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Techtonic with Mark Hurst | WFMU

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Carissa Véliz on digital ethics: Techtonic with Mark Hurst
ultradamno · 2024-07-02 · via Techtonic with Mark Hurst | WFMU

Listener comments!

Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 5:58pm
: Mark! Techtonthiticians! Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 5:59pm
chresti: Hi Mark and techtonicians! Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:00pm
David (in London): Evening Mark and all Technoids. Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:02pm
PaulRobeson1924: Morninggggg Avatar 6:02pm
joe_rosevear: Hello, technicians!   6:02pm
Meesalikeu: nice handover from livvy — smoov — and who doesn’t like some gameboy nostalgia — ha Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:03pm
Bas NL: Hey Mark! Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:04pm
Webhamster Henry: Hi Friends! Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:04pm
Ken From Hyde Park: Hi, Mark and technical people. Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:07pm
ultradamno:

↳ Song: "Mark's intro"

By the way, have you heard The 180Gs Trout Mask Replica Replica (which covers the entire album a capella)? Rich has played it quite a bit on The Radio Is Broken davidminnick1.bandcamp.com... Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:07pm
Peter from Saranac Lake NY: Hello Mark and everyone. Avatar 6:07pm
joe_rosevear: No, don't kick my robo-dog!   6:09pm
gabriel: id destroy that robot dog. hey mark and friends! Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:09pm
Jim the Poet: If I was a robot-shaped dog I wouldn't mind if you kicked me puny human   6:09pm
yippie: i kicked that robo dog in self defense Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:10pm
ultradamno: Important question: is the dog programmed to engage in rage function when kicked? Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:10pm
Ken From Hyde Park: That robo-dog would kick you down a hundred flights of stairs if given the chance! Avatar 🤖 6:12pm
herb.nyc: Kicks robot dog- Billy Bragg saw a shooting star and made a wish. But he realized he made boo boo-“is it wrong to wish on space hardware?” From song “New England” Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:12pm
Mark Hurst: Hi ultra, chresti, DiL, PaulR, joe_r, Meesa, Bas, Webham, KfHP, Peter, gabriel, Jim, yippie, herb - welcome and thanks for joining!   6:12pm
RevErie: kick that can!   Swag For Life Member 6:12pm
lpfnrobin: When Siri came out - my daughters used to ask it all kinds of questions - I overheard them complain to Siti that "Your dumb Siri". I told them please dont do that. They asked why - I said because you never know what will happen in the future. It's not good to kick a robot dog nor tell a chatbot things that you wouldn't want to happen to you. Thats my thoughts anyways.   6:13pm
gabriel: woah thanks for sharing that album, ultradamno Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:13pm
Bas NL: Only kick it when faulty. Avatar 6:14pm
future transport: only kick in self defense Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:15pm
Ike: Kicking a robot dog is fine, especially for testing purposes, as long as you remain mindful of the long-term risks of your own self becoming numbed to the habit of kicking anything dog-shaped. You don't want to ultimately gradually transition to kicking actual dogs. As absurd as that may sound now, you don't know what may change in the future. Avatar 6:16pm
joe_rosevear: Carissa has a website that includes audio podcasts:

www.carissaveliz.com

  6:18pm
Meesalikeu: @ultradamo — wat an album — i listened a little — sounds great Avatar 6:18pm
joe_rosevear: And here's a TED Talk by Carissa called "The Case for Ending Data Economy":

www.youtube.com...

Avatar 6:21pm
joe_rosevear: Well, OK. But maybe the AI really does have a point of view?   6:21pm
gabriel: i love proton Avatar 6:23pm
joe_rosevear: Hmmm, does that imply moral responsibility? Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:24pm
PaulRobeson1924: I’m wondering, What’s for breakfast Joe? Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:24pm
Will thee SG OCNY: Good evening Mark Hurst and all!!   6:24pm
Meesalikeu: err, i dont think a king is good idea for an ethics board example - or for anything else. Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:24pm
Bas NL: I think this discussion was first started in StarTrek with how Mr Data was treated and was granted formal individual rights.   6:26pm
Fredericks: Was it here that I heard that the tech world took the extreme capitalist approach due to an influx of the same math whizs that were engineered the 2008 economic crash? Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:28pm
Mark Hurst:

↳ Fredericks @6:26

Yes I've mentioned that in the past Avatar 6:30pm
joe_rosevear:

↳ PaulRobeson1924 @6:24

Hi, Paul! Thanks for asking. I had a quesadilla, a slice of homemade whole wheat and rye bread, a yummy medjool date, and a bowl of oatmeal with shredded seaweed, pepitos, sunflower seeds chopped apple, and topped (after cooking) with yogurt wild caught sardine and himalayan pink salt.   6:30pm
Fredericks:

↳ Mark Hurst @6:28

Poor ethical influences. Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:31pm
PaulRobeson1924: Will the wind ever remember
The names it has blown in the past? Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:32pm
Ike:

↳ Fredericks @6:30

Never mind the 2008 economic crash, people haven't even learned the lessons of the Dutch tulip crash of 1637. Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:33pm
PaulRobeson1924: Have the employee raise their hand to use the bathroom. Like public school   6:36pm
chresti: My son got fired from a remote job because he took a lunch break that was longer than a half hour Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:36pm
PaulRobeson1924:

↳ PaulRobeson1924 @6:33

We do it for the morning show too. Every time a GListener has to go we 🙋 and Mr.Clay allows us to go. Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:37pm
PaulRobeson1924: Privacy! Please!   6:42pm
Dean: I live in a much less wealthy neighborhood, and so the cost of purchasing the four houses around my place wasn't so difficult. Avatar 6:42pm
dk50b:

↳ Fredericks @6:26

The 2008 economic crash was caused by the Subprime Mortgage Crisis, which wouldn't have happened without the Feds removing regulatory oversight.   6:44pm
Dean: Also, my DO NOT DISTURB placard on the front door knob seems to work pretty well.   6:45pm
morphe': Bono also bought a neighbor's house in So. Dublin for his privacy ... and moved the U2 corp. paperwise to the Netherlands to avoid paying Irish taxes... the country where he gained his start and wealth ... Avatar 6:45pm
joe_rosevear: Mark, that's interesting that Zuckerberg bought the four homes around his own. Here's a link. It says he leased the homes back to the original owners. Hmmm, I wonder if he gave them a fair price that took into account the true cost to the original owners?:

www.nbcnews.com...

Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:47pm
Bas NL:

↳ morphe' @6:45

The Netherlands is home to many wea... great artists!   6:47pm
traven:

↳ morphe' @6:45

Just how much is that guy worth? Avatar 6:47pm
future transport: The Robot Dog With A Flamethrower | Thermonator
www.youtube.com... Avatar 6:48pm
joe_rosevear: Ah, self destructing files! That's clever. I wonder how it could be done?   6:49pm
Fredericks: To digitize is to surveil.   6:52pm
Fredericks:

↳ Ike @6:32

A.I>Ike.   6:52pm
Dean: Related, a book I've mentioned on these boards before, Nissenbaum's Obfuscation, which is like a Steal This Book for our time.
https://www.amazon.com/Obfuscation-Users-Guide-Privacy-Protest/dp/0262529866   6:52pm
Dean: It's a bit dated now, but its heart is in the right place. Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:53pm
ultradamno: In the analog world: Uncovering U.S. Postal Service’s Secretive Surveillance Program www.msn.com...   6:54pm
Dean: Clapper, such a hideous, cynical beast. The antithesis of patriotism, whatever that is. A self-important, entitled, Establishment prick. The US and likely much of the world is so much worse due to the likes of people like Clapper.   6:55pm
?: a robot dog is not a dog. Is it ok to kick a robot? Any robot? whose robot? a robot that does what? Is it ever ethical NOT to kick a robot? Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:55pm
PaulRobeson1924: 7/1/2024: slow going in the special room. Remember to buy more kale and eggs and Chia seed   6:56pm
yippie: and the phone companies took away the phone booths, so now other people on the street can hear us when we talk on the phone. No walls no privacy Avatar 6:56pm
dk50b: Didn't see anyone note how extremely unwise it is to kick NYPD's Spot, AKA Hyundai owned Boston Dynamics' Digidog, or whatever other adorable name other police agencies have given him.   6:57pm
morphe': Thanks Mark and all !!! Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:57pm
Will thee SG OCNY: Thank you Mark!!!   6:57pm
Gaston Musella: Great stuff.   6:57pm
Joey C: Great show Mark. Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:57pm
bleubombersune: Mark Thanks information provided is invaluable Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:57pm
chresti: Thanks Mark! Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:58pm
Bas NL: Surveillance in order to guard Ethics...

Thanks Mark! Thanks Carissa!

Avatar 6:58pm
joe_rosevear: Thanks, Mark, Carissa, and all the Technicians! Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:59pm
chresti:

↳ Song: "Hurst & Ottsc" by "I Won't Google That"

Perfect! Avatar 6:59pm
joe_rosevear: Maybe Duckduckgo? Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 7:00pm
ultradamno: Nelson's character would be listening to the Estevez list....Emilio would be listening to Survivor and other pump up music Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 7:00pm
Bas NL:

↳ Song: "Hurst & Ottsc" by "I Won't Google That"

On Mark's excellent Premium!   Swag For Life Member 7:00pm
lpfnrobin: Thanks Mark! what a great show   7:00pm
Fredericks:

↳ dk50b @6:42

That is also true.