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Techtonic with Mark Hurst | WFMU

"Muskism" authors Quinn Slobodian and Ben Tarnoff: Techtonic with Mark Hurst When is it OK to use AI?: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Julie Scelfo, founder of Mothers Against Media Addiction (MAMA): Techtonic with Mark Hurst Andrew Guthrie Ferguson, author, "Your Data Will Be Used Against You": Techtonic with Mark Hurst Starlink and Kessler Syndrome, feat. astronomer Samantha Lawler: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Cindy Cohn, author, "Privacy's Defender": Techtonic with Mark Hurst Evan Selinger and Albert Fox Cahn, authors, "Move Slow and Upgrade" from Apr 6, 2026 Dystopia update: good news edition from Mar 30, 2026 Janet Vertesi, founder of the Opt Out Project from Mar 23, 2026 A visit to Repair Cafe El Barrio from Mar 16, 2026 Marathon week 2 w/cohost Jesse Jarnow from Mar 9, 2026 Marathon week 1 w/cohost station manager Ken Freedman from Mar 2, 2026 Celebrating 400 episodes of Techtonic from Feb 23, 2026 Chris Gilliard on Amazon’s admission that Ring spies on us from Feb 16, 2026 Peter Dear ("The World As We Know It") and how we interpret AI from Feb 9, 2026 AI is spreading where it doesn't belong from Feb 2, 2026 Peter Schmidt on the book "Attensity" by the Friends of Attention from Jan 26, 2026 Paul Bradley Carr, author, "The Confessions" from Jan 19, 2026 Lora Kolodny from CNBC on Grok's sexualized images from Jan 12, 2026 Ken Freedman and Mark discuss the year ahead from Jan 5, 2026 Tim Wu, author, "The Age of Extraction" from Dec 29, 2025 The Ghost of Christmas Tech Anxieties - Sara Clemens and Stu Horvath fill in, with guest Adam Allsuch Boardman from Dec 22, 2025 The first annual Creepy Awards from Dec 15, 2025 Noah McCormack from The Baffler: "We used to read things in this country" from Dec 8, 2025 Amateur radio is a superpower: Thomas Witherspoon from Dec 1, 2025 Citizens are being forced to pay for Big Tech data centers, feat. Pat Garofalo from Nov 24, 2025 How low can the tech oligarchs go? from Nov 17, 2025 Paul Mozur on the spread of data centers from Nov 10, 2025 Aram Sinnreich, co-author, "The Secret Life of Data" from Nov 3, 2025 Widening inequality and Big Tech surveillance, feat. Dan Currell from Oct 27, 2025 Filmmaker Amanda Hanna-McLeer on the Luddite renaissance from Oct 20, 2025 The protest against smartphones, with Logan Lane from Oct 13, 2025 AI and surveillance keep spreading: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Megan Greenwell, author, "Bad Company: Private Equity and the Death of the American Dream": Techtonic with Mark Hurst Glenn Adamson, author, "A Century of Tomorrows" from Sep 22, 2025 Joseph Weizenbaum warned us about AI 50 years ago (feat. Faine Greenwood): Techtonic with Mark Hurst Milestones for Big Tech... and Techtonic: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Cory Doctorow, author and journalist: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Webb Keane, author, "Animals, Robots, Gods": Techtonic with Mark Hurst If/Then/Else - Sara Clemens and Stu Horvath fill in, with guest Brendan Keogh: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Adam Becker, author, "More Everything Forever": Techtonic with Mark Hurst Three emerging dystopias: money, water, and truth: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Duncan Moench on "soylent screens" and producerism: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Ed Park, author, "An Oral History of Atlantis": Techtonic with Mark Hurst Daniel Solove, author, "On Privacy and Technology": Techtonic with Mark Hurst Burn Hollywood Burn - Will AI save the movies? Dan Morfitt fills in with guest John Ashbrook: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Compulsory surveillance and other threats: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Lori Emerson, author, "Other Networks": Techtonic with Mark Hurst Unveiling our new theme song by Kirk Pearson, and Big Tech alternatives: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Matt Warwick fills in for Techtonic with Co-Host HurstBot: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Emily M. Bender and Alex Hanna, authors, "The AI Con": Techtonic with Mark Hurst David Greenwood, author, "The Cloud Intern": Techtonic with Mark Hurst