AI. But why think when brute force is at hand?
Art:
↳ Ken From Hyde Park @6:26
Plutocratic profit-production priorities prevail.mrdonutsu: Let's say you want AI to generate you a ten minute video.
And let's say it costs the AI company $5 of compute power, electricity, etc. to generate just one single instance of that ten minute video.
How many "free tries" does the AI company then give you to get the result you want, and what do they charge you for the for the video you get at the end to actually make a profit?
Even with the relatively simple still image tools available right now, it's all operating at massive losses because the market would not actually pay what it takes AI do the job.
coelacanth∅:
↳ MarciB @6:23
if the medical mafia...the 3 PARASITIC "pharmacy benefit managers" that control most of the doctors now and virtually all the prices of pharmaceuticals are any indication, i'll say no, none.Handy Haversack:
↳ Wendy del Formaggio @6:27
frinkiac.com...ultradamno: Blu-Ray players have wifi now...so it, the tv, the cable box, the speakers all streaming....
MarciB:
↳ coelacanth∅ @6:28
I had a routine screening done recently - and noticed that "AI" has been included in the X-ray. I have to go back for additional screening. We'll see if there's an issue or it's a false positive from AI.Carla in NC: To all this AI nonsense I say, Feh.
Handy Haversack:
↳ ultradamno @6:29
Sometimes I hit the wrong button on the remote, and the TV asks me if I want to connect it to the internet, and I always say, "TV, you so crazy!"The Butterman: Mark apparently doesn’t want to maximize his round ball game.
Wendy del Formaggio:
↳ Handy Haversack @6:29
:-DI definitely feel like Lionel Hutz when I get high and watch these meetings.
Fredericks: Won't the backboard be taking a beating? Sounds bad for the circuitry.
MarciB:
↳ Fredericks @6:31
Right? I'm so confused by thisHandy Haversack:
↳ Wendy del Formaggio @6:30
I love Frinkiac: themarkup.org...mrdonutsu: This is just crap pretending to be AI.
Wendy del Formaggio: Maybe gym owners will buy these smartdumbbells so they can fire personal trainers who help make sure your form is correct.
coelacanth∅:
↳ MarciB @6:30
so, the "doctors" (who's primary function now seems to be to refer you to other doctors) don't need to know how to interpret an x-ray now?... if not now, it will be soon. "ai" will do it. flawlessly i assume.
PaulRobeson1924:
↳ The Butterman @6:26
Smart turlit. All the higher ups want em. Say it will keep the kids health in check and scan the air for vaporized CiggarettsMarciB:
↳ coelacanth∅ @6:33
Ugh...not looking forward to this. I want a human to read X-rays!Wendy del Formaggio:
↳ Handy Haversack @6:33
NICE! Bookmarking themarkup.org now...MarciB:
↳ Wendy del Formaggio @6:33
You better believe it!Webhamster Henry: Good Old LinkedIn - or some bot using LinkedIn's API, created about a dozen employees for me who all get lots of email offering them jobs and loans. Great names, too! like Elviria Faux, Kia Banks, Cinde Smith, Beryl Samuels , Jamar Woods
coelacanth∅:
↳ MarciB @6:34
me too. in any case i hope you're okay.Ike: Thanks, I just switched off that setting on LinkedIn.
MarciB: LinkedIn - well Reed Hoffmann is on there touting his digital avatar! To much acclaim too. It's totally bizarre.
The Butterman: Up, down, up , down, up, down (Arnold voice)
mrs.bucci: the funny thing is most of those "LinkedIn influencers" are using AI to write their essay long content anyway, so AI being trained on AI in an infinity loop of blahhh
MarciB:
↳ coelacanth∅ @6:35
THanks - I'll be ok either way I think! Early detection courtesy of AI is ok by me. But not a false positive!fred:
↳ Handy Haversack @6:33
WFMU is pretty clean tootom tom the pipers son: has the reopening of 3 mile island to power microsoft's a.i. power demands been covered
Handy Haversack:
↳ fred @6:37
The main site is, but the playlist pages have Google Analytics crap on them.Webhamster Henry: It's fun to get a little news update instead of the usual interview!
