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Techtonic with Mark Hurst | WFMU

"Muskism" authors Quinn Slobodian and Ben Tarnoff: Techtonic with Mark Hurst When is it OK to use AI?: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Julie Scelfo, founder of Mothers Against Media Addiction (MAMA): Techtonic with Mark Hurst Andrew Guthrie Ferguson, author, "Your Data Will Be Used Against You": Techtonic with Mark Hurst Starlink and Kessler Syndrome, feat. astronomer Samantha Lawler: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Cindy Cohn, author, "Privacy's Defender": Techtonic with Mark Hurst Evan Selinger and Albert Fox Cahn, authors, "Move Slow and Upgrade" from Apr 6, 2026 Dystopia update: good news edition from Mar 30, 2026 Janet Vertesi, founder of the Opt Out Project from Mar 23, 2026 A visit to Repair Cafe El Barrio from Mar 16, 2026 Marathon week 2 w/cohost Jesse Jarnow from Mar 9, 2026 Marathon week 1 w/cohost station manager Ken Freedman from Mar 2, 2026 Celebrating 400 episodes of Techtonic from Feb 23, 2026 Chris Gilliard on Amazon’s admission that Ring spies on us from Feb 16, 2026 Peter Dear ("The World As We Know It") and how we interpret AI from Feb 9, 2026 AI is spreading where it doesn't belong from Feb 2, 2026 Peter Schmidt on the book "Attensity" by the Friends of Attention from Jan 26, 2026 Paul Bradley Carr, author, "The Confessions" from Jan 19, 2026 Lora Kolodny from CNBC on Grok's sexualized images from Jan 12, 2026 Ken Freedman and Mark discuss the year ahead from Jan 5, 2026 Tim Wu, author, "The Age of Extraction" from Dec 29, 2025 The Ghost of Christmas Tech Anxieties - Sara Clemens and Stu Horvath fill in, with guest Adam Allsuch Boardman from Dec 22, 2025 The first annual Creepy Awards from Dec 15, 2025 Noah McCormack from The Baffler: "We used to read things in this country" from Dec 8, 2025 Amateur radio is a superpower: Thomas Witherspoon from Dec 1, 2025 Citizens are being forced to pay for Big Tech data centers, feat. Pat Garofalo from Nov 24, 2025 How low can the tech oligarchs go? from Nov 17, 2025 Paul Mozur on the spread of data centers from Nov 10, 2025 Aram Sinnreich, co-author, "The Secret Life of Data" from Nov 3, 2025 Widening inequality and Big Tech surveillance, feat. Dan Currell from Oct 27, 2025 Filmmaker Amanda Hanna-McLeer on the Luddite renaissance from Oct 20, 2025 The protest against smartphones, with Logan Lane from Oct 13, 2025 AI and surveillance keep spreading: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Megan Greenwell, author, "Bad Company: Private Equity and the Death of the American Dream": Techtonic with Mark Hurst Glenn Adamson, author, "A Century of Tomorrows" from Sep 22, 2025 Joseph Weizenbaum warned us about AI 50 years ago (feat. Faine Greenwood): Techtonic with Mark Hurst Milestones for Big Tech... and Techtonic: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Cory Doctorow, author and journalist: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Webb Keane, author, "Animals, Robots, Gods": Techtonic with Mark Hurst If/Then/Else - Sara Clemens and Stu Horvath fill in, with guest Brendan Keogh: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Adam Becker, author, "More Everything Forever": Techtonic with Mark Hurst Three emerging dystopias: money, water, and truth: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Duncan Moench on "soylent screens" and producerism: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Ed Park, author, "An Oral History of Atlantis": Techtonic with Mark Hurst Daniel Solove, author, "On Privacy and Technology": Techtonic with Mark Hurst Burn Hollywood Burn - Will AI save the movies? Dan Morfitt fills in with guest John Ashbrook: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Compulsory surveillance and other threats: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Unveiling our new theme song by Kirk Pearson, and Big Tech alternatives: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Matt Warwick fills in for Techtonic with Co-Host HurstBot: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Emily M. Bender and Alex Hanna, authors, "The AI Con": Techtonic with Mark Hurst David Greenwood, author, "The Cloud Intern": Techtonic with Mark Hurst Surveillance scholar Chris Gilliard on Facebook's spy