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6:06pm
Cooh John:
Growth, technology, AI, etc. will not save us. Humanity will. Just sayin'. Isn't uncontrolled growth called cancer?
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6:07pm
chresti:
Send 'em out there and leave 'em!
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6:07pm
Ken From Hyde Park:
Hello, Mark and computation emancipation proclamation.
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6:07pm
ultradamno:
I feel like NASA through down a gauntlet to SpaceX: 'nice nuclear reactor you aren't building on Mars'
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6:07pm
StringOFperils:
Musk. Gets 29 billion in TESLA stock handed to him by the board. 29 billion. Meanwhile...how many kids starved to death while I typed this? What IS growth?
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6:10pm
Mark Hurst:
Hi ultra, Handy, PaulR, StringofPerils, Spikey, chresti, Bas, Sara, Can you, Peter, Cooh John, Deano, DjL, and Black Window - thanks for joining!
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6:10pm
dale:
if you can terraform the angry red planet you can certainly fix the earth for a lot less money and effort.
6:10pm
Black Window:
Hi dale
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6:12pm
ultradamno:
Until he has a fix for the magnetic field issue, Mars is kind of a non-starter.
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6:18pm
PaulRobeson1925:
Pretty terrible place for a road trip. Space
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6:18pm
StringOFperils:
Mars. A death-trip now within reach.
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6:18pm
ultradamno:
Why are Musk and Bezos so pro-overpopulation? (and it can't be the Mozart argument, the more people fighting for basic sustenance, the less likely that happens) fortune.com...
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6:18pm
coelacanth∅:
with musk and trump and all the other parasitic billionaires, it's as much about Power as the money itself. they're insecure children living their childhood fantasies at everyone's expense.
6:18pm
pocket vito:
Why would you want all those goddamn people?
answer a stupid question with an intelligent answer, why don't you!
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6:19pm
Sara Clemens:
Not to mention there will be no voyage to Mars without MASSIVE ground support here on Earth and if these jabronies think there's gonna be a whole ground crew who's cool with perishing during the heat death of this planet while simultaneously getting them to their final destination, well... lol. Lmao, even.
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6:20pm
PaulRobeson1925:
I mean, think about it. You get to space and then what? Where do you go
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6:20pm
Webhamster Henry:
Hi Techtonical Friends! Ooh some Game Theory!
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6:20pm
ultradamno:
They may think that, but again people have to have resources to be good consumers
6:21pm
pocket vito:
It should literally be the exact opposite. Stop population growth, abolish the internet, and appreciate this amazing planet we already have. Wtf.
Cosmic rays would likely give all astronauts terminal cancer on the way there, but yes, you're absolutely right, you can't just duplicate the Van Allen belt on other planets.
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6:25pm
chris in the redwoods:
folks have been ignoring the whole thou shalt not kill thing for quite some time, Mark. and hello to you.
and hello to all.
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6:25pm
ultradamno:
Wait...they wouldn't become the Fantastic Four?
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6:25pm
Bas NL:
Earth weighs 1,3 x 10^25 pounds. Even if we eat the entire Earth 10^50 people would weigh... not much.
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6:26pm
Webhamster Henry:
Colonizing and terraforming Antarctica and the floor of the ocean are many orders of magnitude easier than space colonization, and nobody wants to do that.
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6:27pm
PaulRobeson1925:
Little Hearty White in there! “Today I had ten hapPpies”
6:27pm
sensisio:
Thanks Mark...sheesh what do we do?
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6:28pm
Stu Horvath:
Starting to get into Warhammer 40k territory...
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6:28pm
Cooh John:
Currency options: 1. I can have a $ or you can have a $. Only one person can have the $. 2. I can have an idea and can share it with you. We both have and use the idea. 3. I can show you an act of kindness and an observer can have a benefit. 3 parties benefit. Which currency should we use?
Bingo. If they were serious, that's what they'd be talking about: developing a much warmer place that isn't made of poison and that has an atmosphere with oxygen in it. But…they're not serious.
