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Techtonic with Mark Hurst | WFMU

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Lora Kolodny from CNBC on Grok's sexualized images: Techtonic with Mark Hurst
ultradamno · 2026-01-13 · via Techtonic with Mark Hurst | WFMU

Listener comments!

Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 5:53pm
: Mark! Techtonerotixxx! Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:01pm
Deano de los Muertos: Oh, hi Mark Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:01pm
Handy Haversack: Mark and the Techyons! Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:02pm
Peter from Saranac Lake NY: Good evening Mark and techies. Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:02pm
Handy Haversack: "allows users to create, and then publicly post, sexualized images of women and children": I imagine one could also do this with images of men, but for some reason that doesn't feel like the use case ... Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:03pm
DjLorraine: Thank goodness this show is a tech tonic. Hi Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:03pm
chresti: Hi Mark and markers! Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:03pm
McGroovey: Is this thing on? Avatar 6:04pm
Mark T: Evening mark and all listeners of excellent and informative programming Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:05pm
Bas NL: Hi Mark! Hi all!   6:05pm
Marie in Chicago: Hi Mark, hi All! I'm glad you're covering this, Mark. Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:06pm
Ken From Hyde Park: Hi, folks. Are those the people who yap about "traditional values" all the time? Avatar 6:06pm
northguineahills: mark! glad i made it! Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:06pm
ultradamno: It's funny Industry featured a storyline in the season opener involving UK parliament debating internet porn business and still managed to be behind the times (it did not involve AI) Avatar 6:07pm
MarciB: Normalizing this $h!t so the Epstein Files are no big deal...right? Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:08pm
Mark Hurst: Hi ultra, Deano, Handy, Peter, DjL, chresti, McG, Mark T, Bas, Marie, KfHP, ngh, Marci - welcome, all Avatar 6:08pm
northguineahills:

↳ MarciB @6:07

not far off.... Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:10pm
ultradamno: I'm surprised Grok isn't making all these images nazi themed.

Say Twitter, no X, everyone knows what it is.

Avatar 6:10pm
northguineahills: the enshittification of everything..... Avatar 6:10pm
MarciB:

↳ ultradamno @6:10

Give it time! Avatar 6:11pm
northguineahills:

↳ ultradamno @6:10

shhhh.... don't give them any ideas! Avatar 6:11pm
morphe': The Trump admin is attacking the well meaning [and perhaps too lax] EU General Data Protection Regulation (GDPR) ... which protects EU individuals specifically ...The Trump Admin is trying to shatter decency by claiming the EU is violating free speech = actually trying to prop up/defend Far Right Euro Groups, but it spills over into all aspects of on line inappropriate
activities ... including de-clothing people and children for
public exposure ...   6:11pm
Sam: Well, if people want exploitative porn, better it be AI-generated than making real people do it.   6:12pm
Fredericks: You gotta call it X. Exploitative and x-rated. Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:12pm
Handy Haversack: "Grok, now make the picture of Mark Hurst open a box from Amazon ..."   6:12pm
Doug in DC: I call it X because I was on Twitter, and NEVER on X. It isn't the site I was on and I don't want any identification with it. Avatar 6:13pm
morphe':

↳ Sam @6:11

What are you smoking or shooting IV?? Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:13pm
ultradamno: Being Rated X is nothing wrong, ask Loretta, Musk doesn't get to be in her company Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:14pm
Deano de los Muertos: I miss not having to hear about creepy pedo shit every 5 mins. America doing a speed run, right down the crapper Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:15pm
Deano de los Muertos: Ah yes, the “send nudes” Tesla van   6:15pm
Fredericks: Look what you did.   6:18pm
Sam: Hopefully AI will result in no real child will ever being abused for a video again. Avatar 6:18pm
MarciB: Misogynists and pedophilia run amok   6:18pm
yippie: Around new years I went to my friends concert and another guy who I met about 10 times in my life told me his his male school friends (who are now over 40 and married to women) text each other AI generated porn of them all having sex in their group chats. I was pretty shocked and i didn’t think about it for a few weeks until i heard what this show was about tonite Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:18pm
chresti: If grok tells a child to send a nude picture, wouldn't that make grok liable? Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:18pm
ultradamno: Twitter didn't put in those guardrails for the same reason ICE makes a point to use music in ads by artists who detest their agenda media1.tenor.com... Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:19pm
JohnEBGood: I need to read my favorite novel October Light by John Gardner. Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:19pm
PC77: Isn't the EU in the best position to come down hard on this slop? Avatar 6:20pm
Levi:

↳ Deano de los Muertos @6:14

Amen Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:21pm
JohnEBGood: I need to read my favorite novel October Light by John Gardner. Happy New Year ; )   6:21pm
Marie in Chicago: My question is why wouldn't they stop this? Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:21pm
erik: X is pronounced shitter Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:22pm
Deano de los Muertos: so EDGY, elon 💩 Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:22pm
ultradamno:

↳ Marie in Chicago @6:21

I would guess this controversy is exactly what Musk wants. Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:22pm
PC77: Poopy emojis? How juvenile. But consistent with Elmo's personality. Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:22pm
chresti:

↳ Handy Haversack @6:12

Gasp! Ha Avatar 6:22pm
morphe':

↳ PC77 @6:19

Yes but Trump is threatening retaliatory action for any and all
"Editorial Truth internet decency
activities..." Because of Trump, so many companies dropped their "truth vetting' departments ..." Avatar 6:23pm
MarciB:

↳ Marie in Chicago @6:21

Deeply entrenched misogny and pedophilia is my take Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:24pm
joe mulligan: is this how Felon is enjoying himself away from the DOGE headlines spotlight? Avatar 6:25pm
Levi: seems like all tech and media have an equal hand in this. they're all just pushing an appetite for this type of behavior all the time. Avatar 6:26pm
MarciB: And another way to control us uppity womenfolk. We say something - whether popular or not - and we get humiliated by an army of bots, haters and MAGAts. Avatar 6:26pm
MarciB: Lol- Malaria and her "take it down" nonsense. She is deeply unserious. Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:27pm
Ken From Hyde Park: Bring back "Be best!"   6:27pm
Marie in Chicago:

↳ MarciB @6:23

wow. Maybe also they want to keep it up for a while to show thier power Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:27pm
ultradamno: Tim Robinson from I Think You Should Leave Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:27pm
joe mulligan:

↳ MarciB @6:26

just as weak as the "current occupant" saying "Putin stop!" Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:28pm
ultradamno:

↳ ultradamno @6:27

www.themarysue.com... Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:29pm
chresti:

↳ ultradamno @6:22

Anything for more attention Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:31pm
PC77: "As of [2024] governors in more than a dozen states had signed laws cracking down on digitally created or altered child sexual abuse imagery, according to a review by The National Center for Missing & Exploited Children." apnews.com...   6:32pm
Marie in Chicago: It's as if they want to promote pedophilia Avatar 6:32pm
MarciB: Why can't us normal folks and our elected officials mount a huge counteroffensive? Nevermind... Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:34pm
Deano de los Muertos:

↳ Marie in Chicago @6:32

Of course they do, their boss in the White House is one Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:34pm
ultradamno: There was a time when Musk could call other people 'pedo guy' www.bbc.com... Avatar 6:35pm
MarciB:

↳ Marie in Chicago @6:32

Yes that's what I've been saying - a way to normalize the Epstein files etc Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:36pm
Deano de los Muertos:

↳ MarciB @6:35

Pretty much   6:37pm
Marie in Chicago:

↳ MarciB @6:35

Yeah, and to keep and rally all these sick people and haters to one place   6:38pm
Marie in Chicago: He has done way too much ketamine and other drugs. He's nuts Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:38pm
Deano de los Muertos: Hah..Hitchhiker’s Guide? In what way?! Avatar 6:39pm
morphe': Yes the EU is working on it, but they re going soft in the Face of Trump's threats ... Ireland is specifically vulnerable as it hosts the EU centers for Apple and Microsoft and "Apple, Microsoft, Google, Pfizer, Merck (US), J&J, Facebook, Intel, Medtronic, and Coca-Cola paid 56% of all corporate tax in 2021" Ireland is a proxy for US
explotation, but needs the tax revenue.. Avatar 6:39pm
MarciB: Well maybe now we'll see that mass exodus from Xitter that we've been hearing about...   6:39pm
Sleve McDichael: Very minor point, but the word grok is from Stranger in a Strange Land, not Hitchhikers Guide. Avatar 6:40pm
MarciB:

↳ morphe' @6:39

This is the problem - all of the powers-that-be are deeply intertwined with Big Tech. Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:40pm
chresti: What if deep fake images/clips of musk and rump start showing up on x?   6:40pm
Sleve McDichael: Douglas Adams absolutely would not approve either way, it's true. Avatar 6:40pm
MarciB:

↳ chresti @6:40

I'm all for using the oppressors tool vs them...but I wonder f its possible   6:41pm
A2B: Evening, Mark, technocrats & technocrits!

On the subject of unauthorized use of personal images online, whether from portraits, selfies, or group shots, I believe it's time the SCOTUS should consider recognizing this kind of exploitation as a form of identity theft.

Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:41pm
ultradamno: marvel.fandom.com... Avatar 6:41pm
MarciB: CSAM apparently is no longer a crime, Mark. Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:42pm
ViolaChica: Depravity...rampant depravity Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:42pm
PC77: Why? Because the infamous "Citizens United" case legalized bribery of our elected representatives. Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:42pm
ViolaChica: Depravity has become normalized   6:44pm
Fredericks: Where are the QANON folks?

You’d think they'd be swarming X and their government representatives.

Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:44pm
evancuts: I work with NCMEC (National Center for Missing and Exploited Children). They are a terrific organization. Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:44pm
Deano de los Muertos: I miss Fred Rogers Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:45pm
ultradamno: What can happen to you if you traffic minors www.yahoo.com... Avatar 6:49pm
MarciB:

↳ Fredericks @6:44

Hmmm...crickets from that crowd... Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:49pm
Ken From Hyde Park: A person can skirt around X by going to a different URL. To see football, for example: nitter.poast.org... Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:49pm
PC77: "Illegal" activities? How about "criminal"?! Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:50pm
Bas NL: The old church indulgence fee.. Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:50pm
joe mulligan: I love a Mark Hurst outburst. Always justified and in this era of bad signal to noise, more people need to hear you Mark Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:50pm
ultradamno: I don't know what's stopping them. X still has a block function and the app store is the only reason for that.   6:50pm
Marie in Chicago: there was a political scientist talking this AM on the Brian Lehrer show about how one way to try to kill ICE is go after thier corporate supporters and profiteers Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:51pm
ultradamno:

↳ ultradamno @6:50

Excuse me, twitter (didn't mean to not dead name) Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:51pm
Peter from Saranac Lake NY: I thought Project 2025 wanted to ban porn. But if it's a billionaire's web site, I guess it's OK. Gross. Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:53pm
PC77:

↳ Song: "Mark's comments"

"Free speech"? That's the mindset of an abuser.   6:53pm
Marie in Chicago: And BTW Musk being nuts does not excuse any of this and these tech people are unbelievably amoral. We need a law that does not allow corporations to only have a duty to shareholders. They should have a duty to not harm the public, in writing Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:54pm
PC77:

↳ Song: "Mark's comments"

Doesn't Europe have strong digital privacy laws? Avatar 🤖 6:54pm
Noir Lover: Can Grok release the Epstein files?   6:54pm
Fredericks:

↳ morphe' @6:11

And I just read about people falsely naming someone as a perpetrator of a heinous crime and the government prosecuting them for doing so. It was being framed as an attack on free speech.   6:55pm
Deano de los Muertos: website not letting me comment.. Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:55pm
ultradamno:

↳ Noir Lover @6:54

Musk and Trump are friends again, so not for awhile Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:56pm
PaulRobeson1926: The internet is a total flop Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:56pm
common: thanks for this, mark Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:56pm
PC77:

↳ PaulRobeson1926 @6:56

Except for WFMU's website.   6:57pm
Deano de los Muertos: Great show, Mark Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:57pm
Ken From Hyde Park: I stick my tongue out and go "Nyah" whenever I see Musk's stupid cars driving around. Thanks, Mark and Lora. Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:58pm
chresti: Thanks Mark! Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:58pm
PC77: When is AI finally going to cure cancer?
Yeah, we'll wait... Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:58pm
Bas NL: Thanks Mark! Thanks Lora!   6:58pm
Marie in Chicago: Thanks, Mark! Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:58pm
ViolaChica: Wow Mark. Thank you!   6:58pm
Deano de los Muertos: Inflammatory Rogers comment got you banned   6:58pm
Bea: Thanks, Mark! Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:59pm
Handy Haversack: Thanks, Mark! Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:59pm
chresti: They'll take the money and run to mars   6:59pm
P-90: Once again, you’ve horrified and angered me.
Thanks, Mark!   6:59pm
Jim: When any new technology shows up, it is always used for porn - the invention of the photograph, motion pictures, video tape, DVDs, etc. I guess because there is always a market - as Zappa said in his hearings - what if your ugly?   7:00pm
Marie in Chicago:

↳ chresti @6:59

if only! That would be fitting punishment for Musk. Shoot him to Mars! (or at least the International Space Station)! Avatar Swag For Life Member 7:00pm
Mark Hurst: Thanks, everyone Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 7:01pm
Ken From Hyde Park:

↳ Marie in Chicago @7:00

I'd settle for halfway to Mars.   7:01pm
A2B:

↳ Ken From Hyde Park @6:57

I've seen my share at nearby Rutgers U and elsewhere. Even saw one with a wraparound advertisement. Yup, businesses are now leasing them.   7:02pm
A2B: Thanks, Mark!   7:03pm
Deano de los Muertos: anyone know why the “confirm comment” page would keep coming up blank for me?