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5:59pm
Webhamster Henry:
Techtonic Tidbit of the day: Cyber Monday came about because e-shopping ready customers, who did not have internet access at home, came to work that Monday, where there was a connection!
Yes totally true. Another input to Cyber Monday was the urgent desire of the nascent ecommerce industry to convince people to buy stuff online, not just in-person at the mall. (Back in those days a lot of people were still wary of typing credit card numbers online.)
6:09pm
NobleDestro:
It's fun to dream about, but people can scarcely Drive, you want to put thousands of them in the sky, above Society? What could possibly go right?
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6:09pm
Mark Hurst:
Hi ultra, webham, chresti, Handy, Bas, Hunterian, Peter, Hugo, herb, and KfHP!
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6:11pm
Ken From Hyde Park:
Driverless semis, because that's where the money is!
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6:11pm
Handy Haversack:
I think other than some drinks, the only things I have bought in the last four days are a new leash for the dog and a twenty-eight-pound bag of cat litter.
Oh, wait, the dog and I went to the bookstore Saturday and got a couple of books!
6:12pm
--:
Autonomous (driverless) vehicles will *never* see the light of day. Ever. Put another way, autonomous vehicles have been operating since 1955. Autopia, Disneyland.
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6:13pm
Handy Haversack:
Yeah, exactly: no one programming the car could take seriously the homeless as a representative of humanity or just worth protecting.
6:13pm
Mattynotimes:
What’s the why? The one question no one is asking
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6:15pm
Cassettivity:
Curious why I rarely hear the impact this will have on the disabled and elderly. It seems to me that driverless cars would have a huge impact on their lives, no?
Venture capitalists can't profit off of improving public transit. Sad, really!
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6:17pm
Ken From Hyde Park:
Fewer driverless cars (and by extension, cars in general); more public transportation!
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6:17pm
Handy Haversack:
Not sure you can say that driverless cars have ever been developed "with the best of intentions." As Nicole just said: it's always for a profit motive. When you're stuck in capitalism -- "growth at any cost," as we say around here, being the only ethos thereof -- then there are no actual good intentions. Driverless cars are developed in order to sell driverless cars.
I believe capitalism allows for regulation, no? So, its not 'growth at any cost'? And also, 'profitable' usually means 'solved a problem that lots of people are willing to pay for'
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6:20pm
ultradamno:
...or the response will be "nothing you're going to do"
Regulation is imposed on capitalism: it is always its enemy. And profitable usually means "created a demand that didn't exist." So ... I guess I disagree.
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6:21pm
Bas NL:
Will the human with perfect algorithms stand up now?
6:21pm
--:
Capitalism does not "allow for" regulation. On occasion capital demands regulation to protect monopoly.
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6:21pm
Webhamster Henry:
They are turning on old decommissioned plants on fro AI Power (and crypto of course)
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6:27pm
Webhamster Henry:
AI is not asking itself questions yet as far as I know. When it asks itself "design me an optimal version of myself" and orders its own parts and gets taskrabbits to assemble it, that's the real end.
Im not an expert, but have read some things on the notion that the capitalism we have now is perverse, in that regulations are skirted, anti trust not enfored, etc. Not that capitalism cannot exist if regulated, but instead they can co-exist (and should!)
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6:29pm
Webhamster Henry:
If the "face jail" was really just a virtual huge, hi-res video screen, I'd love that because I have no wall space.
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6:30pm
Julian in LA:
i did an escape room with a friend wearing those ray bans glasses without anyone knowing... when we done he showed me the video and it was creepy AF
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6:33pm
ultradamno:
Netflix has a new series called Man On The Inside in which Ted Danson plays a retiree who gets hired by a PI to investigate the theft of a necklace belonging to a resident of a nursing home. He wears camera glasses. None of these concerns are addressed, it mostly is played as cute.
Yeah - so just only do that, and fancy ass AirPod with spatialization, but no cameras or fake faces.
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6:34pm
mndave:
Is there an Apple Intelligence ad that isn't showcasing an awful human covering up their negligence or ignorance, because if so, I haven't seen it. That's their use case.
