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Techtonic with Mark Hurst | WFMU

"Muskism" authors Quinn Slobodian and Ben Tarnoff: Techtonic with Mark Hurst When is it OK to use AI?: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Julie Scelfo, founder of Mothers Against Media Addiction (MAMA): Techtonic with Mark Hurst Andrew Guthrie Ferguson, author, "Your Data Will Be Used Against You": Techtonic with Mark Hurst Starlink and Kessler Syndrome, feat. astronomer Samantha Lawler: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Cindy Cohn, author, "Privacy's Defender": Techtonic with Mark Hurst Evan Selinger and Albert Fox Cahn, authors, "Move Slow and Upgrade" from Apr 6, 2026 Dystopia update: good news edition from Mar 30, 2026 Janet Vertesi, founder of the Opt Out Project from Mar 23, 2026 A visit to Repair Cafe El Barrio from Mar 16, 2026 Marathon week 2 w/cohost Jesse Jarnow from Mar 9, 2026 Marathon week 1 w/cohost station manager Ken Freedman from Mar 2, 2026 Celebrating 400 episodes of Techtonic from Feb 23, 2026 Chris Gilliard on Amazon’s admission that Ring spies on us from Feb 16, 2026 Peter Dear ("The World As We Know It") and how we interpret AI from Feb 9, 2026 AI is spreading where it doesn't belong from Feb 2, 2026 Peter Schmidt on the book "Attensity" by the Friends of Attention from Jan 26, 2026 Paul Bradley Carr, author, "The Confessions" from Jan 19, 2026 Lora Kolodny from CNBC on Grok's sexualized images from Jan 12, 2026 Ken Freedman and Mark discuss the year ahead from Jan 5, 2026 Tim Wu, author, "The Age of Extraction" from Dec 29, 2025 The Ghost of Christmas Tech Anxieties - Sara Clemens and Stu Horvath fill in, with guest Adam Allsuch Boardman from Dec 22, 2025 The first annual Creepy Awards from Dec 15, 2025 Noah McCormack from The Baffler: "We used to read things in this country" from Dec 8, 2025 Amateur radio is a superpower: Thomas Witherspoon from Dec 1, 2025 Citizens are being forced to pay for Big Tech data centers, feat. Pat Garofalo from Nov 24, 2025 How low can the tech oligarchs go? from Nov 17, 2025 Paul Mozur on the spread of data centers from Nov 10, 2025 Aram Sinnreich, co-author, "The Secret Life of Data" from Nov 3, 2025 Widening inequality and Big Tech surveillance, feat. Dan Currell from Oct 27, 2025 Filmmaker Amanda Hanna-McLeer on the Luddite renaissance from Oct 20, 2025 The protest against smartphones, with Logan Lane from Oct 13, 2025 AI and surveillance keep spreading: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Megan Greenwell, author, "Bad Company: Private Equity and the Death of the American Dream": Techtonic with Mark Hurst Glenn Adamson, author, "A Century of Tomorrows" from Sep 22, 2025 Joseph Weizenbaum warned us about AI 50 years ago (feat. Faine Greenwood): Techtonic with Mark Hurst Milestones for Big Tech... and Techtonic: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Cory Doctorow, author and journalist: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Webb Keane, author, "Animals, Robots, Gods": Techtonic with Mark Hurst If/Then/Else - Sara Clemens and Stu Horvath fill in, with guest Brendan Keogh: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Adam Becker, author, "More Everything Forever": Techtonic with Mark Hurst Three emerging dystopias: money, water, and truth: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Duncan Moench on "soylent screens" and producerism: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Ed Park, author, "An Oral History of Atlantis": Techtonic with Mark Hurst Daniel Solove, author, "On Privacy and Technology": Techtonic with Mark Hurst Burn Hollywood Burn - Will AI save the movies? Dan Morfitt fills in with guest John Ashbrook: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Compulsory surveillance and other threats: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Lori Emerson, author, "Other Networks": Techtonic with Mark Hurst Unveiling our new theme song by Kirk Pearson, and Big Tech alternatives: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Matt Warwick fills in for Techtonic with Co-Host HurstBot: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Emily M. Bender and Alex Hanna, authors, "The AI Con": Techtonic with Mark Hurst David Greenwood, author, "The Cloud Intern": Techtonic with Mark Hurst Surveillance