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6:29pm
PaulRobeson1925:
These Long termists gotta get out more
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6:30pm
Handy Haversack:
KSR's Aurora is a great look at what a pipedream colonizing the galaxy is.
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6:30pm
StringOFperils:
They're gonna run out of time anyway. Their own power-grabs are creating such corruption and ultra-violence and total madness will cut them off at the knees before they get anywhere. Also, now that science is becoming illegal and major universities are being hobbled, engineering will be building soap-box racers, not starships.
And obviously they don’t actually want to make things better for humanity. They hate people, they hate beauty, and they hate everything that makes life worth living.
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6:31pm
Webhamster Henry:
The rampant innumeracy of decision makers and voters is really driving some insane priorities.
Ok fine I guess everything's a game, good news for us gamers
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6:33pm
ultradamno:
...and sharks, I think there were sharks then, they do pre-date trees
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6:34pm
dale:
'goodnight oppy' shows a great visualization of the mars surface.
6:34pm
pocket vito:
First the artists will move to Mars because it’s cheap, then the coffee places will come, then the wine bars, and suddenly it will be the hippest place to live.
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6:35pm
ultradamno:
Wait, so Matt Damon died of cancer after sciencing the shit out of gardening?
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6:36pm
Folsom:
The Cautionary Tales podcast had a episode about the E.A. guys, kinda nuts.
6:36pm
malĥerbo (nl):
We have still much to learn about our own place. Just wanting to do something with Mars might just be the carrot to make learning about earth a reality. Because making lots of money fanning climate fear or trading co2 rights and the likes surely wont.
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6:36pm
Hunterian:
"There is nothing we could do to this planet that would make it a worse option than Mars." Thank you. This guy gets it.
6:36pm
Vanejsa:
Great interview today, I gotta read this.
6:37pm
MarciB:
Brian Merchant's recent Substack had a great and informative take on this nonsense - he attended some conference on AI and futurists etc.
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6:41pm
PaulRobeson1925:
Musk and his co-horts benefit from the status quo. Talking about Mars and the moon is a great way to distract the public from what we could accomplish here. And it makes a great headline. MOON. MARS. EXPLORATION.
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6:45pm
Ken From Hyde Park:
The army can use Cybertrucks for target practice. The tricky part might be figuring out which one contains EM.
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6:47pm
ultradamno:
In WSB terms: become space jellyfish
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6:47pm
Webhamster Henry:
A Head-in-a-jar is more feasible than living on Mars, though.
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6:47pm
Handy Haversack:
I just finished Annlee Newitz'ers The Terraformers, which, yes, is a fantasy but in space. Super posthuman in trappings but also deeply about the danger of nostalgia and the creation of and use of race as a strategy to divide workers from unifying around what they actually have in common: oppression from owners.
Also, it has sentient trains, which are pretty cool. Worth a read.
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6:47pm
Bas NL:
Let's try prosthetic brains. Good first start.
6:48pm
Fredericks:
Musk has already made multiple promises that did not materialize. He's just another con man.
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6:48pm
PaulRobeson1925:
“just 22 and l don’t mind dying, whooo 🎶do you love now whoo do you love” - Mr.Morrison
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6:50pm
ultradamno:
I think all this may just be a hangover from creating a computer that once filled a room fit into the palm of your hand...that being done fooled them into thinking anything can.
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6:50pm
chris in the redwoods:
has to be one of my fav tectonic interviews. wonderful stuff. thanks, Mark and Adam, er. Dr. Becker. :)
Listener comments!
: Mark! Techtonialists!
Handy Haversack: Hello, Mark and the Techyons!
PaulRobeson1925: Hello
StringOFperils: Nuclear reactor on the moon. Stat! ASAP. C'mon!
Spikey BXL: Hello Mark, luddites
PaulRobeson1925:
↳ StringOFperils @6:01
Moon, moon, moon. We will get you. Sooon soooon Sooooonchresti: Hi Mark and techtonicians!
Bas NL: Hi Mark! Hi all! I'd love me some more everything forever!
