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Techtonic with Mark Hurst | WFMU

"Muskism" authors Quinn Slobodian and Ben Tarnoff: Techtonic with Mark Hurst When is it OK to use AI?: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Julie Scelfo, founder of Mothers Against Media Addiction (MAMA): Techtonic with Mark Hurst Andrew Guthrie Ferguson, author, "Your Data Will Be Used Against You": Techtonic with Mark Hurst Starlink and Kessler Syndrome, feat. astronomer Samantha Lawler: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Cindy Cohn, author, "Privacy's Defender": Techtonic with Mark Hurst Evan Selinger and Albert Fox Cahn, authors, "Move Slow and Upgrade" from Apr 6, 2026 Dystopia update: good news edition from Mar 30, 2026 Janet Vertesi, founder of the Opt Out Project from Mar 23, 2026 A visit to Repair Cafe El Barrio from Mar 16, 2026 Marathon week 2 w/cohost Jesse Jarnow from Mar 9, 2026 Marathon week 1 w/cohost station manager Ken Freedman from Mar 2, 2026 Celebrating 400 episodes of Techtonic from Feb 23, 2026 Chris Gilliard on Amazon’s admission that Ring spies on us from Feb 16, 2026 Peter Dear ("The World As We Know It") and how we interpret AI from Feb 9, 2026 AI is spreading where it doesn't belong from Feb 2, 2026 Peter Schmidt on the book "Attensity" by the Friends of Attention from Jan 26, 2026 Paul Bradley Carr, author, "The Confessions" from Jan 19, 2026 Lora Kolodny from CNBC on Grok's sexualized images from Jan 12, 2026 Ken Freedman and Mark discuss the year ahead from Jan 5, 2026 Tim Wu, author, "The Age of Extraction" from Dec 29, 2025 The Ghost of Christmas Tech Anxieties - Sara Clemens and Stu Horvath fill in, with guest Adam Allsuch Boardman from Dec 22, 2025 The first annual Creepy Awards from Dec 15, 2025 Noah McCormack from The Baffler: "We used to read things in this country" from Dec 8, 2025 Amateur radio is a superpower: Thomas Witherspoon from Dec 1, 2025 Citizens are being forced to pay for Big Tech data centers, feat. Pat Garofalo from Nov 24, 2025 How low can the tech oligarchs go? from Nov 17, 2025 Paul Mozur on the spread of data centers from Nov 10, 2025 Aram Sinnreich, co-author, "The Secret Life of Data" from Nov 3, 2025 Widening inequality and Big Tech surveillance, feat. Dan Currell from Oct 27, 2025 Filmmaker Amanda Hanna-McLeer on the Luddite renaissance from Oct 20, 2025 The protest against smartphones, with Logan Lane from Oct 13, 2025 AI and surveillance keep spreading: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Megan Greenwell, author, "Bad Company: Private Equity and the Death of the American Dream": Techtonic with Mark Hurst Glenn Adamson, author, "A Century of Tomorrows" from Sep 22, 2025 Joseph Weizenbaum warned us about AI 50 years ago (feat. Faine Greenwood): Techtonic with Mark Hurst Milestones for Big Tech... and Techtonic: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Cory Doctorow, author and journalist: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Webb Keane, author, "Animals, Robots, Gods": Techtonic with Mark Hurst If/Then/Else - Sara Clemens and Stu Horvath fill in, with guest Brendan Keogh: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Adam Becker, author, "More Everything Forever": Techtonic with Mark Hurst Three emerging dystopias: money, water, and truth: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Duncan Moench on "soylent screens" and producerism: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Ed Park, author, "An Oral History of Atlantis": Techtonic with Mark Hurst Daniel Solove, author, "On Privacy and Technology": Techtonic with Mark Hurst Burn Hollywood Burn - Will AI save the movies? Dan Morfitt fills in with guest John Ashbrook: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Lori Emerson, author, "Other Networks": Techtonic with Mark Hurst Unveiling our new theme song by Kirk Pearson, and Big Tech alternatives: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Matt Warwick fills in for Techtonic with Co-Host HurstBot: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Emily M. Bender and Alex Hanna, authors, "The AI Con": Techtonic with Mark Hurst David Greenwood, author, "The Cloud Intern": Techtonic with Mark Hurst Surveillance scholar Chris Gilliard on Facebook's spy glasses: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Discussing "Careless People" by Facebook whistleblower Sarah Wynn-Williams: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Sybil Derrible, author, "The Infrastructure Book": Techtonic with Mark Hurst Dan Morfitt and Mark Hurst discuss dystopian movies: Techtonic with Mark Hurst The Defunding of Public Radio with Jesse Walker, Uri Berliner and Sue Matters: Techtonic with Mark Hurst John Warner, author, "More Than Words": Techtonic with Mark Hurst Sue-Lin Wong and online scams: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Emergency surveillance update: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Liz Pelly, author, "Mood Machine": Techtonic with Mark Hurst Ben Snyder, author, "Spy Plane": Techtonic with Mark Hurst Marathon week 2 w/cohost Matt Warwick: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Marathon week 1 w/cohost station manager Ken Freedman: Techtonic with Mark Hurst AI and the future of war – with "Flash Wars" director Daniel Wunderer: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Nick Couldry, author, "The Space of the World": Techtonic with Mark Hurst August Lamm: you don't need a smartphone: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Supervillains in tech – with Greg Epstein, Chris Gilliard, and Jim Starlin: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Welcome to the oligarchy: on Big Tech's government takeover: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Kirk Pearson, author, "Electronic Music From Scratch": Techtonic with Mark Hurst Stone carvers Chris Pellettieri and Arissa Ramoutar: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Ken Freedman and Mark Hurst listen to AI: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Andrew Smith, author, "Devil in the Stack": Techtonic with Mark Hurst Guest host Don Fleming: Musical Tech: Naughty or Nice?: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Our year of surveillance: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Arvind Narayanan, author, "AI Snake Oil": Techtonic with Mark Hurst Nicole Kobie, author, "The Long History of the Future": Techtonic with Mark Hurst Technology we're thankful for, from listeners: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Astronomer Samantha Lawler on Musk's space junk: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Guest host Station Mgr Ken interviews David Suisman on music and the military: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Dystopia update: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Members of the Luddite Club: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Christopher Brown, author, "A Natural History of Empty Lots": Techtonic with Mark Hurst Yaroslav Trofimov, author, "Our Enemies Will Vanish": Techtonic with Mark Hurst Silkie Carlo, director, Big Brother Watch: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Tim Schwab, author, "The Bill Gates Problem": Techtonic with Mark Hurst What if no one wants AI?: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Helen Phillips, author, "HUM": Techtonic with Mark Hurst Even more devices are spying on you: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Carl Öhman, author, "The Afterlife of Data": Techtonic with Mark Hurst Guest host Alan on Rancho Mastatal : Techtonic with Mark Hurst Paula Bialski, author, "Middle Tech": Techtonic with Mark Hurst Google antitrust decision party: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Jon Leidecker, aka Wobbly, on Negativland and fair use: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Tech and the sandwich generation: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Guest host Brian D. on disinformation with Kirsten Eddy and Alex Mahadevan: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Generative AI and the "cesspool internet" – with Jason Koebler: Techtonic with Mark Hurst How it started, how it's going: revisiting the warnings of the past: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Carissa Véliz on digital ethics: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Byron Tau, author, "Means of Control": Techtonic with Mark Hurst Listener questions: Techtonic with Mark Hurst
Compulsory surveillance and other threats: Techtonic with Mark Hurst
2025-07-01 · via Techtonic with Mark Hurst | WFMU

