Listener comments!

🤖 ♥ 5:51pm
: Mark! Techtonffled@ 🤖 ♥ 5:52pm
ultradamno: ...err, Techtonffled! rather... 🤖 ♥ 5:53pm
Handy Haversack: I have to go do a thing so can't stick around for the show, but I want to say that I read Noah's article in print in The Baffler, which is delivered to my home by a person every few months. One of the best issues in recent memory -- forcing it on K8 and then other people. Thanks, Noah!

And Mark!

And all!

OK, out into the cold.

🤖 ♥ 6:01pm
Deano de los Muertos: Yo Mark and gang 🤖 ♥ 6:02pm
Bas NL: Hi Mark! Hi all! ♥ 6:03pm
Hunterian:

↳ Handy Haversack @5:53

Have fun at your thing, HH, and I second your opinion on The Baffler! 🤖 ♥ 6:03pm
chresti: Hi Mark and markers! 🤖 ♥ 6:05pm
tim: Hey Mark and Noah! 🤖 ♥ 6:06pm
Ken From Hyde Park: Hello, Mark and Noah and baffloons!   6:07pm
Bea: Hi, Mark! Good evening, all! ♥ 6:07pm
McGroovey: I used to buy the Baffler on paper. I still have several. 🤖 ♥ 6:08pm
Webhamster Henry: Hi Friends! I read! Like "En💩ification" 🤖 ♥ 6:09pm
Webhamster Henry: I'm thinking of subscribing to the Paper copy of the Onion.   6:12pm
Marie in Chicago: Hi Mark, hi All! This is so interesting 🤖 ♥ 6:15pm
Webhamster Henry: There is a LOT of AI bumping out, un, meat-written content. 🤖 ♥ 6:15pm
Webhamster Henry: *um ♥ 6:16pm
McGroovey: OK. I just subscribed to the Baffler. The paper version. 👍   6:16pm
Marie in Chicago: That explains why the right/many Republicans have opposed public education for all in the US ♥ 6:17pm
Hunterian:

↳ McGroovey @6:16

Mitzvah achieved. You won't regret it. 🤖 ♥ 6:18pm
Webhamster Henry: I am perhaps the only guy who benefitted from New Math. www.youtube.com... 🤖 ♥ 6:19pm
tim: Elitism can go screw.   6:22pm
wimpy: yeah I mean joyce was from a working class background   6:22pm
yippie: I like the way James Joyce refers to oatmeal as “stirabout”. Now I call oatmeal “stirabout” a lot 🤖 ♥ 6:23pm
chresti:

↳ yippie @6:22

Funny! 🤖 ♥ 6:24pm
Webhamster Henry: There were like 7 dailies in NYC area in the early 60s before the Herald Trib folded. 🤖 ♥ 6:26pm
Webhamster Henry: Well, local news deserts also grow up, and what's really gone are those in-depth investigative articles. 6:28pm
MarciB:

↳ Marie in Chicago @6:16

100%!!   6:30pm
Marie in Chicago: I love to hear what reading does. I often wonder. Of course, I could look it up... 🤖 ♥ 6:31pm
Will thee SG OCNY: Good evening Mark Hurst and all!!!   6:33pm
Marie in Chicago: People continually blow my mind--re: liking that kind of "garbage"   6:33pm
Listener Robert: My friend Damon Lindelof was a writer for a short-lived ABC TV series CALLED "Wasteland"! 🤖 ♥ 6:33pm
Webhamster Henry: How about those old school Google AI pix that looked like just dogs and eyes? 🤖 ♥ 6:33pm
chresti: I missed that one 6:33pm
MarciB: I remember RIF- the reading is fundamental program of the 60s + 70s- and driving my mom crazy with ordering paperback books from school... still remember the paper brochure. Yes I'm a book hoarder - as I'm sure many of you are! Reading on paper is so important and looking forward to subscribing to The Baffler! 🤖 ♥ 6:34pm
chresti: @shrimp jesus 🤖 ♥ 6:34pm
Webhamster Henry: It's really the "don't cares" that are the problem. ♥ 6:35pm
Hunterian:

↳ Webhamster Henry @6:34

bingo   6:35pm
Marie in Chicago:

↳ MarciB @6:28

Yeah, it's hard to believe they are so open about it. Another reason funding is based on location and schools in poor districts have less funding. You'd think that would not have been allowed to last 🤖 ♥ 6:35pm
chresti:

↳ Webhamster Henry @6:34

From over exposure? 6:35pm
MarciB: Yes - my husband was in Africa years ago and sent me photos of giraffes crossing the dirt road...he said " so much better than photoshop" at the time...   6:36pm
Marie in Chicago: I was in South Africa and Zimbabwe a while ago and remember seeing a sleeping hippo on the hillside near this outdoor restaurant 6:36pm
MarciB:

↳ Marie in Chicago @6:35

You hit the nail on the head here. Marie. Keep 'em poor, keep 'em stupid...etc.   6:37pm
Listener Robert: No, actually the worse problem is when AI tries to anticipate self-harm or harming others, and won't give you information about the subject. ♥ 6:37pm
Buckaroo: I'd like to hear more about what "reading" actually means in the context that McCormack talks about - it seems to me reading is more than being able to recognize the symbols on a page as words - it's more about being able to analyze the meaning of those words. Members of my family can "read," but if that process leads them to believe that vaccines cause autism, can we really call them literate? 6:37pm
MarciB:

↳ Marie in Chicago @6:36

That must have been mind blowing! I get excited by the mourning doves on my front steps- your sleeping hippo is amazing!   6:38pm
Marie in Chicago:

↳ MarciB @6:36

Yep, and racism has been used as tool--so sad, hugely tragic, and totally immoral 🤖 ♥ 6:39pm
ultradamno: I've noticed on twitter that a bubble comes up in the corner of any post you look at that says "ask Grok to explain this post". Don't think for a second, Grok is here to spare you that...   6:39pm
Marie in Chicago:

↳ MarciB @6:37

yeah, it really was. I think about it @)   6:41pm
Listener Robert: I have a friend who has to formulate tricky prompts for graphics-generative AI to defeat their probing to detect Nazi symbolism, for instance.   6:42pm
Marie in Chicago: I heard/saw in the news that some kind of "alternate reality" that Meta has been investing in apparently is not doing so well and they're cutting back funding for it 🤖 ♥ 6:43pm
Webhamster Henry: Well, the videos are "Soma" of the Brave New World. 6:43pm
jeanli:

↳ Buckaroo @6:37

Yes that is an excellent point--LITERACY is different than just "reading". Media literacy is what i required in our world. How to READ an immge, a meme, a post, a news article, a book 6:44pm
MarciB: A recent client of mine who worked for the federal govt bemoaned to me how Americans are more engaged in sporting events rather than protesting the demise of democracy. He shared how our tax dollars are being wasted... 🤖 ♥ 6:44pm
Will thee SG OCNY:

↳ Webhamster Henry @6:43

Yea pretty much, video crack 🤖 ♥ 6:44pm
Webhamster Henry:

↳ Listener Robert @6:41

There's a story that if you couch your prompt as poetry, it can slip by the robot's content safety filters / censors.   6:45pm
Listener Robert: The trouble with what you're saying now is forgetting that language is just a tool and a substitute for the real thing. 🤖 ♥ 6:45pm
ultradamno: This hockey player trope, is that what Heated Rivalry is about? 🤖 ♥ 6:46pm
Webhamster Henry: Hey I'm genning AI romance books and since the genre is pretty much trash, it works pretty well! (not selling them though, still in the research stage). 🤖 ♥ 6:47pm
tim:

↳ ultradamno @6:45

You mean Slap Shot was just a trope?!?! ♥ 6:47pm
coelacanth∅: there's no reason to have any association with tictock.
there's no excuse. 6:47pm
jeanli:

↳ Listener Robert @6:45

"One could of course argue that this is not the real thing, but then—please, anybody—show me this real thing" Hito Steyerl   6:49pm
Marie in Chicago: I do see signs that some local governments here are starting to regulate some things, like phones in high school... 🤖 ♥ 6:49pm
ultradamno:

↳ tim @6:47

I don't know, Cowards Bend The Knee and Goon are the only hockey movies I really know...   6:51pm
Listener Robert:

↳ Marie in Chicago @6:49

So it's not enough that they take your money and compel attendance, they need your undivided attention as well? How authoritarian can an institution get?   6:51pm
castor: No, don't reform the state, we gotta SMASH THE STATE!!!   6:51pm
Marie in Chicago: It seems to me that a lot of tech bros/leaders lack common sense and social intelligence. Maybe that will always weaken the industry? Mamdani is a ray of hope.... I mean the fact that he won   6:52pm
Marie in Chicago:

↳ Listener Robert @6:51

ha ha ha!   6:53pm
Marie in Chicago: Australia just banned kids 16 and under (or something like that) from social media 🤖 ♥ 6:53pm
chresti:

↳ Marie in Chicago @6:51

They are/were a bunch of shut-ins, tech bros. 6:54pm
Pianoman:

↳ Marie in Chicago @6:53

How do they plan to enforce that? 🤖 ♥ 6:54pm
ultradamno: This religion will flourish if Netflix Bros. allow it.   6:54pm
Marie in Chicago:

↳ chresti @6:53

yeah, like close to being inches? @))   6:55pm
Marie in Chicago:

↳ Marie in Chicago @6:54

I meant INCELS   6:55pm
Listener Robert: You sure "Ileum" isn't an intestine reference?   6:55pm
Tony:

↳ Song: "Theme from Techtonic" by "Kirk Pearson"

Yes, French numbers are pretty ridiculous. And instead of 75 they say sixty-fifteen 🤖 ♥ 6:55pm
herb.nyc: Dinner almost over. Tasted real good, tho the possible future we’re hearing is real bad. Thank you, the baffler. Excellent interview, mark.

Reading now, Carl hiaasen’s HOOT, a young adult book. Hes great

  6:55pm
Lyman: There was an episode of The Outer Limits (1965?) featuring a futuristic soldier being directed by his helmet! 🤖 ♥ 6:55pm
spacecadet: oh man, a show on your Greek reading would be great   6:55pm
su: what i took from Jaynes was that what the ancients perceived as the voice of the gods was actually the other hemisphere of the brain. but The Master and his Emissary takes that a step further 🤖 ♥ 6:55pm
chresti:

↳ Marie in Chicago @6:55

Ha yes!   6:55pm
Marie in Chicago:

↳ Pianoman @6:54

Hey Pianoman, I do not know. I just saw the headline in the Guardian 🤖 ♥ 6:56pm
Deano de los Muertos: Thanks Mark and Noah 6:56pm
dro: I’m still debating whether Julian Jaynes was a crazy or a genius… his main theory in Bicameral Mind was that people evolved consciousness in the 2nd millenium BCE…   6:57pm
Marie in Chicago:

↳ chresti @6:55

so sad--there has to be an epic, awesome comedy made somewhere built around that, someday ♥ 6:57pm
bleubombersune: Thanks Mark and Noah   6:57pm
castor: Have fun reading Ulysses Mark! I’ve been reading it repeatedly in a weekly reading group and I’m on like the 5th time now, and I find it really helps to read it out loud among friends and have a laugh with it. 🤖 ♥ 6:57pm
tim: Thanks, Mark and Noah! Great conversation!   6:57pm
Marie in Chicago: I've been meeting people who are finding IG and FB to be going down the crapper 6:58pm
dro: Iain McGilchrist is also controversial for other reasons… 🤖 ♥ 6:58pm
chresti: Thanks Mark and Noah!   6:58pm
gabriel: great show. currently reading watership down. i blew up my career in film/media, sold my house in nj and moved to vermont where i am now a park ranger--ai and social media free. thanks mark! 🤖 ♥ 6:58pm
Bas NL: Thanks Mark and Noah! 6:58pm
Pianoman: Thanks Mark great show . Cullan here.   6:58pm
Marie in Chicago: Thanks Mark and Noah! 🤖 ♥ 6:58pm
Deano de los Muertos:

↳ Marie in Chicago @6:57

I’m off both, and Google   6:59pm
Marie in Chicago:

↳ gabriel @6:58

wow--sounds great!   6:59pm
castor: Thanks Mark and Noah! ♥ 6:59pm
coelacanth∅: Thanks Mark! Thanks Noah! ♥ 6:59pm
Mark Hurst: Thanks, everyone!   7:00pm
Marie in Chicago:

↳ Deano de los Muertos @6:58

good for you!!! I still need to switch over my email, but most of it now is bills and announcements and sales so I don't know how much info they can glean from that anymore... go for it, Deano! 🤖 ♥ 7:00pm
Will thee SG OCNY: Thank you Mark and Noah!!! 🤖 ♥ 7:01pm
chresti: Mark Z is like a noodle 🤖 ♥ 7:01pm
Ken From Hyde Park: Thanks, Mark & Noah.   6:58pm
Catherine M: Dave Mandle with a hint of scandal