Sara Clemens: Hello Mark and fellow Techtonics with lime!
Cy: oops
Peter from Saranac Lake NY: Mark, techies....
Cooh John: Hi Mark and techtonicians. Liking the theme song.
Deano de los Muertos: Wazzap Mark and folks
Cooh John: Growth, technology, AI, etc. will not save us. Humanity will. Just sayin'. Isn't uncontrolled growth called cancer?
chresti: Send 'em out there and leave 'em!
Ken From Hyde Park: Hello, Mark and computation emancipation proclamation.
ultradamno: I feel like NASA through down a gauntlet to SpaceX: 'nice nuclear reactor you aren't building on Mars'
StringOFperils: Musk. Gets 29 billion in TESLA stock handed to him by the board. 29 billion. Meanwhile...how many kids starved to death while I typed this? What IS growth?
DjLorraine: Hi
Black Window: Hello
Mark Hurst: Hi ultra, Handy, PaulR, StringofPerils, Spikey, chresti, Bas, Sara, Can you, Peter, Cooh John, Deano, DjL, and Black Window - thanks for joining!
dale: if you can terraform the angry red planet you can certainly fix the earth for a lot less money and effort.
Black Window: Hi dale
ultradamno: Until he has a fix for the magnetic field issue, Mars is kind of a non-starter.
coelacanth∅:
↳ dale @6:10
indeed.Cooh John:
↳ DjLorraine @6:07
Hello DjLorraine🙋🏻♂️Mark Hurst:
↳ dale @6:10
Just wait until later in the interview :)DjLorraine:
↳ Cooh John @6:12
🙋 Hello Cooh JohnStu Horvath: Space! Why would you want to go there? (hello Mark and Techtonicians!)
Cooh John:
↳ StringOFperils @6:07
How about the people Musk starved to death by cutting USAID. Sins of commission and omission.Black Window: Hi, what’s this show about?
PaulRobeson1925: #1. Makes sense if you consider Neil Postman’s Technopoly.
yippie: do you think the pacific ocean is a perpetual motion machine?
Sara Clemens:
↳ Stu Horvath @6:13
Hi Stu!PaulRobeson1925:
↳ Stu Horvath @6:13
No restrooms in space. Not a single one. Not a single oneStu Horvath:
↳ Sara Clemens @6:16
Why hello Sara!dale: can't musk and his ilk just go live in a biosphere somewhere and leave the rest of us alone?
Mark Hurst:
↳ Sara Clemens @6:16
Hi Stu and Sara, looking forward to hearing your guest-hosted show next week!StringOFperils:
↳ Cooh John @6:14
He's not a well man. Probably unfair to hold him up as a singular example of techno-religiosity. He's both less and more and stranger than average.Ken From Hyde Park:
↳ Black Window @6:14
About an hour, most weeks.PaulRobeson1925: Pretty terrible place for a road trip. Space
StringOFperils: Mars. A death-trip now within reach.
ultradamno: Why are Musk and Bezos so pro-overpopulation? (and it can't be the Mozart argument, the more people fighting for basic sustenance, the less likely that happens) fortune.com...
coelacanth∅: with musk and trump and all the other parasitic billionaires, it's as much about Power as the money itself. they're insecure children living their childhood fantasies at everyone's expense.
pocket vito: Why would you want all those goddamn people?
coelacanth∅:
↳ Ken From Hyde Park @6:17
answer a stupid question with an intelligent answer, why don't you!Sara Clemens: Not to mention there will be no voyage to Mars without MASSIVE ground support here on Earth and if these jabronies think there's gonna be a whole ground crew who's cool with perishing during the heat death of this planet while simultaneously getting them to their final destination, well... lol. Lmao, even.
StringOFperils:
↳ ultradamno @6:18
Market potential?Deano de los Muertos:
↳ Mark Hurst @6:16
Sweet! 🕹️PaulRobeson1925: I mean, think about it. You get to space and then what? Where do you go
Webhamster Henry: Hi Techtonical Friends! Ooh some Game Theory!
ultradamno: They may think that, but again people have to have resources to be good consumers
pocket vito: It should literally be the exact opposite. Stop population growth, abolish the internet, and appreciate this amazing planet we already have. Wtf.