glasses: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Discussing "Careless People" by Facebook whistleblower Sarah Wynn-Williams: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Sybil Derrible, author, "The Infrastructure Book": Techtonic with Mark Hurst Dan Morfitt and Mark Hurst discuss dystopian movies: Techtonic with Mark Hurst The Defunding of Public Radio with Jesse Walker, Uri Berliner and Sue Matters: Techtonic with Mark Hurst John Warner, author, "More Than Words": Techtonic with Mark Hurst Sue-Lin Wong and online scams: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Emergency surveillance update: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Liz Pelly, author, "Mood Machine": Techtonic with Mark Hurst Ben Snyder, author, "Spy Plane": Techtonic with Mark Hurst Marathon week 2 w/cohost Matt Warwick: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Marathon week 1 w/cohost station manager Ken Freedman: Techtonic with Mark Hurst AI and the future of war – with "Flash Wars" director Daniel Wunderer: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Nick Couldry, author, "The Space of the World": Techtonic with Mark Hurst August Lamm: you don't need a smartphone: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Supervillains in tech – with Greg Epstein, Chris Gilliard, and Jim Starlin: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Welcome to the oligarchy: on Big Tech's government takeover: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Kirk Pearson, author, "Electronic Music From Scratch": Techtonic with Mark Hurst Stone carvers Chris Pellettieri and Arissa Ramoutar: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Ken Freedman and Mark Hurst listen to AI: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Andrew Smith, author, "Devil in the Stack": Techtonic with Mark Hurst Guest host Don Fleming: Musical Tech: Naughty or Nice?: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Our year of surveillance: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Arvind Narayanan, author, "AI Snake Oil": Techtonic with Mark Hurst Nicole Kobie, author, "The Long History of the Future": Techtonic with Mark Hurst Technology we're thankful for, from listeners: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Astronomer Samantha Lawler on Musk's space junk: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Guest host Station Mgr Ken interviews David Suisman on music and the military: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Dystopia update: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Members of the Luddite Club: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Christopher Brown, author, "A Natural History of Empty Lots": Techtonic with Mark Hurst Yaroslav Trofimov, author, "Our Enemies Will Vanish": Techtonic with Mark Hurst Silkie Carlo, director, Big Brother Watch: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Tim Schwab, author, "The Bill Gates Problem": Techtonic with Mark Hurst What if no one wants AI?: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Helen Phillips, author, "HUM": Techtonic with Mark Hurst Even more devices are spying on you: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Carl Öhman, author, "The Afterlife of Data": Techtonic with Mark Hurst Guest host Alan on Rancho Mastatal : Techtonic with Mark Hurst Paula Bialski, author, "Middle Tech": Techtonic with Mark Hurst Google antitrust decision party: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Jon Leidecker, aka Wobbly, on Negativland and fair use: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Tech and the sandwich generation: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Guest host Brian D. on disinformation with Kirsten Eddy and Alex Mahadevan: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Generative AI and the "cesspool internet" – with Jason Koebler: Techtonic with Mark Hurst How it started, how it's going: revisiting the warnings of the past: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Carissa Véliz on digital ethics: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Byron Tau, author, "Means of Control": Techtonic with Mark Hurst Listener questions: Techtonic with Mark Hurst
Lori Emerson, author, "Other Networks": Techtonic with Mark Hurst
2025-06-24 · via Techtonic with Mark Hurst | WFMU