Discussing "Careless People" by Facebook whistleblower Sarah Wynn-Williams: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Sybil Derrible, author, "The Infrastructure Book": Techtonic with Mark Hurst Dan Morfitt and Mark Hurst discuss dystopian movies: Techtonic with Mark Hurst The Defunding of Public Radio with Jesse Walker, Uri Berliner and Sue Matters: Techtonic with Mark Hurst John Warner, author, "More Than Words": Techtonic with Mark Hurst Sue-Lin Wong and online scams: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Emergency surveillance update: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Liz Pelly, author, "Mood Machine": Techtonic with Mark Hurst Ben Snyder, author, "Spy Plane": Techtonic with Mark Hurst Marathon week 2 w/cohost Matt Warwick: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Marathon week 1 w/cohost station manager Ken Freedman: Techtonic with Mark Hurst AI and the future of war – with "Flash Wars" director Daniel Wunderer: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Nick Couldry, author, "The Space of the World": Techtonic with Mark Hurst August Lamm: you don't need a smartphone: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Supervillains in tech – with Greg Epstein, Chris Gilliard, and Jim Starlin: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Welcome to the oligarchy: on Big Tech's government takeover: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Kirk Pearson, author, "Electronic Music From Scratch": Techtonic with Mark Hurst Stone carvers Chris Pellettieri and Arissa Ramoutar: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Ken Freedman and Mark Hurst listen to AI: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Andrew Smith, author, "Devil in the Stack": Techtonic with Mark Hurst Guest host Don Fleming: Musical Tech: Naughty or Nice?: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Our year of surveillance: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Arvind Narayanan, author, "AI Snake Oil": Techtonic with Mark Hurst Nicole Kobie, author, "The Long History of the Future": Techtonic with Mark Hurst Technology we're thankful for, from listeners: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Astronomer Samantha Lawler on Musk's space junk: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Guest host Station Mgr Ken interviews David Suisman on music and the military: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Dystopia update: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Members of the Luddite Club: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Christopher Brown, author, "A Natural History of Empty Lots": Techtonic with Mark Hurst Yaroslav Trofimov, author, "Our Enemies Will Vanish": Techtonic with Mark Hurst Silkie Carlo, director, Big Brother Watch: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Tim Schwab, author, "The Bill Gates Problem": Techtonic with Mark Hurst What if no one wants AI?: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Helen Phillips, author, "HUM": Techtonic with Mark Hurst Even more devices are spying on you: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Carl Öhman, author, "The Afterlife of Data": Techtonic with Mark Hurst Guest host Alan on Rancho Mastatal : Techtonic with Mark Hurst Paula Bialski, author, "Middle Tech": Techtonic with Mark Hurst Google antitrust decision party: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Jon Leidecker, aka Wobbly, on Negativland and fair use: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Tech and the sandwich generation: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Guest host Brian D. on disinformation with Kirsten Eddy and Alex Mahadevan: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Generative AI and the "cesspool internet" – with Jason Koebler: Techtonic with Mark Hurst How it started, how it's going: revisiting the warnings of the past: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Carissa Véliz on digital ethics: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Byron Tau, author, "Means of Control": Techtonic with Mark Hurst Listener questions: Techtonic with Mark Hurst
Surveillance scholar Chris Gilliard on Facebook's spy glasses: Techtonic with Mark Hurst
2025-05-20 · via Techtonic with Mark Hurst | WFMU