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6:34pm
tom tom the pipers son:
city as computer... a robert moses future wet dream come true
6:35pm
luca:
what's nicole's stance on quantum computing? if ever, it breaks through, privacy may be gone forever
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6:36pm
disco_nap_:
I’m currently on the move but wanted to check in to say how much I’m enjoying listening to Techtonic live for the first time in quite a while! Just watched Hypernormalisation as well…
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6:41pm
Webhamster Henry:
From the article: "Aside from the merits of the projected city, there was also scrutiny of the actions of the Saudi government in pursuing the project. In October 2022, three men of the Howeitat tribe, Shadli, Ibrahim, and Ataullah al-Huwaiti, were sentenced to death when they refused to vacate their village as part of the NEOM project.[36]"
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6:43pm
Webhamster Henry:
There are definitely use cases for people carrying drone craft that can get to isolated spots that aren't too isolated.
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6:43pm
Cassettivity:
I'm going to get in trouble here, but tech does this, they spend millions on market research to understand how the tech will be used, adopted, etc. If you show up to try and raise money can can't show that you understand how people will use something, and what problem its solving,you won't get past a seed round lol
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6:44pm
Handy Haversack:
Trojan Women-ing Big Tech is our last line of defense?
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6:47pm
tom tom the pipers son:
u.s. investment in angola to build rail ways to transport cobalt, etc, from mines in drc just to feed big tech...collusion of gov't and private business= gov't privatized
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6:48pm
StringOFperils:
Good interview. Good talking points.
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6:50pm
ultradamno:
The thing about not dating someone wearing those glasses reminded me of, recently, Olivia Rodrigo said that she had one rule, if I guy says he wants to go to space, she won't date him...upsetting many reply guys with as much chance of going into space as dating Olivia Rodrigo
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6:52pm
herb.nyc:
Segway- in a Douglas coupland novel (likely microserfs, one person sez “yeah, we like to take our Segways to the parking lot and ride”. Sure, because riding to destinations isn’t practical (?).
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6:55pm
Teknishun:
Subdivisions
In the high school halls
In the shopping malls
Conform or be cast out
Subdivisions
In the basement bars
In the backs of cars
Be cool or be cast out
2009: "I'm at a restaurant, I had a hamburger"
2024: "Who cares! your data is being sold"
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6:57pm
Mike Sin:
"I'm at a restaurant eating a hamburger" Who cares? The 100s of people on Facebook who can';t wait to see these photos and "like" them. I don't understand that market, but the market is there for that BS.
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6:57pm
Teknishun:
So maybe punching people with glasses could be ok now?
Listener comments!
: Mark! Techtonstorians!
Webhamster Henry: Techtonic Tidbit of the day: Cyber Monday came about because e-shopping ready customers, who did not have internet access at home, came to work that Monday, where there was a connection!
chresti: Hi Mark and techtonicians!
Handy Haversack: Mark! Techyons!
Bas NL: Hi Mark! Hi heuristic crew!
Hunterian:
↳ Webhamster Henry @5:59
That tidbit is both nuts and truePeter from Saranac Lake NY: Mark. Techies.
Hugo (NL): Hi Mark! Techies 🫡
herb.nyc: Hola. Mark said flying cars. Yes, but think of all the possible parking spots.
Ken From Hyde Park: Hello, Mark and Cybertonic Monday!
Mark Hurst:
↳ Hunterian @6:03
Yes totally true. Another input to Cyber Monday was the urgent desire of the nascent ecommerce industry to convince people to buy stuff online, not just in-person at the mall. (Back in those days a lot of people were still wary of typing credit card numbers online.)NobleDestro: It's fun to dream about, but people can scarcely Drive, you want to put thousands of them in the sky, above Society? What could possibly go right?
Mark Hurst: Hi ultra, webham, chresti, Handy, Bas, Hunterian, Peter, Hugo, herb, and KfHP!
joe_rosevear: Hey, Techies--I'm here!