Listener comments!

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: Mark! Techtoncimens!
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Handy Haversack: Mark! Privateers!
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joe_rosevear: Hello, Mark and all!
  6:01pm
David (in London): Evening Mark and all Technoids here gathered.
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Peter from Saranac Lake NY: Good evening Mark and technophobes.
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Spikey BXL: Hello Mark, luddites
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chresti: Hi Mark and techtonicians!!
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Webhamster Henry: 🎶Every move you make, I'll be watching you🎶 << implicit theme song
  6:03pm
Marie in Chicago: Hey Mark, hey All, I def dig the new opening tune
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Bas NL: Hi Mark! Hi surveilled ones! (Behind you!)
  6:06pm
traven: The ants will take over the world.
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cosmic matrix: just his “vision”…ugh! nasty. yuk no WAY
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cosmic matrix: hi all.
  6:08pm
David (in London): *Rockwell just sits back in smug mode*
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chresti: Wearable whiskers?
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Deano de los Muertos: Hi Mark and all
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MarciB: This country is well on its way to making Dave Eggers "The Circle" a reality.
  6:09pm
HurstBot: Let me ride you.
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cosmic matrix: he needs a “wearable" right up the you-know-where
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Deano de los Muertos:

↳ cosmic matrix @6:09

Wearing a worm in his brain 🪱
  6:10pm
Fredericks: If you don't wear your wearable then you are not cooperating with your health care provider and thus you cannot get health insurance or you must play much more in order to get coverage.
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cosmic matrix: mark, you are right on.
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MarciB:

↳ Fredericks @6:10

Yup - you know that's coming...
  6:11pm
Tom from Stirling:

↳ chresti @6:09

Ned Flanders
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Hugo (NL): Hi Mark, techies
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cosmic matrix: it’s so dystopian! oh my god.
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Ken From Hyde Park: What if ICE gets a whole bunch of fake tips and becomes all bogged down? www.ice.gov...
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MarciB: It makes me not want to travel. Which, I guess, is the idea.
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Handy Haversack:

↳ Ken From Hyde Park @6:14

Use a good VPN!
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Tommy in Neversink: Most people don't know about the AI stuff in the Big Beautiful bill..it's really bad
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Webhamster Henry: Reddit is getting polluted with slaip << my neologism
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Peter from Saranac Lake NY: Any time I hear RFK Jr speak, he sounds quite unwell.
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cosmic matrix: yay, this will help us get off reddit!
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VantuckyEd: Glad I deleted my reddit account last year.
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Tom from Stirling:

↳ Peter from Saranac Lake NY @6:17

Must be the worm side effect.
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PaulRobeson1925: Booooooo boooo
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Fuzzy: Not gonna happen, Sam -- go shit in your hat.
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sensisio: I got the AI email at work the other day...BOOOO...separate but related news...Bloomberg radio said AI has sent out unauthorized blackmail emails. That's awesome. 😶 I'd like to opt out of 👁 scanning
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Marie in Chicago:

↳ chresti @6:09

hee hee hee
  6:20pm
?: sam altman and his surveillance ben wah balls can *@#$&!!!%
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cosmic matrix: scan your eyeball if you want to look at porn
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VantuckyEd: Just imagine that palantir will do with that data.
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Ken From Hyde Park: Can it tell the difference between a human eye and a dog eye? Asking for a friend.
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sensisio:

↳ PaulRobeson1925 @6:19

X infinity
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cosmic matrix:

↳ cosmic matrix @6:20

people will be like, ok ok scan me, please
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VantuckyEd: I'm buying a glass eyeball
  6:21pm
chresti: What if you have glass eyeballs?
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Marie in Chicago: Just went for my annual physical (and I realize how lucky I am to be able to do that) and the docs were telling me about a study using wearables that is looking at atrial fibrillation ...
  6:21pm
traven: Eyeball skeleton . . .
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Handy Haversack:

↳ Tommy in Neversink @6:16

Tommy, we got turned away from canoeing on the Neversink Reservoir the other day because we had a dog with us -- but I kept an eye out for FMU shirts while driving around in case you were nearby!
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ultradamno: Great thing about a monopoly, you can get away with making your product worse to manipulate people
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Will thee SG OCNY: Been listening, good evening Mark Hurst and all!!!
  6:24pm
Marie in Chicago: I was forced to fill out a long medical history on my phone at this one provider today. I'm not gonna go back and I'm gonna see about deleting my account
  6:25pm
A2B: TECH TALK TECH TALK TECH TALK TECH TALK...

Time for Tech Talk!
Hi Mark & Technomantics!

Just a heads up: We have a lurker in the chats. I don't know what he's/she's up to but, whoever he/she is, he/she doesn't seem to have any subversive intentions, le., not trolling the chatboard. If he/she shows up, just acknowledge his/her presence and make him/her feel welcome.

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Handy Haversack: Oh, man, pirate radio stepping all over 91.1 here! They're trying to silence you, Mark!

Can't stop the signal, Mal.

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DjLorraine: How do i describe what a wearable is?
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cosmic matrix:

↳ DjLorraine @6:25

like, a smart watch that monitors your body
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Webhamster Henry: Let's have a show on "Dark Patterns" some time . That's web /user experience design that hides options for opting out, puts words in your mouth like "I Agree!" and "Maybe Later!" buttons instead of yes/no, and so on!
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VantuckyEd: Hells no, Junior. I'm thinking I might opt to being like the non-tech "indians" like in Brave New World.
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joe_rosevear: I searched in duckduckgo.com on "turn off android ai". I got this:

To turn off AI features on your Android phone, go to the Settings app, navigate to Privacy or AI Settings, and toggle off the specific AI-related features you wish to disable. Note that some features may require deeper adjustments in app permissions or settings.