Handy Haversack: Mark, 2025 premium idea: T-shirts and membership cards for the John Backflip Society. "Since 1316!"!
R: I blatantly refuse AI whenever I can. I think it's dangerous and the unproductivity is because it's basically as smart as a baby.... Right now...
Richy4619: Count me amongst the Don't ever want AI crowd
coelacanth∅:
↳ Song: "Fun, Fun, Fun" by "New Riders Of The Purple Sage"
not as good as Carl Stone's version821: AI is not the answer, we should be investing in humanity
tom tom the pipers son: from what's been related on the chat, even if a.i. blankets us, the blanket will fray pretty quickly by not meeting existential needs
Wendy del Formaggio:
↳ Handy Haversack @6:37
Ugh, they sure do. I just put my own playlist landing page into Blacklight. The response: It's otherwise clean but... "Blacklight detected this website sending user data to Alphabet, the technology conglomerate that encompasses Google and associated companies like Nest. The Silicon Valley giant collects data from twice the number of websites as its closest competitor, Facebook. "Jeff Golick: I found this, from Rob Horning's substack, to be another angle on [the terribleness of] AI that resonated: "we are all now forced to stop taking for granted what the fact of communication used to automatically convey. This means that generative models don’t save any work in aggregate; they at best redistribute it, displacing it onto someone else"
PaulRobeson1924: Smart Can! soon! “You have a magnesium deficiency…”
“you have spent 50% longer on this smart can than the majority of yer peers”
“This smart can is able to analyze yer
Movements and confidently detail yer diet composed predominantly of zagnuts, cyber nuggets and tim Hortons. Please accept these coupons for such and such vegetable at so&o market. Please See coupons on back of teacher’s smart printer”
MarciB: So Ellison wants the US to be just like China ?
tom tom the pipers son:
↳ Jeff Golick @6:44
right...a.i. doesn;t thinkMarciB: This sounds just like Dave Eggers' "The Circle"
Jeff Moore: And in more news involving that enthusiastic supervillain Ellison:
www.bloomberg.com...
Handy Haversack:
↳ Wendy del Formaggio @6:43
Time to talk to Ken!Jeff Golick:
↳ tom tom the pipers son @6:45
...leaving it up to people to figure out wtf is meant to be communicated by a machine.Art: On a happier note the stock DJT closed at an all-time low today.
Wendy del Formaggio:
↳ Handy Haversack @6:46
That's something listeners should raise with him, for sure.MarciB: Ellison and Project 2025. Seems like a perfect match.
MarciB:
↳ Art @6:47
I wanna see it hit rock bottom!Handy Haversack:
↳ MarciB @6:44
As Mark and his guest Darren Byler have pointed out, it's U.S. tech companies that helped China establish the Uyghir surveillance regimes.www.wfmu.org...
tom tom the pipers son:
↳ Jeff Golick @6:47
yes there is the element of humans working for machines and machines working for super richThe Butterman: Just watched the film, Demon Seed, last night. That shit was crazy!
Ike: I took a peek at that Goldman Sachs PDF. It's fairly damning by their standards. It basically boils down to, "Gosh, we're not really going to make any money on this crap, are we?"
MarciB:
↳ Handy Haversack @6:49
That was a horrifying but important episode. And seems like Big Tech is fine if that's where we're heading.cosmic matrix: even taking a bath while listening to this show is JUST NOT RELAXING
tom tom the pipers son:
↳ tom tom the pipers son @6:49
a new feudalismcosmic matrix: omg terrifying
cosmic matrix: we need that “freedom-loving” trump base to rally against this kind of stuff
MarciB:
↳ cosmic matrix @6:52
that would be remarkable but unlikely, sadly.cosmic matrix:
↳ MarciB @6:53
i agree, unfortunately.Wendy del Formaggio: Nuclear AI decision-making? What could possibly go wrong?