Webhamster Henry: I can't remember if Mark has featured "A City On Mars", but check it out. www.acityonmars.com
Stu Horvath:
↳ Mark Hurst @6:16
There will be substantially less math.ultradamno: ...and the damage that will do to math rock will be inestimable
Sara Clemens:
↳ Stu Horvath @6:21
MAYBE. I did receive a bust of Pythagoras at my senior awards ceremony for being the "Top Math Student" in high school, so...StringOFperils:
↳ ultradamno @6:20
You're right. That just leaves compulsive f***ing. Engineers really need to make stuff, even if no one needs it.Hunterian:
↳ ultradamno @6:12
Cosmic rays would likely give all astronauts terminal cancer on the way there, but yes, you're absolutely right, you can't just duplicate the Van Allen belt on other planets.chris in the redwoods: folks have been ignoring the whole thou shalt not kill thing for quite some time, Mark. and hello to you.
and hello to all.
ultradamno: Wait...they wouldn't become the Fantastic Four?
Bas NL: Earth weighs 1,3 x 10^25 pounds. Even if we eat the entire Earth 10^50 people would weigh... not much.
Webhamster Henry: Colonizing and terraforming Antarctica and the floor of the ocean are many orders of magnitude easier than space colonization, and nobody wants to do that.
Mark Hurst:
↳ chris in the redwoods @6:25
welcome, chrisPaulRobeson1925: Little Hearty White in there! “Today I had ten hapPpies”
sensisio: Thanks Mark...sheesh what do we do?
Stu Horvath: Starting to get into Warhammer 40k territory...
Cooh John: Currency options: 1. I can have a $ or you can have a $. Only one person can have the $. 2. I can have an idea and can share it with you. We both have and use the idea. 3. I can show you an act of kindness and an observer can have a benefit. 3 parties benefit. Which currency should we use?
Mark Hurst:
↳ sensisio @6:27
Hi sensisio. First step, I think, is to gain awareness and spread the word...malĥerbo (nl): Hi Mark, Alan and ‘Oniks
Mark Hurst: welkom, malĥerbo
Hunterian:
↳ Webhamster Henry @6:26
Bingo. If they were serious, that's what they'd be talking about: developing a much warmer place that isn't made of poison and that has an atmosphere with oxygen in it. But…they're not serious.PaulRobeson1925: These Long termists gotta get out more
Sara Clemens:
↳ Stu Horvath @6:28
Not everything's a game, Stu!ultradamno: With Musk, it really does seem like a lot of 'what I thought was wicked cool at 13'
Mark Hurst:
↳ Sara Clemens @6:29
well... I often relate things to nethack.Handy Haversack: KSR's Aurora is a great look at what a pipedream colonizing the galaxy is.
StringOFperils: They're gonna run out of time anyway. Their own power-grabs are creating such corruption and ultra-violence and total madness will cut them off at the knees before they get anywhere. Also, now that science is becoming illegal and major universities are being hobbled, engineering will be building soap-box racers, not starships.
pocket vito:
↳ Hunterian @6:29
And obviously they don’t actually want to make things better for humanity. They hate people, they hate beauty, and they hate everything that makes life worth living.Webhamster Henry: The rampant innumeracy of decision makers and voters is really driving some insane priorities.
Mark Hurst:
↳ Handy Haversack @6:30
good pointerCooh John:
↳ StringOFperils @6:17
Point taken but he did it representing me, you, and the USA.Hunterian: "but other than that, Adam…" Exactly!
Handy Haversack:
↳ Mark Hurst @6:31
I wonder sometimes if it was a corrective to the Mars Trilogy, but those planets are still settled in it.PaulRobeson1925: “Hey let’s go to Mars” Sure, but no air and get this, no toilets
Webhamster Henry: Here's an exercise: what is 1 billion? airoutslowly.blogspot.com...