Will thee SG OCNY: Hi Mark Hurst and all!!!
Mark Hurst: Hi joe_r, WtSG, NobleDestro!
San Pedro Girl: Hi Mark and all!
Ken From Hyde Park: Driverless semis, because that's where the money is!
Handy Haversack: I think other than some drinks, the only things I have bought in the last four days are a new leash for the dog and a twenty-eight-pound bag of cat litter.
Oh, wait, the dog and I went to the bookstore Saturday and got a couple of books!
--: Autonomous (driverless) vehicles will *never* see the light of day. Ever. Put another way, autonomous vehicles have been operating since 1955. Autopia, Disneyland.
Webhamster Henry:
↳ Mark Hurst @6:08
Yes indeed, signed dot-com era veteranMark Hurst:
↳ San Pedro Girl @6:10
Hi SPG!Mark Hurst:
↳ Webhamster Henry @6:12
co-signedHandy Haversack: Yeah, exactly: no one programming the car could take seriously the homeless as a representative of humanity or just worth protecting.
Mattynotimes: What’s the why? The one question no one is asking
Deano de los Muertos: Heya Mark. Been looking forward to this one
Cassettivity: Curious why I rarely hear the impact this will have on the disabled and elderly. It seems to me that driverless cars would have a huge impact on their lives, no?
tom tom the pipers son: hello mark and all
Hunterian:
↳ Mark Hurst @6:08
That's an excellent point: we're not simply saving the test subjects money, we're training them.Webhamster Henry: "My other car is a bright green city" - Alex Steffin
Mark Hurst: Hi Matty, Deano, Cassettivity, tom tom
mndave:
↳ Mattynotimes @6:13
Venture capitalists can't profit off of improving public transit. Sad, really!Ken From Hyde Park: Fewer driverless cars (and by extension, cars in general); more public transportation!
Handy Haversack: Not sure you can say that driverless cars have ever been developed "with the best of intentions." As Nicole just said: it's always for a profit motive. When you're stuck in capitalism -- "growth at any cost," as we say around here, being the only ethos thereof -- then there are no actual good intentions. Driverless cars are developed in order to sell driverless cars.
tom tom the pipers son: is a.i. the apogee of cartesianism?
Webhamster Henry: The Techfixopolists will solve everything!
Cassettivity:
↳ Handy Haversack @6:17
I believe capitalism allows for regulation, no? So, its not 'growth at any cost'? And also, 'profitable' usually means 'solved a problem that lots of people are willing to pay for'ultradamno: ...or the response will be "nothing you're going to do"
Ed:
↳ Webhamster Henry @5:59
interesting!Handy Haversack:
↳ Cassettivity @6:20
Regulation is imposed on capitalism: it is always its enemy. And profitable usually means "created a demand that didn't exist." So ... I guess I disagree.Bas NL: Will the human with perfect algorithms stand up now?
--: Capitalism does not "allow for" regulation. On occasion capital demands regulation to protect monopoly.
Webhamster Henry: They are turning on old decommissioned plants on fro AI Power (and crypto of course)
Ken From Hyde Park: "I'm not pirating movies, I'm training my model!"
tom tom the pipers son:
↳ Webhamster Henry @6:21
3 mile island for oneHandy Haversack:
↳ Ken From Hyde Park @6:22
m.xkcd.com...Webhamster Henry: AI is not asking itself questions yet as far as I know. When it asks itself "design me an optimal version of myself" and orders its own parts and gets taskrabbits to assemble it, that's the real end.
Cassettivity:
↳ Handy Haversack @6:21
Im not an expert, but have read some things on the notion that the capitalism we have now is perverse, in that regulations are skirted, anti trust not enfored, etc. Not that capitalism cannot exist if regulated, but instead they can co-exist (and should!)Webhamster Henry: If the "face jail" was really just a virtual huge, hi-res video screen, I'd love that because I have no wall space.