Listener comments!

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: Mark! Techtontacles!
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Handy Haversack: Mark and the Techyons!
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PaulRobeson1925: Hi Hi Hi
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David (in London): Evening Mark and all Technoids here gathered.
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Bas NL: Hi Mark and all! Spy glasses it is!
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Mark T: Greetings fellow Techtonics
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Webhamster Henry: Nice piece from Neil Stephenson on AI nealstephenson.substack.com...
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Stu Horvath: Evenin' Mark!
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Peter from Saranac Lake NY: Good evening Mark and tech a verse people.
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dale: c'mon - he was at trump's inauguration for a reason.
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chris in the redwoods: hiya, Mark and folks.
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Ken From Hyde Park: Greetings, Mark and recognizable faces! 🕵️‍♀️
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chris in the redwoods:

↳ Webhamster Henry @6:03

oooh, thanks kindly!
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morphe': This is for later = after Dave Mandl and Stashu and .. and .. and ..

"In 1983, Simon Goodwin had a strange thought. Would it be possible to broadcast computer software over the radio? If so, could listeners record it off the air and onto a cassette tape? "

[Is a repeat but I just heard it last week.... fascinating]

Mixtape: Cassetternet

www.wnycstudios.org...

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ultradamno: It's been a big week for Grok too...
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Mark Hurst:

↳ Stu Horvath @6:03

thanks for joining, Stu!
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herb.nyc: Chris Gilliard wrote pseu‘s theme, “that thing with a Facebook”🎶. Did you know?
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Mark Hurst: Hi ultra, Handy, PaulR, DiL, Bas, MarkT, webham, Stu, Peter, dale, chris, KfHP, morphe', and herb - thanks for joining!
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MarciB: Hello fellow Techtonicians...and here we are, with one of the creepiest new surveillance dystopia and it's really outrageous no one's talking about it.
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Webhamster Henry: “It’s easier to ask forgiveness than ask permission” and even easier not to ask permission.
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Mark Hurst:

↳ MarciB @6:09

You're right, Marci.
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Webhamster Henry: Or rather for forgiveness…
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MarciB:

↳ herb.nyc @6:08

Lol is he related to Doug Gillard per chance? (Doug lives in my 'hood too!)
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MarciB: I'm calling them Gestapo Glasses.
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Franco Twinkie:

↳ Webhamster Henry @6:09

I'm deep into Carless People, and that maxim is straight from the book!
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PaulRobeson1925: When you want to get a coffee in LA you step over a man sleeping on the sidewalk
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DjLorraine:

↳ herb.nyc @6:08

Pseu's theme song has been playing in my head today.
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Franco Twinkie: ...or pants on!
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Mark Hurst: My suggestion: don't buy Ray-Bans. You don't want people wondering if you're spying on them.
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ultradamno:

↳ Franco Twinkie @6:13

What Johnny Storm says while getting dressed in the morning
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ultradamno: ...or if you want people avoiding you, as I do, Ray-Ban go!
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PaulRobeson1925: Gangsterism. The current admin ganstered tic toc into submission and what shall be the end of this?
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morphe': Was planning on doing a small = only me anti Military Parade/trump BD demo = solo in front of the usa embassy in Madrid 14 June, but am already nervous .. self editing as I imagine I'll be refused re-entry to NYC ???
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ultradamno:

↳ ultradamno @6:07

Microsoft seems unconcerned with Grok's behavior... nypost.com...
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Bas NL: Why call them a company? Why call it products?
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PaulRobeson1925: Neil Postman’s 1992 book Technopoly. In America We have surrendered culture to technology
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MarciB:

↳ ultradamno @6:19

It's a legit worry with this regime.
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ultradamno: I have to assume they trick the wearer into thinking they're in the surveilling business, that they're in some semblance of control, while equally giving away what they're doing.
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Webhamster Henry: Here is pimeyes: pimeyes.com...
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Stu Horvath: These companies are only friends of their shareholders!
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PaulRobeson1925: Sounds like S.A.M Talkin about’ Mr.Clay! “Bag of flesh constantly extruding”
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spodiodi: shareholders are responsible for most of the misery.