scholar Chris Gilliard on Facebook's spy glasses: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Discussing "Careless People" by Facebook whistleblower Sarah Wynn-Williams: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Sybil Derrible, author, "The Infrastructure Book": Techtonic with Mark Hurst Dan Morfitt and Mark Hurst discuss dystopian movies: Techtonic with Mark Hurst The Defunding of Public Radio with Jesse Walker, Uri Berliner and Sue Matters: Techtonic with Mark Hurst John Warner, author, "More Than Words": Techtonic with Mark Hurst Sue-Lin Wong and online scams: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Emergency surveillance update: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Liz Pelly, author, "Mood Machine": Techtonic with Mark Hurst Ben Snyder, author, "Spy Plane": Techtonic with Mark Hurst Marathon week 2 w/cohost Matt Warwick: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Marathon week 1 w/cohost station manager Ken Freedman: Techtonic with Mark Hurst AI and the future of war – with "Flash Wars" director Daniel Wunderer: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Nick Couldry, author, "The Space of the World": Techtonic with Mark Hurst August Lamm: you don't need a smartphone: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Supervillains in tech – with Greg Epstein, Chris Gilliard, and Jim Starlin: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Welcome to the oligarchy: on Big Tech's government takeover: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Kirk Pearson, author, "Electronic Music From Scratch": Techtonic with Mark Hurst Stone carvers Chris Pellettieri and Arissa Ramoutar: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Ken Freedman and Mark Hurst listen to AI: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Andrew Smith, author, "Devil in the Stack": Techtonic with Mark Hurst Guest host Don Fleming: Musical Tech: Naughty or Nice?: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Our year of surveillance: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Arvind Narayanan, author, "AI Snake Oil": Techtonic with Mark Hurst Nicole Kobie, author, "The Long History of the Future": Techtonic with Mark Hurst Technology we're thankful for, from listeners: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Astronomer Samantha Lawler on Musk's space junk: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Guest host Station Mgr Ken interviews David Suisman on music and the military: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Dystopia update: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Members of the Luddite Club: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Yaroslav Trofimov, author, "Our Enemies Will Vanish": Techtonic with Mark Hurst Silkie Carlo, director, Big Brother Watch: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Tim Schwab, author, "The Bill Gates Problem": Techtonic with Mark Hurst What if no one wants AI?: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Helen Phillips, author, "HUM": Techtonic with Mark Hurst Even more devices are spying on you: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Carl Öhman, author, "The Afterlife of Data": Techtonic with Mark Hurst Guest host Alan on Rancho Mastatal : Techtonic with Mark Hurst Paula Bialski, author, "Middle Tech": Techtonic with Mark Hurst Google antitrust decision party: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Jon Leidecker, aka Wobbly, on Negativland and fair use: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Tech and the sandwich generation: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Guest host Brian D. on disinformation with Kirsten Eddy and Alex Mahadevan: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Generative AI and the "cesspool internet" – with Jason Koebler: Techtonic with Mark Hurst How it started, how it's going: revisiting the warnings of the past: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Carissa Véliz on digital ethics: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Byron Tau, author, "Means of Control": Techtonic with Mark Hurst Listener questions: Techtonic with Mark Hurst
Christopher Brown, author, "A Natural History of Empty Lots": Techtonic with Mark Hurst
2024-10-22 · via Techtonic with Mark Hurst | WFMU