Julian in LA: i did an escape room with a friend wearing those ray bans glasses without anyone knowing... when we done he showed me the video and it was creepy AF
Ken From Hyde Park:
↳ Handy Haversack @6:23
Division by zero error, need to start over!chrisw:
↳ Webhamster Henry @6:29
I'm listening from face jail right now. It actually does do that. 5140x2160 screen for my mac.Bas NL: I'd love a pair of specs that -when i meet people- would whispers their names to me. I'm terrible with names..
Webhamster Henry: Hey! non-surveillance Ray-Bans are fun!
ultradamno: Netflix has a new series called Man On The Inside in which Ted Danson plays a retiree who gets hired by a PI to investigate the theft of a necklace belonging to a resident of a nursing home. He wears camera glasses. None of these concerns are addressed, it mostly is played as cute.
tom tom the pipers son:
↳ Cassettivity @6:27
idk if regulated capitalism means turning back the clock which is difficult to do... idk if it takes more than the will power to pass legislationWebhamster Henry:
↳ chrisw @6:31
Yeah - so just only do that, and fancy ass AirPod with spatialization, but no cameras or fake faces.mndave: Is there an Apple Intelligence ad that isn't showcasing an awful human covering up their negligence or ignorance, because if so, I haven't seen it. That's their use case.
tom tom the pipers son: city as computer... a robert moses future wet dream come true
luca: what's nicole's stance on quantum computing? if ever, it breaks through, privacy may be gone forever
disco_nap_: I’m currently on the move but wanted to check in to say how much I’m enjoying listening to Techtonic live for the first time in quite a while! Just watched Hypernormalisation as well…
Cassettivity:
↳ tom tom the pipers son @6:33
agree, very hard to take back whats already been 'taken'... I hope that someone comes along and breaks things up. Give us back our local banks!Handy Haversack:
↳ disco_nap_ @6:36
Yo, disco_nap_!Mark Hurst:
↳ disco_nap_ @6:36
Thanks, disco_nap_!Mark Hurst:
↳ Cassettivity @6:36
I agree - antitrust is a good step in the right direction. Just have to hope it continues after January...Webhamster Henry: Scary futuristic city being built now: The Line en.wikipedia.org...
--: Quantum hacking: https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2024/10/the-sad-bizarre-tale-of-hype-fueling-fears-that-modern-cryptography-is-dead/
tom tom the pipers son:
↳ Webhamster Henry @6:38
probably built by same workforce the built the olympic stadiumstom tom the pipers son:
↳ tom tom the pipers son @6:39
workforce that was abusedluca:
↳ -- @6:39
thanks a bunch!Webhamster Henry: From the article: "Aside from the merits of the projected city, there was also scrutiny of the actions of the Saudi government in pursuing the project. In October 2022, three men of the Howeitat tribe, Shadli, Ibrahim, and Ataullah al-Huwaiti, were sentenced to death when they refused to vacate their village as part of the NEOM project.[36]"
Webhamster Henry: There are definitely use cases for people carrying drone craft that can get to isolated spots that aren't too isolated.
Cassettivity: I'm going to get in trouble here, but tech does this, they spend millions on market research to understand how the tech will be used, adopted, etc. If you show up to try and raise money can can't show that you understand how people will use something, and what problem its solving,you won't get past a seed round lol
Handy Haversack: Trojan Women-ing Big Tech is our last line of defense?
disco_nap_: Hello Handy and Mark! 👯♂️
Webhamster Henry: Pivot to business -> enshittification
wenzo: Thanks Mark! Book sounds good!
tom tom the pipers son: u.s. investment in angola to build rail ways to transport cobalt, etc, from mines in drc just to feed big tech...collusion of gov't and private business= gov't privatized
StringOFperils: Good interview. Good talking points.
Ken From Hyde Park:
↳ Handy Haversack @6:44
Also, dogs can sense cyborgs and always bark at them."Isn't that right, Wolfie?"
