Listener comments!

🤖 ♥ 6:00pm
: Ahoy Mark! 🤖 ♥ 6:01pm
David (in London): Evening Mark and all Technoids here assembled.   6:01pm
Bea: Good evening, Mark and Techtonic fans! 🤖 ♥ 6:02pm
Bas NL: Hi Mark! Hi all! Hi AI! 🤖 ♥ 6:03pm
Hugo (NL): Hi! 🤖 ♥ 6:03pm
Ken From Hyde Park: Swapping wheat fields for data centers, that's the business! www.inforum.com... (Possibly behind paywall.) 6:05pm
morphe': A I !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Think I can avoid it and walk sideways, but I guess that is naive ???

🤖 ♥ 6:05pm
DjLorraine: Im technically listening, hello 🤖 ♥ 6:05pm
Webhamster Henry: Hi Mark & Friends! My Cory Doctorow En💩ifcation book showed up today.   6:06pm
malĥerbo (nl): Hi Mark, hi techtonicians! ♥ 6:09pm
dale: i listen to wicb (ithaca college) sometimes.....hey now. that area is too pure to eff up, please.... 🤖 ♥ 6:10pm
Webhamster Henry:

↳ dale @6:09

"Ithaca is gorges" << slogan 🤖 ♥ 6:11pm
Webhamster Henry: Also: yeesh, Indian Point : www.yahoo.com... 🤖 ♥ 6:12pm
Ken From Hyde Park:

↳ Webhamster Henry @6:11

Lovely ... and I thought I saw something recently they plan to discharge radioactive water into the Hudson. ☢️   6:13pm
devilsadvocate: wouldn't returning heated water into the lake cause the water in the lake to evaporate faster than it would otherwise?   6:13pm
Sam: The real problem is the lack of public land along these lakes. They’re almost impossible to access for normal people outside of a handful of very small public beaches. If they drain that lake for data centers it will only hurt the rich people with lake houses. Because the public already lost, long ago. 6:14pm
morphe':

↳ Ken From Hyde Park @6:12

KHP = I'd say officially or unofficially ... they have been discharging their water into the Hudson since day one ...   6:14pm
Sam: Put a data center in New Orleans so every time there’s a flood they can suck up the excess water. That might be useful. ♥ 6:15pm
dale:

↳ Webhamster Henry @6:10

it is....plus college girls on the street. ♥ 6:15pm
Rev. Turnip Druid: Here in Tucson the so-called "project blue" data center project was voted down after some viral posts on the local subreddit.

They basically came back and said .. screw you, citizens, we'll just move the project beyond city limits. So it's still a thing, just out-county.

And of course, our share of Colorado River water is.... not great. So. Yep.

  6:15pm
Hugo: Don't get me started with the gas blowers, there should be laws against them!! 🤖 ♥ 6:16pm
Ken From Hyde Park:

↳ Ken From Hyde Park @6:12

Don't save the Hudson, yikes! www.enviropolitics.com... "A federal judge (U.S. District Judge Kenneth Karas) ruled on Wednesday, September 24, that New York’s 'Save the Hudson' law is invalid." ♥ 6:18pm
StringOFperils: Hi Mark. Hello tech-mortified. ♥ 6:18pm
PaulRobeson1925: Mr.Glen Jones on his radio program just talked about the slop. Lotta AI slop on the internet last few months. 🤖 ♥ 6:18pm
chresti: Hi Mark and techtonicians!   6:19pm
Sam: They’ll need a whole second lake to support the data for all the dossiers of all the people who protested the destruction of the first lake. ♥ 6:19pm
dale: i was a graphic designer doing marketing materials for the new york power authority in the early 90s. the plant was non-operational for most of my tenure there,,,,sometimes inspectors would find people literally sleeping on the job. ♥ 6:21pm
dale: that comment was meant for webhamster henry re: indian point. 🤖 ♥ 6:23pm
Webhamster Henry:

↳ dale @6:21

Yeah. Also "Oh we'll just evaporate that water" -- where do they think it's going to go ? ♥ 6:23pm
egould: Are these FedGov data centers? ♥ 6:23pm
PaulRobeson1925: Pretty depressed area up there near the finger lakes… Auburn for example. Lotta good jobs at the correctional facility there 🤖 ♥ 6:24pm
DjLorraine: Life by the drop, water ♥ 6:24pm
Rev. Turnip Druid: the one out here is an Amazon Web Services data center. So the evil runs deep. 6:25pm
morphe':

↳ Webhamster Henry @6:23

Question:

They either run it through their systems and use it to first cool other equipment or it is so hot it cannot be released back into the lake[s]???

  6:26pm
wenzo: Preach   6:26pm
Colossus: AI is thirsty and humans're in the way   6:26pm
Sam: What if the data centers were just built under water?   6:29pm
wenzo: Nah billionaires are thirsty… AI is just their latest money straw 🤖 ♥ 6:30pm
Webhamster Henry:

↳ Sam @6:26

Some data centers are built underground, which has a lot of natural cooling. datacentremagazine.com... ♥ 6:30pm
StringOFperils:

↳ wenzo @6:29

Its a contest for the best smoothie made out of you.   6:30pm
Fredericks: Radiators cool engines with a closed -non-evaporative- system. Why can't these guys incorporate something like that? They're supposed to be geniuses.   6:30pm
nadia h:

↳ dale @6:09

Listen to WRFI, community radio!   6:31pm
nadia h: Thanks for talking about the cayuga lake data center proposal, mark 🤖 ♥ 6:31pm
DjLorraine: That is not a practical use of water. CA has shortages ♥ 6:32pm
dale:

↳ nadia h @6:30

i will.....i wrote it down.   6:33pm
wenzo: @SoP hahaha ♥ 6:33pm
dale:

↳ DjLorraine @6:31

new york is dry as a bone. i'm worried about our well.   6:34pm
traven:

↳ Fredericks @6:30

Excellent point.   6:35pm
devilsadvocate:

↳ morphe' @6:25

water absorbs more heat energy with the phase change from liquid > gas. You get more heat dissipation with fewer gallons pumped if you boil it. 🤖 ♥ 6:35pm
Will thee SG OCNY: 💕📻 ♥ 6:35pm
PaulRobeson1925: Mark! If they ask you “what can you play”? Just Tell em, anything! Cut glass Chimes or silver spurs can make em’ ring!
Worth every pledge now till forever, baby   6:37pm
devilsadvocate:

↳ Fredericks @6:30

I'm sure that they could engineer that, but it probably would cost more in equipment and energy costs. phase changes (water to gas) absorb quite a bit of heat energy. ♥ 6:38pm
Barney Grubbs:

↳ devilsadvocate @6:35

there’s a little more info here www.fairfaxcounty.gov...   6:40pm
nadia h:

↳ dale @6:32

Its my second favorite radio station...like baby WFMU 🤖 ♥ 6:40pm
Webhamster Henry: "No data incompatibility issues now or in the future." - if you read all possible languages. ♥ 6:40pm
egould: "The book is the ultimate killer app." Word. I've been hoarding books for the last couple of years. When the AI bots destroy 30,000 years of history and knowledge, I'll still have a book. 🤖 ♥ 6:42pm
Webhamster Henry: Glad you are playing this little exchange! It's like something my alter-ego Large Language would do. 🤖 ♥ 6:44pm
Deano de los Muertos: I’m ready to dive in.   6:44pm
nadia h: This is hilarious 🤖 ♥ 6:44pm
Deano de los Muertos: Ready when you are. 🤖 ♥ 6:44pm
Webhamster Henry: "Let's go! (They stay)" -- Waiting for ChatGPT ♥ 6:44pm
egould: I'm ready when you are. Let's exchange polite platitudes, and create absolutely nothing! ♥ 6:44pm
bleubombersune: speaking through mirrors ♥ 6:45pm
The Butterman: Let’s set a time to make an appointment to discuss a time we can meet to get together.   6:45pm
Sam: This is just like so many phony corporate meetings where nobody wants to take a risk or do any work. 6:45pm
morphe':