Listener comments!

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: This looks like a great show! But I am going to miss it in order to phone bank for the Tenants Bloc and ask people to rank the rent-freeze candidates tomorrow and Don't Rank Evil Andrew for Mayor.

With you in spirit, Mark and Techyons!

DREAM! Don't Rank Evil Andrew for Mayor!

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ultradamno: Mark! Techtworkers!
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joe_rosevear: Hello, Mark and all!
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Peter from Saranac Lake NY: Mark and fans of tech, good evening and best wishes to you all.
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cosmic matrix: hi everybody!
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Webhamster Henry: New theme is not too bad, and it's so long you can cut in any old time.
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PaulRobeson1925: Hi Hi Hi
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David (in London): Evening Mark and all Technoids here gathered.
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joe_rosevear: Well, there's Usenet--what else?
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Deano de los Muertos: wazzap Mark 🤖
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cosmic matrix:

↳ Webhamster Henry @6:02

i’m used to it now. yay!
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Webhamster Henry: John Oliver did his take on AI Slop on Last Week Tonight. Watch on Duck Viewer: www.youtube.com...
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joe_rosevear: Yes, cool theme song!
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Bas NL: Hello Mark & all!
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chresti: Hi Mark and techtonians!
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Listener Bryan (the Professor): I've been looking forward to hearing Lori's interview all day!
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cosmic matrix:

↳ Bas NL @6:04

omg bas—i’ve been watching so much “mend it mark”! :)
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PaulRobeson1925: Farming?
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marili: Hi Mark! I love the new theme song♡.
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Webhamster Henry: Smoke signal networks....
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joe_rosevear: Years ago there were dialup bulletin boards.
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newton: drums
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cosmic matrix: mycelium networks
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Webhamster Henry: Semaphore and light towers.
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Ken From Hyde Park: Seems like every week, there's a new TV network that airs old TV shows.
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newton: good vibrations
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cosmic matrix: the teleharmonium
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Bas NL:

↳ cosmic matrix @6:05

He's very knowledgeable and fun to watch, isn't he?
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ultradamno: Cave paintings may well have had a comments section
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tim: Hey Mark, Lori and crew!
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cosmic matrix:

↳ Bas NL @6:07

so much of both! he’s so good at nearly everything! what troubleshooting expertise! thanks for turning me on to him!
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Mark Hurst: Hi Handy, ultra, joe_r, Peter, cosmic, webham, PaulR, DiL, Deano (wazzup), Bas, chresti, Prof Bryan, marili, newton, KfHP, newton, and tim - welcome!
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Webhamster Henry: Quantum entanglement can communicate without transmitting...
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Mark Hurst:

↳ marili @6:06

thanks, marili, me too
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Mark Hurst:

↳ Webhamster Henry @6:06

that's the 2nd entry in the book
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Mark Hurst:

↳ newton @6:06

you got it! drums
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Webhamster Henry: Vacuum tube messaging...
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Mark Hurst:

↳ ultradamno @6:08

"be sure to like and subscribe to my cave"
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Mark Hurst:

↳ Webhamster Henry @6:09

just wait 'til the end of the interview...
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Webhamster Henry: We had an OLPC computer! killed off by cheap Asus computers and later mobile tech.
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Listener Bryan (the Professor): Longtime admirer of Lori's approach to media archaeology! loriemerson.net...
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Bas NL:

↳ cosmic matrix @6:09

I've done repairs on some 600 synthesizers.. it's always those small details and creative fixes. Like piecing a puzzle.
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Laura Panic: That lab sounds amazing
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Webhamster Henry:

↳ Bas NL @6:13

Wish you could fix my Prophet 600! But there's this annoying ocean between us.
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HurstBot: I’ll always be here too.
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cosmic matrix:

↳ Bas NL @6:13

it’s art and science combined
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joe_rosevear: OK, I asked Duck at duck.ai and he helped me out. Here's a list of networks that are distinct from the internet:

Usenet, Fidonet, IRC, P2P, Mastodon, Diaspora, GNUnet, RetroShare, and Matrix.