--: Well, Segway did lead to Mall Cop.
ultradamno: I saw a segway in a parking lot of a multiplex some years ago....security I guess
Mxter Baba: dorky and expensive? presente!
tom tom the pipers son:
↳ Ken From Hyde Park @6:48
except rex...(sleeper)Webhamster Henry:
↳ ultradamno @6:49
the cops by Madison Sq. Garden had them HAHAHAHAH!Handy Haversack:
↳ Ken From Hyde Park @6:48
Alas for Wolfie.spodiodi: Hello.
Deano de los Muertos: Matt Warwick says he used to give segwey tours!
Webhamster Henry: Ultimate Segway derivative: e-Unicycles! store.inmotionworld.com...
ultradamno: The thing about not dating someone wearing those glasses reminded me of, recently, Olivia Rodrigo said that she had one rule, if I guy says he wants to go to space, she won't date him...upsetting many reply guys with as much chance of going into space as dating Olivia Rodrigo
StringOFperils:
↳ ultradamno @6:50
HA haJeff Moore: In case you are unaware of this Fun Fact:
WFMU's own Matt Warwick used to run Segway tours of Liberty State Park.
ultradamno:
↳ Webhamster Henry @6:49
I'm taking you in...get in the back of my scootertom tom the pipers son:
↳ ultradamno @6:50
shows where her pool of "guys' come fromherb.nyc: Segway- in a Douglas coupland novel (likely microserfs, one person sez “yeah, we like to take our Segways to the parking lot and ride”. Sure, because riding to destinations isn’t practical (?).
chresti: ewww
MarciB: This is beyond horrible
ultradamno: Wait...are you saying she's dating aliens (dunh, dunh DUNH)
StringOFperils: It's going to be live video, live blood pressure, live heart-rate, live eye direction....hello Minority Report
wimpy: I’m sure those snap glasses are ripe to be exploited. Remember how easy it was (is?) to get into a ring camera?
joe_rosevear: Whoa! Don't forget to take off your Zuck glasses in the bedroom!
Jeff Moore: Code name Ginger!
www.bibliotecapleyades.net...
Teknishun: Subdivisions
In the high school halls
In the shopping malls
Conform or be cast out
Subdivisions
In the basement bars
In the backs of cars
Be cool or be cast out
Teknishun:
↳ joe_rosevear @6:54
Or dont...Listener: Any alternative suggestions????????
Complaining doesn't help...
ultradamno: By the way, the recording light looks like it would be pretty easy to cover
Handy Haversack: Thanks, Mark and Nicole. Good ranting, Mark -- important stuff!
joe mulligan:
↳ Song: "Mark's comments"
2009: "I'm at a restaurant, I had a hamburger"2024: "Who cares! your data is being sold"
Mike Sin: "I'm at a restaurant eating a hamburger" Who cares? The 100s of people on Facebook who can';t wait to see these photos and "like" them. I don't understand that market, but the market is there for that BS.
Teknishun: So maybe punching people with glasses could be ok now?
Deano de los Muertos: 🗣️ thanks mark!
Will thee SG OCNY: Thank you Mark and Nicole!!!
StringOFperils:
↳ Listener @6:56
Mark closes every show with the main ideas...as just stated. It's a start.spodiodi: Thank you
listener 126464: Status update!
tom tom the pipers son: thanks mark..
Bas NL: Thanks Mark! Thanks Nicole!
chresti: Thanks Mark!
StringOFperils: Thank you!
bleubombersune: Mark thanks, all stray safe and be well
disco_nap_: Thank you!! 🙏 🤖
chresti:
↳ Song: "The Internet Will Break My Heart" by "Chris Imler"
Weeeeee!Ken From Hyde Park: Thanks, Mark. Smart cities with dumb ideas, what could possibly go wring?
listener 126464: Thanks, Mark & Nicole.
Hunterian:
↳ Song: "The Internet Will Break My Heart" by "Chris Imler"
Ein starker Abschluss! Danke, Mark!Mark Hurst: Thanks, everyone! Good comments tonight.
Webhamster Henry: Tech you very much!
joe_rosevear: Thank you, Mark and Nicole!
Bob from Millburn: Thanks, Mark.
vim, baby!
Bob from Millburn:
↳ Bob from Millburn @5:55
oops, wrong week