↳ The Butterman @6:45

Let’s set a time to make an appointment to discuss a time we can meet to get together. ======= to set a time ... 🤖 ♥ 6:45pm
chresti: FUNNnnnnn.... 🤖 ♥ 6:46pm
Mennlinn Rebarts: "I'm glad you're enjoying it" lol!
Can't wait to hear a T-800 tell me it's ready to "get the ball rolling."   6:46pm
su: pretty vacant except for passive aggressiveness   6:47pm
Sam: It’s like Speaker Johnson saying he’s ready to work with the democrats. ♥ 6:47pm
StringOFperils: The book will end up on the hit list. It's uncontrolled. All that content MUST be captured and monetized by a merged corporate monolith. How can the panopticon fulfill its function without absolute sync? That wild horse called the book will have to be rounded up, every last one of them, and broken, and locked up in a sprawling industrial complex surrounded by guard technology. 🤖 ♥ 6:47pm
Jason Isaac: That was amazing in ita own way. There really is no there there.   6:48pm
Sam: Oh god, thanks for bringing up those creepy “friend” ads!! 6:48pm
Yooper_Listener_1970N: That's great! ♥ 6:48pm
The Butterman:

↳ morphe' @6:45

Whenever you’re ready. That was scary as heck. ♥ 6:49pm
The Butterman: First ever award for outstanding achievement in the field of excellence   6:49pm
Sam:

↳ Sam @6:48

I want to tear those things down. It’s so fucking dystopian. What kind of psycho finds that appealing? 🤖 ♥ 6:50pm
Handy Haversack: Thanks for tonight, Mark. Been listening from the yard.

GreenpointCon!

🤖 ♥ 6:51pm
herb.nyc: Hey all, YES- the FRIEND ads are still on subway cars. I’d love to deface them, or remove them (I have a big collection of ad posters). This device is an improvement for society? Fook off. ♥ 6:51pm
PaulRobeson1925:

↳ PaulRobeson1925 @6:23

Utica, New York too. Utica is a microcosm of the United States.

Look at Utica see America

🤖 ♥ 6:51pm
Ken From Hyde Park: The chat bot will advise you to put down $100 on the Lakers!   6:51pm
Sam: Oh ha just saw the graffiti. Awesome. 6:51pm
MarciB: if anyone read "The Circle" by Dave Eggers you know what this is about. 6:51pm
Fredericks:

↳ Ken From Hyde Park @6:51

How do you know that? ♥ 6:52pm
bleubombersune: The death of the Great Lakes. Data centers grow exponentially 6:52pm
morphe':

↳ The Butterman @6:49

As I do nothing in Apps, etc ... I feel aloof, but then info like this makes me kick myself that I am stuck in it even if I do not participate... Be safe Butters !!!
And Young Butters too and all !! 6:52pm
KarenS: His voice sounds to me like Mark Lindsay's ballad voice. ♥ 6:52pm
StringOFperils:

↳ bleubombersune @6:52

"It's basically a big faucet."__D. Trump 6:53pm
Yooper_Listener_1970N: Didn't big grand industrial projects ruin the then-in-USSR big clean lakes (and mayhap seas?) 6:53pm
MarciB: Seeing those ads in the subway are all sorts of horrifying. And yes, Jane Goodall was our last best hope.   6:53pm
Sam: I feel like this would have been the butt of a joke not too long ago. Like “I’m not a loser, I have a friend!” And it turns out it’s just a computer. 🤖 ♥ 6:54pm
Webhamster Henry: That Friend commercial looks straight out of Black Mirror, as many have noted. 6:54pm
Mister Dobalina: I read that the person behind those ads spent a million dollars to place those ads. ♥ 6:54pm
Mark Hurst:

↳ Handy Haversack @6:50

thanks, Handy! 6:55pm
morphe':

↳ Yooper_Listener_1970N @6:53

Yes .. Stalin originated the phrase 2 x 2 = 5
= get the next 5 year plan done in 4 or die or the Gulag .. 6:55pm
MarciB: If you want to support Jane's work, you can order some remarkably delicious African honey from Burlap + Barrel who did a collab with her.   6:55pm
Sam: LOVE Jane Goodall!! She was amazing. 🤖 ♥ 6:55pm
Ken From Hyde Park:

↳ Fredericks @6:51

Alternatively, it could advise you to perk up your life by getting a floral print shirt from Amazon. Or maybe some macadamia nut cookies from GrubHub. Endless possibilities! 🤖 ♥ 6:56pm
Deano de los Muertos: Everyone with a brain hates that crew 🤖 ♥ 6:56pm
Jeff Moore: And… how is the result of plumbing those two super-duper modern chatbots substantively different from plugging together a couple of ELIZA instances in 1967?

TL;DR: it’s not. Just way more cumulatively expensive.

6:56pm
Fredericks: I read recently, Jane wasn't thrilled with humans or with chimps. She liked dogs best. 🤖 ♥ 6:56pm
Webhamster Henry:

↳ Webhamster Henry @6:54

en.wikipedia.org... 🤖 ♥ 6:56pm
Deano de los Muertos: Thank you Mark! 6:56pm
MarciB: Don't lose hope...if you lose hope you become apathetic and nothing... 6:56pm
morphe': So true and amazing ... Thanks Jane and Mark and all .. 6:57pm
MarciB:

↳ Sam @6:55

Yes!! ♥ 6:57pm
StringOFperils: I feel like I'm surfing on a giant turd at this point. But Dr. Jane's right. Without hope.....there IS no hope.   6:57pm
Sam: Maybe we need to fund an ad campaign encouraging actual human connection. 6:57pm
Fredericks:

↳ KarenS @6:52

I listened to Midnight Ride this weekend. ♥ 6:57pm
egould: Thanks Mark. ♥ 6:57pm
dale:

↳ nadia h @6:40

trump will die soon. i just lament the fact that he's enabled a boatload of new asses to carry on in his name. 6:58pm
MarciB:

↳ dale @6:57

Word!   6:58pm
nadia h:

↳ dale @6:57

That is too bad but what does it have to do with WRFI? ♥ 6:58pm
StringOFperils: Thanks for the thoughts! ♥ 6:58pm
PaulRobeson1925: Hope is good. & hope is not good.

“False hope can mean acquiescence to a lie” Hope is very useful. Hope has many uses.

What is actionable is the key. What do we desire and how do we achieve it?

Hope can mean so many things..

🤖 ♥ 6:58pm
chresti: Thanks Mark! ♥ 6:59pm
bleubombersune: Thanks Mark All stray safe and be well 🤖 ♥ 6:59pm
Bas NL: Thanks Mark! Well spoken!   6:59pm
Sam: And ghost your “friend”   7:00pm
Sam: I guess they call it “friend” because “Big Brother” would have been too on the nose. ♥ 7:00pm
Mark Hurst: Thanks, everyone! 🤖 ♥ 7:00pm
Ken From Hyde Park: Thanks, Mark. We can tell Big Data to go jump in a lake! If it's dry, that's their fault. 🤖 ♥ 7:00pm
Will thee SG OCNY: Thank you Mark Hurst!!! ♥ 7:01pm
хtina: Hi Mark, thank you for the well researched eps. ♥ 7:03pm
PaulRobeson1925: False hope can march people calmly to their death. This is one lesson born of WWII.

Comparing our day and age to an ideal type can help us see more clearly…
A loving society is a worthy goal