There's also an audio version of it.
Mennlinn Rebarts: I am now part of "The Radiation Levels are Too Damn High!" party.
Sara Clemens:
↳ Mark Hurst @6:30
Ok fine I guess everything's a game, good news for us gamersultradamno: ...and sharks, I think there were sharks then, they do pre-date trees
dale: 'goodnight oppy' shows a great visualization of the mars surface.
pocket vito: First the artists will move to Mars because it’s cheap, then the coffee places will come, then the wine bars, and suddenly it will be the hippest place to live.
PaulRobeson1925: Great comparison
ultradamno: Wait, so Matt Damon died of cancer after sciencing the shit out of gardening?
Folsom: The Cautionary Tales podcast had a episode about the E.A. guys, kinda nuts.
malĥerbo (nl): We have still much to learn about our own place. Just wanting to do something with Mars might just be the carrot to make learning about earth a reality. Because making lots of money fanning climate fear or trading co2 rights and the likes surely wont.
Hunterian: "There is nothing we could do to this planet that would make it a worse option than Mars." Thank you. This guy gets it.
Vanejsa: Great interview today, I gotta read this.
Mark Hurst:
↳ Vanejsa @6:36
Thanks, Vanejsa - it's a great readMarciB: Brian Merchant's recent Substack had a great and informative take on this nonsense - he attended some conference on AI and futurists etc.
Black Window: I’m hurt
Mark Hurst:
↳ Hunterian @6:36
Yep I also appreciated that phrase!Aitch: Elon never the same after he read Sirens of Titan.
MarciB: Also, why don't they all leave now? Just like the end of "Don't Look Up".
StringOFperils: The de-terra-forming of Earth is going nicely. That's been effective.
chris in the redwoods:
↳ MarciB @6:38
"we'll figure out the tricky bit in transit." i love this idea for them.ultradamno: I think the appeal is: a smaller planet that only the very richest people can get to. The VIP room of the solar system
New Dave: we can roll up our sleeves and make a garden HERE
ultradamno: Same goes for Europa, Ganymede or any other pipe dream gas giant moon
Sara Clemens:
↳ ultradamno @6:39
Yeah they don't want the poors to be anywhere around themchris in the redwoods:
↳ Sara Clemens @6:40
but who will open the bottles of Crystal?PaulRobeson1925: Musk and his co-horts benefit from the status quo. Talking about Mars and the moon is a great way to distract the public from what we could accomplish here. And it makes a great headline. MOON. MARS. EXPLORATION.
Ken From Hyde Park: Occupy marzipan!
Aitch:
↳ Sara Clemens @6:40
Didn't work out so well in Hitchhikers Guideultradamno:
↳ chris in the redwoods @6:41
A few lower millionairesdale: ronny cox made a good career out of playing a sci-fi total dick. 'apple's way' not included.
Webhamster Henry:
↳ PaulRobeson1925 @6:41
MOON! MARS! SQUIRREL!Stu Horvath: Am I misremembering that the space colony in Neuromancer had an O2 tax?
Sara Clemens:
↳ chris in the redwoods @6:41
that's the Twilight Zone ending right theredale: so much of our politics is basically determined by racists.
Webhamster Henry:
↳ Stu Horvath @6:42
Hey Apple TV+ is finally doing a version of Neuromancer! I hope they give it a 1984-era-idea-of-the-future style!ultradamno:
↳ dale @6:43
A group also very concerned about baby productionStringOFperils: What about alternate artificial intelligence? Kelly where are you now?
PaulRobeson1925: Adam is good on the radio
chris in the redwoods:
↳ Sara Clemens @6:43
lol! perfect.Cooh John: Let's see if we can fix the problems at home, first.
Hunterian:
↳ PaulRobeson1925 @6:44
AbsolutelyKen From Hyde Park: The army can use Cybertrucks for target practice. The tricky part might be figuring out which one contains EM.
ultradamno: In WSB terms: become space jellyfish
Webhamster Henry: A Head-in-a-jar is more feasible than living on Mars, though.