Listener comments!

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: Mark! Techtonturists!
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chresti: Hi Mark and techtonicians!
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joe_rosevear: Hi, Mark and Techie People!
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spodiodi: Greetings, Mark Hurst and everyone!
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Bas NL: Hi ii hhii Mmmark! Hi all!
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Mxter Baba: ah, this is great—that book just caught my eye the other day, interested in learning more.
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PaulRobeson1924: Morningggg
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Webhamster Henry: Hi Friends! You know what's great? There are zillions of comments on the WFMU chat board and none of them get harvested to target ads to you or train AI. Pledge to the Hellraiser!
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Deano de los Muertos: Howdy Mark 👾📡 🛰️
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joe mulligan: exciting guest, I love it when nature reclaims itself over human constructs
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Adi From Sheffield: Good evening.
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joe mulligan: btw lets repurpose all those malls from the 70s and 80s
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Ken From Hyde Park: Hello, Mark and data minors.
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herb.nyc: hey, that's a beautiful looking cover, for A NATURAL HISTORY OF EMPTY LOTS
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mackeral: hey folks!
  6:07pm
morphe': "Pioneering river restoration declared a success delivering incredible benefits for nature and people within 12 months of completion
4 days ago Duncan Sandes..."

https://news.exeter.ac.uk/centre-for-resilience-in-environment-water-and-waste/pioneering-river-restoration-declared-a-success-delivering-incredible-benefits-for-nature-and-people-within-12-months-of-completion/

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melinda: hi friends
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PaulRobeson1924:

↳ joe mulligan @6:03

www.wfmu.org...

Rust and mold. seasonal change you can tell by the rain

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Mark Hurst: Hi ultra, chresti, joe_r, spodiodi, Bas, MxterBaba, PaulR, webham, Deano, joe, Adi, KfHP, herb, mackeral, morphe', melinda - welcome all!
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joe mulligan:

↳ PaulRobeson1924 @6:08

what's that? a water damaged MMT album damaged in a basement NJ river flood?
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herb.nyc: aside, but kinda related, i saw a one man play on saturday, at the Pubic (haha) Theater nyc. it was brilliant. info -

At the end of 2019, in the English countryside, Australian playwright David Finnigan began writing a play about the six turning points that have brought us to this moment in time—our ecosystems transformed, our planet on the brink of unthinkable climate disaster. But then Finnigan's hometown of Canberra was hit by bushfires. As an area the size of England burned and one billion animals perished, he started to receive texts from loved ones racing to evacuate amid the devastation. In a performance that interweaves 75,000 years of humanity with the incredibly personal account of his best friend’s escape, Finnigan calls on scientific research, phone footage, and a very personal story to illuminate the transforming planet and how we’ve arrived here.  An extraordinary ride through human history, DEEP HISTORY is shot through with humor and glowing with hope.

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Will thee SG OCNY: Hi Mark Hurst and all!!!
  6:11pm
morphe': Former Empty Lots .. !!!!

Former empty lots ...
Green Oasis Community Garden NYC is hosting a FMU meet-up in Nov...

Come One ... Come All !!!
Saturday, Nov 9, 2-5pm

Green Oasis Community Garden
370 East 8 Street
[Ave C/D]
Sat Nov 9 = 2-5pm

Fire [not BBQ]
BYO: Beer/Wine/Spliffs/Pot-Luck
children A-ok
dogs on leads

Carry in Carry out rubbish

Big bag will be there for cans and bottles
a box for paper/cartons..

but bring own wee rubbish bags for small rubbish ..

Carry in Carry out rubbish...

Come One ... Come All !!!

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PaulRobeson1924:

↳ joe mulligan @6:11

Man’s creation
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Mark Hurst: Hi WtSG
  6:14pm
morphe':

↳ morphe' @6:11

http://greenoasisnyc.org
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herb.nyc:

↳ morphe' @6:11

hey, sounds cool. maybe it can also be a SWAP. bring a book(s), tee(s), cd(s)... and take something
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Listener Robert: I give up...what does Dolly Parton have to do with Elon Musk? Something happen I missed?
  6:17pm
morphe':

↳ herb.nyc @6:15

Yes Herb .. anything but sales .
Exchange is a great idea !!!
  6:19pm
morphe':

↳ Listener Robert @6:17

Sounds like a joke set up ..