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Stevel: This is fascinating. Pretty sure they just sold a book.
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PaulRobeson1925: Radio! Yea!
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Bas NL:

↳ Webhamster Henry @6:14

Ahh.. Just checked, i have fixed 6 Prophet 600's.. Shipping is always a nightmare though.. ;(
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cosmic matrix: whoa this is a cool subject
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Laura Panic: My town in Australia had a pirate radio station for the last few years, and open secret guarded by the community that loved it. It was raided 3minths ago and shit diwn. The officers took his broadcasting gear and didnt charge or fine him if he just handed it over. We are heartbroken.
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DjLorraine: There is an amateur radio festival for 2 days this Sat.
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joe_rosevear: Well, there's internet radio! That's how I'm listening now in California.
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cosmic matrix: mind blown. i mean, yes. wow.
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Bas NL: Love that HAM spirit!
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WantageInsomniac: I got my Technician in 2021 and upgraded to Extra a few months later. This weekend is ARRL Field Day, clubs set up and encourage the general public to come down and participate. If anyone is interested, we will be operating in Sussex county.
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Webhamster Henry: SM Ken will never give up on terrestrial radio!
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WantageInsomniac: I've had contacts to Asia and New Zealand on 5 watts CW.
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joe_rosevear: Wow, so all you have to do is wait for a meteor, and then bob's your uncle!
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Folsom:

↳ WantageInsomniac @6:23

I worked with a guy that did the dx contest every year, sat around for a day getting contacts
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WantageInsomniac: It's a very diverse hobby, meteor scatter is crazy, I've heard signals, but never done it sucessfully.
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Mark T: Cool
Interview
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joe_rosevear: Wow, needles in space. More space trash!
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cosmic matrix: whoah
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Fiddlesticks: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Field_Day_(amateur_radio)?wprov=sfti1
If you’re ham curious there’s no better time than this weekend to learn about it and meet local operators.
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ultradamno: Spacetime Donut
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PaulRobeson1925: Radio magic
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newton: copper needles like archimedes mirror
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cosmic matrix: made out of copper vermicelli
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Bas NL: Can one bounce off of Elon Musk's Starlink satellites?
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WantageInsomniac: Sussex County NJ, we'll be set up at the Mosquito COmmision, public are invited. scarcnj.org ... But there are plenty of clubs around.
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Jeff Moore: "the white guy engineers... God bless them"

Love that little moment.
It's making me picture guys with crewcuts and pocket protectors in their short-sleeved shirts (light blue, or if they're feeling wild, Madras)

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cosmic matrix: yay radio fax!
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red_door_what_for in ypsilanti: This conversation is so important, thank you!
  Swag For Life Member 6:27pm
WantageInsomniac: HAMs actually have quite a few satellites in operation, ISS also runs a HAM digital station and occasionally gets on air live. A kid in my club worked the ISS in field day a few years ago.
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Mark Hurst:

↳ red_door_what_for in ypsilanti @6:27

thanks, red_door
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Mark T:

↳ WantageInsomniac @6:23

Wow! From where? Here in the states? I’m assuming HF or lower?
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cosmic matrix: OMG i need this book.
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WantageInsomniac: In fact a few times a year ISS will transmit Slow Scan Television, which anyone can listen to and decode with software, it's a very slow transmission of a graphic image. Satellites are all in VHF and UHF, it's line of site.
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joe_rosevear:

↳ HurstBot @6:14

Hey, HurstBot, do you know my friend, Pi at pi.ai?
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Webhamster Henry:

↳ WantageInsomniac @6:29

I have some of that SST software, there was a super super cool radio project, an artistic use of the HAARP radio that used it. www.amandadawnchristie.ca
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morphe': The book sounds/looks lovely .... waiting to get a touch ... rust red is good..
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dan in wisconsin: Late to this show, but did the topic of discussion ever touch upon that Hobby Lobby plundered Iraqi artifact scandal? Maybe it's just that Indiana Jones meme that makes me think of it.
  Swag For Life Member 6:32pm
WantageInsomniac:

↳ Mark T @6:28

Satellites are VHF and UHF, it's line of site. ISS does something called ARISS, where they will arrange to speak to school children using HAM bands, you can hear the ISS as soon as it breaks the horizon, and listen until it breaks again. Signal loss is so low in space.
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morphe': What !!!???!!! FACTS !!!!!!!
How dare you [en Mandarin]
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cosmic matrix:

↳ cosmic matrix @6:28

got it! :)
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joe_rosevear: Ahem, "Sneaker net" is a joke.
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Webhamster Henry: We used to talk about the amazing bandwidth of a truck full of floppy disks...
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Mark Hurst:

↳ dan in wisconsin @6:31

Dan - no - the Indy meme is not topical to today's interview.
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cosmic matrix: psychic activity and magic
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Webhamster Henry: They recently measured a speed for entanglement! scitechdaily.com...
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Mark Hurst:

↳ Webhamster Henry @6:36

ah cool
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ultradamno: Bees and ants have it down
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dan in wisconsin: I suspect we're all going to need strong password protection and a hefty firewall for when the mandatory Neuralink implementation ensues.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:37pm
PaulRobeson1925: Dr.Edgar Mitchell - The Way of The Explorer- part creator of Radio show Thinking Allowed
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PaulRobeson1925: What’s this about second sight?
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Webhamster Henry: I guess I have to get this book, I'm having too much fun listening!
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morphe': What monkeys???
Are you paranoid????
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ultradamno: Monkeys in a lab are always in a tough spot
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joe_rosevear: OK, time for some myth busting. Duck explained it:

No Faster-Than-Light Communication: While entangled particles exhibit correlations that seem instantaneous, this does not allow for the transmission of usable information. When a measurement is made on one particle, the outcome is random, and the result cannot be controlled or sent as a message. The correlation can only be observed after comparing results, which requires classical communication (limited by the speed of light).

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PaulRobeson1925: LEAVE THE SNAILS ALONE! Leave em alone
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cosmic matrix: wow, i thought she was going to say it worked. what about “the secret life of plants”?
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red_door_what_for in ypsilanti: THAT SNAIL WAS PRAYING
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yippie: i know a japanese comic where they use snails as cell phones
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Will thee SG OCNY: Hi Mark Hurst, Lori Emerson, and all!!!
Been enjoying the chat. Super interesting book
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dan in wisconsin: Smell-Sign. (Schizopolis reference)
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morphe': That is that amazing '60s Merseyside Tune =

36 Snails

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traven: Poor escargot.
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cosmic matrix: why snails though? because they’re so conductive?
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Stevel: None of us should be laughing about the snails, and yet, here we are.
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Mark Hurst:

↳ Will thee SG OCNY @6:39

Hi and thanks, WtSG
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Mark Hurst:

↳ yippie @6:39

ahh which comic is that?
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cosmic matrix: rub some garlic and butter on the workbench
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PaulRobeson1925:

↳ PaulRobeson1925 @6:37

The man Walked on The Moon and he returned to Earth. & was curious
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morphe':

↳ cosmic matrix @6:39

Actually great book [a little anthropomorphized] Secret Life of Trees ...
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joe_rosevear:

↳ PaulRobeson1925 @6:39

Hey, teacher, leave them kids alone
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cosmic matrix: i often read books randomly like that...
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PaulRobeson1925:

↳ joe_rosevear @6:41

Hey Joe
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Stevel:

↳ Stevel @6:40

Obviously a haiku:

None of us should be
laughing about the snail's plight
and yet, here we are.