Handy Haversack: I just finished Annlee Newitz'ers The Terraformers, which, yes, is a fantasy but in space. Super posthuman in trappings but also deeply about the danger of nostalgia and the creation of and use of race as a strategy to divide workers from unifying around what they actually have in common: oppression from owners.
Also, it has sentient trains, which are pretty cool. Worth a read.
Bas NL: Let's try prosthetic brains. Good first start.
Fredericks: Musk has already made multiple promises that did not materialize. He's just another con man.
PaulRobeson1925: “just 22 and l don’t mind dying, whooo 🎶do you love now whoo do you love” - Mr.Morrison
Black Window: Yeah…
Webhamster Henry:
↳ Fredericks @6:48
"And it won't make one bit of difference if you answer right or wrong - when you're rich they think you really know!" -- Tevye the Milkmancoelacanth∅: Thanks Mark! Thanks Adam!
Fredericks:
↳ PaulRobeson1925 @6:48
The author is Mr. Bo Diddley.Handy Haversack:
↳ Song: "Mark's comments"
Good dog.Stu Horvath: Really impressed with that whole conversation not including a single cuss word.
New Dave: Truly great interview
ultradamno: I think all this may just be a hangover from creating a computer that once filled a room fit into the palm of your hand...that being done fooled them into thinking anything can.
chris in the redwoods: has to be one of my fav tectonic interviews. wonderful stuff. thanks, Mark and Adam, er. Dr. Becker. :)
PaulRobeson1925e: Shake dreams from your hair my sweet one
Adam & Mark- NM NEAR MINT +
Handy Haversack:
↳ Stu Horvath @6:50
Well, Mark is a skilled editor!Stu Horvath:
↳ Handy Haversack @6:50
HACooh John: Technocrats=capitalists!
Tom from Stirling: Takeshi Kovacs
Webhamster Henry: Live forever - some fungi are much better thtn a human genome would allow. www.sciencealert.com...
dale: wtf is this guy talking about!!
ultradamno: Unless we're trans-ing into Silver Surfers, why bother.
bleubombersune: Bring on the Borg Integration the final solution
Handy Haversack: Fix your hearts or die.
Stu Horvath: love how these brainiacs can't string a convincing sentence together.
Sara Clemens:
↳ ultradamno @6:53
I herald Galactus!PaulRobeson1925e:
↳ Fredericks @6:50
It sure is. It sure is, my friend. But I am quoting another manGood evening, Mr.Fredericks
Sara Clemens:
↳ Handy Haversack @6:54
My man! ::fist bump::Folsom: Ross Douthat, I don't bother reading/listening to his stuff.
Tom from Stirling: Alien: Earth
StringOFperils: What a weird world.
Handy Haversack:
↳ Sara Clemens @6:54
This fucking guy.chresti: Cultish yep
Bas NL: Thanks Mark! Thanks Adam!
Sara Clemens: GET READY, TECHTONICIANS!
StringOFperils: Same old master race story. Redux.
bleubombersune: Are we all disposable according to the Tech Giants
malĥerbo (nl): Thsnks!
Stu Horvath: Thank you Mark (and Dr. Becker!)
bleubombersune: Thanks Mark and Adam
chresti: Thanks Mark and Adam!
Deano de los Muertos: Thank you Mark and Adam!
StringOFperils: Thank you Mark and Adam.
Ken From Hyde Park: Thanks, Mark & Adam!
Webhamster Henry: Well this was fun, I hope some tech bros are listening to the Techtonic Broadcast Network!
Bea: Awesome interview, Mark! Thank you!
Mark Hurst:
↳ chris in the redwoods @6:50
Thanks, Chris!Sara Clemens: Great show, Mark! Thank you Dr. Becker for your insights.
Fredericks:
↳ PaulRobeson1925e @6:54
I noticed.ViolaChica: Thanks for the great show Mark. Robot strolling around midtown today -- www.facebook.com...