What do Elon Musk
and
Dolly Parton
have in common

=

nothing ...
Dolly has a soul....

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joe_rosevear: We have canyons in San Diego. Sometimes people try to dump things in the canyons. About a month ago, on a walk in our neighborhood, I stumbled upon some guys unloading something from a pickup truck.

On my return trip home I found a central air conditioning unit on the sidewalk. Apparently the guys I saw a few minutes earlier unloaded it onto the sidewalk, because they couldn't fit it through the break in the fence which lead to a canyon.

  6:20pm
Dan from Delco: This is a great topic.

Re: filling every square inch, residents around my town recently defeated an effort to build a shopping center on one of few remaining green spaces.

  6:21pm
Elvin: I remember reading about the abandoned golf courses near Myrtle Beach SC and how they bounced back despite years of pesticides.
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Mxter Baba: This sounds like the book I didn’t know I was looking for! Just put it on my reading queue.
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GC in Bmore: Baltimore!! C’mon people-/we have a bunch of no person’s land, parks built along watersheds, a nice central river valley currently despoiled by the freeway but still full of flora and fauna.. the housing is still affordable here. Tons of nature here even in the super urban zones.
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melinda:

↳ Mxter Baba @6:22

I know what you mean!
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joe mulligan: TIL what is urbex:
www.adobe.com...
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ultradamno: Seagull sizes up cat media1.tenor.com...
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Peter from Saranac Lake NY: Hello Mark and everyone. Loving the topic tonight.
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Elvin: In North Jersey you can go kayaking on the Passaic River or in the Meadowlands and see nature in areas that were industrialized, polluted and abandoned. Captain Bill from Hackensack Riverkeeper leads interesting tours.
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herb.nyc:

↳ morphe' @6:14

maybe sunday, nov 10, at the nearby la plaza cultural, will have a Pumpkin Smash. sponsored by LES Ecology Center, where i work / volunteer
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Will thee SG OCNY: I'm working at home on a swingset/ playground.... As a surveyor I typically trespass on the regular. I'm diggin this story.
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PNX: I think I saw Chris's house featured on a TV show.
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Mark Hurst:

↳ Peter from Saranac Lake NY @6:25

Hi Peter, thanks
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morphe': NYC Wandering :

if ya go to the Jamaica Bay WildLife Sanctuary ... ya can register for free and get an OFFICIAL "Urban Ranger" ID [no photo..] .. is useful if ya do "Unofficial" wanderings around NYC and the cops show up .. Ya pull out the card [have real ID too] and say "I am an Urban Ranger" and doing Bird Counting ... Ya need a genuine ID too .. and no illegal drugs...

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herb.nyc: elon bought land in texas? wnyc was telling us of fine print in instagram / x AGREEMENT. that if ya sue, "case will be adjudicated in texas", and there's a texas judge who has financial interest w elon. lovely
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Mark Hurst:

↳ herb.nyc @6:30

Twitter / X, but yes
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Malcontent: Great topic tonight, Mark!

A corollary to Chris' book is "The Stray Shopping Carts of Eastern North America: A Guide to Field Identification" by Julian Montague

www.amazon.com...

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chresti: en.wikipedia.org...

A park in south la that was a big storage lot (something like that)

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herb.nyc:

↳ Mark Hurst @6:31

oops, thx for correktion
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joe_rosevear:

↳ Malcontent @6:31

That's hilarious. I sometimes push stray shopping carts back to the neighborhood Smart & Final.
  6:34pm
ledzeppelinsucks: TX buys jobs from CA enterprises with free real estate and discounted taxes. These are drop kicked jobs in expiring programs that used to go to Mexico and Philippines. TX rigs the numbers and claims the jobs are created by Texans. They are call center, project or manufacturing, not innovation. They are vulnerable jobs to the economy.
  6:35pm
morphe':

↳ joe_rosevear @6:33

"Idiotarod NYC XXI: January 27, 2024
Idiotarod NYC is an annual event that puts a satirical, creative spin on that totally-unrelated annual event in Alaska. Idiotarod NYC features costume-clad teams and their elaborately-themed shopping carts in a "race" through NYC that emphasizes showmanship over speed.