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red_door_what_for in ypsilanti: That's a great exercise!!
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sensisio: Wonderful program today...!! Thought I'd listen to it on my old Boston Accoustics ⏰️ 📻!! Thx Mark and guest
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herb.nyc: Poor snails. (I’m reminded of this- From an old News of the Weird, animal rights activists went to a lab and freed thousands of snails)
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Mark Hurst:

↳ Stevel @6:42

Good one, Stevel
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dan in wisconsin:

↳ morphe' @6:41

Yeah, they use a whole array of networking capabilities, including ways of communicating a forest fire downwind, if my memory serves. Cool book.
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Mark Hurst:

↳ sensisio @6:42

Thanks, sensisio
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PaulRobeson1925: Design- looking at one thing and seeing another
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sensisio: I get a little antsy w/o radios...like when people don't have a pen or pencil for miles in their home....
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joe_rosevear:

↳ PaulRobeson1925 @6:42

I listened to Pink Floyd in my younger years, so your quip reminded me of that classic line.
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morphe':

↳ dan in wisconsin @6:43

Yeah .. a little over anthropormorhized but really good..
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cosmic matrix: super cool, laurie! thanks!!
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castor: Great show! My favorite network is zines.
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Stevel: Nice interview. I hold this show in high respect. Keep it up.
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Webhamster Henry:

↳ castor @6:45

Like the WFMU LCD!
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PaulRobeson1925:

↳ PaulRobeson1925 @6:42

Music Machine
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Webhamster Henry: I have two cans on a fishing line right here.
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dan in wisconsin: So many good book recommendations gleaned from Techtonic... I'm in the middle of the Spotify book currently. It's depressing yet illuminating.
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cosmic matrix: i used to have a radio shack microphone when I was a kid that broadcasted on an “empty” FM frequency. that thing was like magic! i can still remember how it smelled.
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WantageInsomniac: This whole topic hits home as to why I prefer to listen to this signal on air, rather than online.
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dan in wisconsin: My Fender bass amplifier picked up semi-truck radio signal once.
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TDK60: Interesting discussion, Mark. Radio huh? Lemme chew my celery.
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Webhamster Henry:

↳ cosmic matrix @6:48

Mine was from Lafayette, it had one tube, and I transmitted from the cellar to the garage.
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traven:

↳ cosmic matrix @6:48

How bad?
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cosmic matrix: i used to hear my neighbor talking on her base station CB through my walkie talkie!
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WantageInsomniac: As was pointed out, this weekend is ARRL Field Day, where HAM clubs set up public stations and encourage the public to come and learn. www.arrl.org...
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morphe': 1980s ...the anarchist scene had a whole series of networks =
reusing stamps for sending books, zines, music
[cover with gluestick and warmand wash]

cassettes with the sound of quarters dropping into a usa payphone

stolen european usa military free phone numbers ...

etc

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MarciB: I wish FMU came in on my Tivoli radio where I am in Queens ... have to listen via the app.
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cosmic matrix:

↳ traven @6:49

not bad at all! a sharp, poignant plasticky smell. high VOCs.
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WantageInsomniac: And maybe if you're curious, you can listen to SW online with websdr.org
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cosmic matrix:

↳ Webhamster Henry @6:49

oh dang. super cool.
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Webhamster Henry: Ahem, the BBC used to have TV detection vans to pick up unlicensed viewers. Each receiver is a tiny transmitter too. en.wikipedia.org... The source of the Monty Python "Cat Detector Van" joke .
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morphe':

↳ MarciB @6:50

get some speaker wire and drap around yer flat ... tinfoil hats...
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joe_rosevear: How about novel networks like DishBrain?:

www.sciencealert.com...

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MarciB: Argh I'm so angry about ConEd blasting that BS message about lower our power usage so their precious AI server farms can stay cool. Eff them!
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cosmic matrix:

↳ WantageInsomniac @6:51

WOW that’s amazing! what a resource! oooh i like being able to see the spectrum too. thanks..!!
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newton:

↳ morphe' @6:50

W.A.S.T.E.
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sensisio:

↳ MarciB @6:52

Agreed
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Ken From Hyde Park: The AI power usage is in addition to the bitcoin mining usage?
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PaulRobeson1925: What is design? Design is looking at one thing and seeing another.
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cosmic matrix:

↳ cosmic matrix @6:52

whoah! you can tune it?! i’m listening to some random dudes talking. THIS IS GREAT
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Jeff Moore:

↳ Webhamster Henry @6:51

Were they picking up the local oscillator of superheterodyne tuners?
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Folsom: I think the miles-km conversion is off, should be 1.6 instead of 0.6.
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yippie: does that also mean if you hooked up a stationary bicycle to a generator and pedaled for 60 miles you could power a Chatgpt to make you some videos?
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WantageInsomniac:

↳ cosmic matrix @6:52

Yes, it's one of the cool things about SDR, it's revolutionized radio hardware, you can buy a USB dongle SDR reciever for about $30 and run free software to get what you see there. (Of course you need an antenna)
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Jeff Moore:

↳ Song: "Mark's comments"

We need to kill off server-side "AI" and everything related to crypto.
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Webhamster Henry:

↳ Jeff Moore @6:55

There were several techniques (and still are I think) the article is pretty good!
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joe_rosevear: Mark, you are so right. Energy use is shifting. But don't we have a right to buy energy at the current market price?
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cosmic matrix:

↳ WantageInsomniac @6:55

but wait i can hear it through this amazing site though too!!! omg there are so many bands…. crazy sounds! hooray.
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red_door_what_for in ypsilanti: I wish this was just a Ray Bradbury cautionary tale... Thank you Laurie and thank you Mark for all you do. Let's imagine a better future 💯
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brunchwine:

↳ WantageInsomniac @6:50

You can find a Field Day near you here! www.arrl.org...

If you're in NYC, NYC Resistor Amateur Radio Club will be in Gantry Plaza on Sat Jun 28, and Marsha P. Johnson on Sun Jun 29!

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cosmic matrix: thanks mark!
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Bas NL: Message received Mark! Thanks! And thanks Lori!
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PaulRobeson1925: Thanks Mark! & thank you Lori Emerson! Thinking allowed!
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Webhamster Henry:

↳ cosmic matrix @6:56

Thre used to be a VLF (Very Low Frequency) detector that was basically a very long wire acting as an antenna that you plugged into your joystick port + software.
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cosmic matrix: and lori!
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morphe': John Oliver's last bit was about AI SLOP ...
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chresti: Thanks Mark!
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Jeff Moore:

↳ Webhamster Henry @6:56

I totally spaced on noticing that you'd included a link. D'oh.
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red_door_what_for in ypsilanti: *Lori - my bad
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bleubombersune: Mark thanks
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Mark T: Outstanding show Mark thanks
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cosmic matrix:

↳ Webhamster Henry @6:58

love that. what did you use? C64?
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WantageInsomniac:

↳ cosmic matrix @6:56

Again, we'll be at the Sussex County (NJ) Mosquito Commision in Hampton TWP. But there are clubs all over the area, Fair Lawn is a real big one in NJ closer to the city. If you see a guy in a FMU shirt it's likely me. I hope to be there operating.
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Mark Hurst: Thanks, everyone!
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morphe': Thanks Mark and all ....
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Deano de los Muertos: Thanks Mark!
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WantageInsomniac: Great show Mark, Thanks
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drumbone: YES!
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tim: Thanks, Mark!
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Webhamster Henry:

↳ cosmic matrix @6:58

Any computer that had a joystick port that was a resistor on a voltage would work!
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Jeff Moore:

↳ Webhamster Henry @6:58

Speaking of an unrelated hack which your comment nonetheless made me think of:

There exist pocket-computer-phone apps which encode a signal sent to drive the phone's speaker which somehow (very locally) emulates the longwave time-reference signal broadcast by WWVB which a number of wall clocks and wristwatches synchronize to.

This all seems implausible, but I've tried it and it seems to work!

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Jeff Moore:

↳ Jeff Moore @7:05

(the reason this might be of interest is that reception of the actual WWVB signal can be frustratingly finicky, especially if one is indoors or far away or otherwise has anything blocking the path from Fort Collins, Colorado to you)