Eat The Investment Class

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Stu Horvath:

↳ spodiodi @6:37

No war but class war
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PaulRobeson1925: The poor and the uneducated can never constitute a revolutionary class. And never will
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MarciB: Big Tech is a monopoly - and many of us feel they have to go with the default option as Mark has clearly articulated. We have to find ways to resist! Grateful for this show.
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PaulRobeson1925: Marx got it right about machines and wrong about people
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MarciB:

↳ ultradamno @6:29

100%!
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PaulRobeson1925: The current state of Labour history in America reflects the current state of labor.
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chresti: Hi Mark and techtonicians!
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Yes: hell yeah
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MarciB: Ugh the bots-as-friends/romantic partners/therapist .. ugh!
And to Chris's point, my neighbors and I look out for each other's packages.
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Mark Hurst: Hi chresti!
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ultradamno: Blooskee!
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Webhamster Henry: Mark: post those bsky links?
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spodiodi: Thank you, Chris Gilliard. Excellent guest
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Sam: I would love facial recognition glasses. I'm terrible with names.
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chresti: Agree!
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ultradamno: www.firstpost.com...
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PaulRobeson1925:

↳ PaulRobeson1925 @6:40

This is why a Charismatic leader is so important to a movement… someone like Cesar Chavez or MLK or Salvador Allende
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yippie: versace makes way better sunglasses than rayban
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joe mulligan: life is usually better when you just buy from the smaller brands and support the smaller businesses. try to avoid all brands under the luxottica umbrella
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queems: pull down your regular raybans, wink, and keep walking
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spodiodi: Loved that Chris had a message of hope
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queems: always keep em guessing
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PaulRobeson1925: Clear goals and building a consensus is the first step.
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yippie: yeah i think its true that versace just licenses its name to luxottica
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Webhamster Henry:

↳ yippie @6:52

Let’s be reminded of consolidation in the eyeglasses business….
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disco_nap_: Wearing my WFMU specs today!!
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ultradamno: I'm tempted to wear the sleep mask around
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yippie: if i ever need Rx glasses i would get them installed in a boba fett helmet
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spodiodi:

↳ ultradamno @6:55

haha
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Webhamster Henry: Go with these sunglasses www.eyeglassboy.com...
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Sam: I have to use Teams but I always keep the camera off.
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joe mulligan:

↳ yippie @6:52

surf shops are usually a good place to find the smaller brands
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Jeff Moore:

↳ Webhamster Henry @6:53

Yeah, hasn't Luxottica gobbled up a huge swath of that segment?

"EssilorLuxottica offers exclusive eyewear that stands as a testament to highly skilled artistry and innovation, showcased through an unparalleled portfolio of brands, including Ray-Ban, Oakley, Persol, Oliver Peoples, Vogue Eyewear, Arnette, Alain Mikli, Costa, Bliz, Native Eyewear and Bolon, along with leading reading glasses brand Foster Grant. The Company also boasts prestigious licensed brands, including Giorgio Armani, Brunello Cucinelli, Burberry, Chanel, Coach, Diesel, Dolce&Gabbana, Ferrari, Jimmy Choo, Michael Kors, Moncler, Prada, Ralph Lauren, Swarovski, Tiffany & Co., Tory Burch and Versace. Beyond eyewear, EssilorLuxottica extends its expertise to luxury accessories with Fedon, a leader in premium eyeglass cases and high-end optical accessories."

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Marie: I hate that Trump and Rebubs are trying to ban states from regulating AI
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chris in the redwoods: thanks, Mark and Chris!
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spodiodi: naked eyes ftw
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?: Just to mention. There are not two cameras. One lens is an LED to indicate a picture is being taken for the subject to be aware of it.
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spodiodi: Thanks, Mark
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Bas NL: Thanks Mark! Thanks Chris!
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Webhamster Henry:

↳ Jeff Moore @6:56

Thanks Jeff! I was also looking into getting 3d printed frames - still expensive!
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PaulRobeson1925: Imagine in 1965 trying to stop the spread of the Television? I wonder if a comparison can be made between the spread of video tech into the home and what we see today.

I hope we can accomplish what Mark Hurst stands for!!!! This I truly hope for. With that written, False hope can mean acquiescence to a lie. If we can not stop the spread of this kind of immoral tech, what is our goal then?

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PaulRobeson1925: Gotta do something. Baby? but what is actionable. In the eyes of peace
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?: You don't need creep glasses to find out MY name, because you'll be screaming it later
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Mark Hurst: Thanks, everyone
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chresti: Thanks Mark!
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Coach32sm: Monday Monday such a complicated day!!! Thank goodness