Also, bribery.

For more info, go to http://bit.ly/idiotgroup. To race, email [email protected] & we will provide you with a registration form...

http://www.idiotarodnyc.com

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ultradamno: I hear he's still talking about self-driving "robo taxis" with no wheel or human oversight, because the self driving tech has been working out so well so far....
  6:39pm
morphe': Great photos: Idiotarod NYC

https://www.bkmag.com/2023/01/29/20th-annual-idiotarod/

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Ken From Hyde Park: I'd like to see a study that compares carbon dioxide absorption/emission when comparing wild areas vs. developed areas.
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melinda: Didn't know that about Fresh Kills, I recall seeing a photo or photo essay about it in one of the mags I subscribed to many years ago.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:43pm
Bas NL: Just this week a municipal action started in my street to make pockets of plants and to add trees. Any would be welcome as at present there is just some grass growing on the pavement..
  6:43pm
Dan from Delco: @Elvin pbs had a show on the Passaic River kayaking, it was fascinating
  6:44pm
morphe':

↳ Song: "Interview with Christopher Brown"

He reminds me of Adam Purple ... not just his good ideas/intelligence, but his voice and tone and his deep soul ..

for later .. Doc about LES Gardens*** and Adam Purple ..

*** Green Oasis is the FMU Meet up 9 Nov ...[see above]

Dirt Doc = no adverts..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KCTKxmUQKYE

  6:45pm
Elvin: I went swimming in the Rhine this summer while in Basel Switzerland What a hoot!
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San Pedro Girl: Hi Mark and Techtonic friends.
What an interesting guest. I love this show.
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joe_rosevear:

↳ morphe' @6:35

That's great. I like the name and the humor!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:48pm
PaulRobeson1924: Dr.Kevorkian
  6:48pm
morphe':

↳ Song: "Interview with Christopher Brown"

He just encapsulated the NYC Gov't schemes ... Adam Purple was evicted to build housing for "The Deaf Community" the latest eviction of the Elizabeth Sculpture Garden is for Elderly living ...
they choose the Zero Sum Battle ... "You do not want housing for the deaf community???" "Ya do not want housing for the elderly???'
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spodiodi: heckreaiser! olo⭐️
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zachary: Is Mark Hurst saying we've reached the point of no return to living with nature?
  6:54pm
morphe': Thanks Mark and all !!!
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PaulRobeson1924: Hell YeaH! WFMu worth ten bucks to pledge to Techtonic!
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Webhamster Henry: Ahh the Techtonic Network! See if there's room on WGXC or Radio Kingston (WKNY)
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zachary:

↳ Bas NL @6:43

Nature bandaids.

Like this?

billemory.com...

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Troy: Thanks Mark!
  6:56pm
GC in Bmore: YES KALW in San Francisco! I’ll contact them!
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zachary: Thanks, Mark.
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mackeral: thanks Mark
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PaulRobeson1924: To keep WFMU StRONG & to support Freedom of expression!
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StringOFperils: Thanks!
  6:56pm
Bea: Syndication!! Hope we can spread techtonic around the world!!
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chresti: Thanks Mark!
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Bas NL: Thanks Mark! Thanks Christopher!
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Ken From Hyde Park: Toss Tesla!
Thanks, Mark & Christopher.
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joe_rosevear: Thanks Mark, and Techies.

Wow, syndication.

See ya, bye!

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bleubombersune: Mark great interview all stay safe and be well beware of Wolfsbane
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Will thee SG OCNY: Thank you Mark Hurst and Christopher Brown!!!
Interesting show
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chresti:

↳ Song: "I Won't Google That" by "Hurst & Ottsc"

So good!
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Will thee SG OCNY: Good luck with the syndication
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Mark Hurst: Thanks, everyone!
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Mark Hurst:

↳ Bea @6:56

Thanks, Bea, here's hoping :)