Nick K: Fail safe ring a bell
Jeff Moore: en.wikipedia.org...
Dano59: OK, I just went and switched off the Generative AI on my little-used LinkedIn account. Thinking about abandoning all networking platforms save for this one.
Nick K: Watch the movie
tom tom the pipers son: name the nuclear a.i. HAL
Wendy del Formaggio:
↳ Jeff Moore @6:54
Also, Cf. "Doctor Strangelove."cosmic matrix: holy sh*t
Jeff Moore:
↳ Nick K @6:54
Jinx!Nick K: Comiela will save us all
Dano59: or The Tommyknockers, on a more Grindhouse/apocalyptic scale.
The Butterman:
↳ Jeff Moore @6:54
On my list! Thanks.kevlicki: “Mister president we must not allow a mine shaft gap!….”
tom tom the pipers son: this trajectory is the last stages of cartesianism
i̺k̺e̺: Wait, did you say Russia has put AI in charge of its nukes? Oh good. We are all doomed. Where are the end-of-the-world orgies? C'mon people, we're all going to die, let's have fun before we're vaporized.
Handy Haversack: Bring it home, Mark!
Great episode. Many thanks!
cosmic matrix: spread the gospel, mark!!!! geez.
joe_rosevear: OK, OK. Granted, AI is awesome. AI could bring trouble. But what are you going to do about it? AI is here.
Do you think we can politely ask the whole world to knock it off?
Patrick S.: Good stuff Mark.
Bas NL: Thanks Mark!
Jeff Golick: Thanks for taking us to the brink of apocalypse, Mark!
bleubombersune: Mark thanks
coelacanth∅: Thank Mark!
PaulRobeson1924: “You have a magnesium deficiency…”
kevlicki: “Of course the whole point of a doomsday machine is lost if you keep it a secret!”
Germanium: WOPR
cosmic matrix: thank you
Wendy del Formaggio: Thank you, Mark!
chresti: Thanks Mark!
tom tom the pipers son: thanks mark...
MKT in Inwood: We definitely don’t want an AI finger on the nuclear button, since AI gets confused about how many fingers there should be on a hand
Ken From Hyde Park: Drones with AI technology will fly over future battlefields and identify targets. They'll drop bombs on stuff or call in missile strikes. Terminator predicted this. Thanks, Mark.
?: Money stinks!
i̺k̺e̺:
↳ joe_rosevear @6:56
AI is not here. It's mostly just a big scam. Listen to the show again, you didn't get it. Read the Goldman Sachs PDF linked here. Even they don't believe in it.Wendy del Formaggio: Because of Mark's show about Google's AI fruit-search debacle, now I keep referring to them as "applums" and "bananums." Coconut remains unchanged.
Billybob:
↳ MKT in Inwood @6:57
Pooky Park on Youtube gets 3 thumbs up from me. If only all AI was always that much fun.Mark Hurst: Thanks, everyone!
i̺k̺e̺:
↳ Wendy del Formaggio @6:59
LOLTriple G: Thanks Mark!
joe_rosevear:
↳ i̺k̺e̺ @6:58
It's OK to be in denial. This is a big change, somewhat like the death of a friend. I will let you grieve.Here is a book to read when you are past grieving and ready to go forward. I found it in our San Diego Public Library. It examines AI on many levels including "Chapter 5, Security and World Order" which is about this very problem of "AI pushing the nuclear button":
"The Age of AI, And Our Human Future". The well known Henry Kissinger is one of its three authors.
jbrudolf: "A.I. Is Already Harming Democracy, Competition, Consumers, Workers, Climate, and More"
https://www.citizen.org/news/a-i-is-already-harming-democracy-competition-consumers-workers-climate-and-more/
Ike:
↳ joe_rosevear @7:35
Henry Kissinger was a vile, cruel sociopath.