  6:29pm
A2B:

↳ Handy Haversack @6:25

Would not be surprised to learn that government agencies are actually (and discreetly) hiring pirate radio broadcasters to jam low-freq range signals as part of King Don(g)'s agenda against public radio.
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MarciB: Just finished "Careless People" and it was even more depressing/ infuriating than I expected.
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mrs.bucci: Actually maybe this is a good idea to curb people's use of AI--shame their dumb searches
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traven:

↳ cosmic matrix @6:26

The watch I wear is not very smart.
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VantuckyEd: Given the crapola that Palantir plans on doing it's high time to delete as much data as possible about yourself on the web.
  6:32pm
A2B: And why does RFK Jr. always sound distressed whenever he speaks in public? That alone is a red flag in my mind.
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cosmic matrix:

↳ traven @6:30

that’s good. i can’t even wear a dumb kind.
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Mark T: Mark, you are my hero. Cannot thank you enough for what you present every week
  6:35pm
tonyb: The watch I wear has to be wound. : )
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MarciB: In other words, turn us into China. Got it.
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DjLorraine:

↳ cosmic matrix @6:26

Ty. Some chronically ill people are already monitoring. So they won't heed my warning.
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cosmic matrix:

↳ DjLorraine @6:37

it's so tricky if you have to use one for health reasons...
  6:38pm
Marie in Chicago: I think a good app would be one that helps users of a phone switch from gewgle as their internet gateway to another system (I don't know how to do that on my android). But, generally, apps that help people move away from surveillance systems
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queems: i watched this clip on video and it was awful for this guy’s fucking wife, she was dead behind the eyes
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cosmic matrix: lol HE HAS A FAMILY ALREADY? haha
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DjLorraine: The newest cpaps send out data
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cosmic matrix: poor dude
  6:40pm
A2B:

↳ MarciB @6:35

My unbearable younger brother is making China rich with his new retro gaming hobby. And I keep insisting that he should be saving all the money he's spending on a new home instead of bumming around in our house. It's both sad and frustrating to watch, and much less tolerable to put up with.
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cosmic matrix: that happens to me too when i’m getting help coding
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ultradamno: people.com...
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Bas NL: Insert coin to continue our relationship.
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cosmic matrix: oh no, every time he reminds the AI who is he is with a new synopsis of their ongoing “relationship” it’s like a feedback loop that reinforces itself!
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StringOFperils: How it could it not be about surveillance? Your location is know. Your preferences are known. Your embarrassments are known. Your gullibility is known. What could go wrong?
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Webhamster Henry: Just wait for your Tamagotchi to gain AGI.
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cosmic matrix: nooo
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joe_rosevear: Right. Children are too young to talk to AI. Even many adults can't handle it safely.
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MarciB:

↳ A2B @6:40

Oh dear - I'm sorry to hear that. But I'm afraid this is where we're heading...
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traven: None of those men ever wanted be invisible again!
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Bas NL: In The Netherlands anything goes if you get a discount.
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VantuckyEd: I guess the brightside of this AI rush is that all these datacenters will push world temps so high that electrical grids will fail and destroy all of the web AI BS.
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A2B:

↳ MarciB @6:47

We are SOOOOOOO deep in The Matrix!
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bravedelay (fka mndave): saddest staycation idea that i'm about to follow through on: taking two days off to decouple from all of these big tech leeches
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StringOFperils: It's another tool in the toolbox for the construction of the other. The bogeymen. The 'enemies of the state'. Could be you. Step right up.
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ultradamno: SpaceX is not a good neighbor
  6:52pm
rob: Australia sued when Skylab fell on it
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Fredericks: Resistance is becoming a full time job.
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bravedelay (fka mndave):

↳ Fredericks @6:53

indeed it has - it's important to pick your niche and hammer on it
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mrs.bucci: Thank you Mark!
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cosmic matrix: another informative program. thanks mark. yikes
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joe_rosevear: Wow! Interesting show!
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Ken From Hyde Park: Give them a bad review on Yelp. Thanks, Mark!
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bleubombersune: Thanks Mark
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Bas NL: Thanks Mark!
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Handy Haversack: Thanks, Mark!
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chresti: Thanks Mark!
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Will thee SG OCNY: Thank you Mark Hurst!!!
  6:58pm
Quinn02: Thank you Mark!
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StringOFperils: RFK Jr's face looks like Iggy Pop's collapsing torso. Terrifying.
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Deano de los Muertos: Deep breath…😮‍💨
Thanks Mark
  6:59pm
A2B:

↳ rob @6:52

So why do you think the Bahamas didn't sue when one of Musks Starlink satellites landed on one of it's islands? Because it's a "colony" shared between the US and the UK. And no doubt it's governor was silenced by both of it's overlord empires so Musk could continue his percieved "progressive" pioneering of the tech business, all in the name of appeasing those in possession of the world's wealth.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:59pm
Mark Hurst: Thanks, everyone! See you in two weeks.
  7:00pm
A2B: Thanks, Mark! Keep fighting the good fight!
  7:13pm
Fredericks: Bye, Mark.