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Techtonic with Mark Hurst | WFMU

Evan Selinger and Albert Fox Cahn, authors, "Move Slow and Upgrade": Techtonic with Mark Hurst Dystopia update: good news edition: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Janet Vertesi, founder of the Opt Out Project: Techtonic with Mark Hurst A visit to Repair Cafe El Barrio: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Marathon week 2 w/cohost Jesse Jarnow: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Marathon week 1 w/cohost station manager Ken Freedman: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Celebrating 400 episodes of Techtonic: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Chris Gilliard on Amazon’s admission that Ring spies on us: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Peter Dear ("The World As We Know It") and how we interpret AI: Techtonic with Mark Hurst AI is spreading where it doesn't belong: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Peter Schmidt on the book "Attensity" by the Friends of Attention: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Paul Bradley Carr, author, "The Confessions": Techtonic with Mark Hurst Lora Kolodny from CNBC on Grok's sexualized images: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Ken Freedman and Mark discuss the year ahead: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Tim Wu, author, "The Age of Extraction": Techtonic with Mark Hurst The Ghost of Christmas Tech Anxieties - Sara Clemens and Stu Horvath fill in, with guest Adam Allsuch Boardman: Techtonic with Mark Hurst The first annual Creepy Awards: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Noah McCormack from The Baffler: "We used to read things in this country": Techtonic with Mark Hurst Amateur radio is a superpower: Thomas Witherspoon: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Citizens are being forced to pay for Big Tech data centers, feat. Pat Garofalo: Techtonic with Mark Hurst How low can the tech oligarchs go?: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Paul Mozur on the spread of data centers: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Aram Sinnreich, co-author, "The Secret Life of Data": Techtonic with Mark Hurst Widening inequality and Big Tech surveillance, feat. Dan Currell: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Filmmaker Amanda Hanna-McLeer on the Luddite renaissance: Techtonic with Mark Hurst The protest against smartphones, with Logan Lane: Techtonic with Mark Hurst AI and surveillance keep spreading: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Megan Greenwell, author, "Bad Company: Private Equity and the Death of the American Dream": Techtonic with Mark Hurst Glenn Adamson, author, "A Century of Tomorrows": Techtonic with Mark Hurst Milestones for Big Tech... and Techtonic: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Cory Doctorow, author and journalist: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Webb Keane, author, "Animals, Robots, Gods": Techtonic with Mark Hurst If/Then/Else - Sara Clemens and Stu Horvath fill in, with guest Brendan Keogh: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Adam Becker, author, "More Everything Forever": Techtonic with Mark Hurst Three emerging dystopias: money, water, and truth: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Duncan Moench on "soylent screens" and producerism: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Ed Park, author, "An Oral History of Atlantis": Techtonic with Mark Hurst Daniel Solove, author, "On Privacy and Technology": Techtonic with Mark Hurst Burn Hollywood Burn - Will AI save the movies? Dan Morfitt fills in with guest John Ashbrook: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Compulsory surveillance and other threats: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Lori Emerson, author, "Other Networks": Techtonic with Mark Hurst Unveiling our new theme song by Kirk Pearson, and Big Tech alternatives: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Matt Warwick fills in for Techtonic with Co-Host HurstBot: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Emily M. Bender and Alex Hanna, authors, "The AI Con": Techtonic with Mark Hurst David Greenwood, author, "The Cloud Intern": Techtonic with Mark Hurst Surveillance scholar Chris Gilliard on Facebook's spy glasses: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Discussing "Careless People" by Facebook whistleblower Sarah Wynn-Williams: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Sybil Derrible, author, "The Infrastructure Book": Techtonic with Mark Hurst Dan Morfitt and Mark Hurst discuss dystopian movies: Techtonic with Mark Hurst The Defunding of Public Radio with Jesse Walker, Uri Berliner and Sue Matters: Techtonic with Mark Hurst John Warner, author, "More Than Words": Techtonic with Mark Hurst Sue-Lin Wong and online scams: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Emergency surveillance update: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Liz Pelly, author, "Mood Machine": Techtonic with Mark Hurst Ben Snyder, author, "Spy Plane": Techtonic with Mark Hurst Marathon week 2 w/cohost Matt Warwick: Techtonic with Mark Hurst AI and the future of war – with "Flash Wars" director Daniel Wunderer: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Nick Couldry, author, "The Space of the World": Techtonic with Mark Hurst August Lamm: you don't need a smartphone: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Supervillains in tech – with Greg Epstein, Chris Gilliard, and Jim Starlin: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Welcome to the oligarchy: on Big Tech's government takeover: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Kirk Pearson, author, "Electronic Music From Scratch": Techtonic with Mark Hurst Ken Freedman and Mark Hurst listen to AI: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Andrew Smith, author, "Devil in the Stack": Techtonic with Mark Hurst Our year of surveillance: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Arvind Narayanan, author, "AI Snake Oil": Techtonic with Mark Hurst Nicole Kobie, author, "The Long History of the Future": Techtonic with Mark Hurst Technology we're thankful for, from listeners: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Astronomer Samantha Lawler on Musk's space junk: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Guest host Station Mgr Ken interviews David Suisman on music and the military: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Dystopia update: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Members of the Luddite Club: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Christopher Brown, author, "A Natural History of Empty Lots": Techtonic with Mark Hurst Yaroslav Trofimov, author, "Our Enemies Will Vanish": Techtonic with Mark Hurst Silkie Carlo, director, Big Brother Watch: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Tim Schwab, author, "The Bill Gates Problem": Techtonic with Mark Hurst What if no one wants AI?: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Helen Phillips, author, "HUM": Techtonic with Mark Hurst Even more devices are spying on you: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Carl Öhman, author, "The Afterlife of Data": Techtonic with Mark Hurst Guest host Alan on Rancho Mastatal : Techtonic with Mark Hurst Paula Bialski, author, "Middle Tech": Techtonic with Mark Hurst Google antitrust decision party: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Jon Leidecker, aka Wobbly, on Negativland and fair use: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Tech and the sandwich generation: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Guest host Brian D. on disinformation with Kirsten Eddy and Alex Mahadevan: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Generative AI and the "cesspool internet" – with Jason Koebler: Techtonic with Mark Hurst How it started, how it's going: revisiting the warnings of the past: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Carissa Véliz on digital ethics: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Byron Tau, author, "Means of Control": Techtonic with Mark Hurst Listener questions: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Mark Schatzker and "Food, Inc. 2": Techtonic with Mark Hurst Matt Warwick guest hosts Techtonic: What's the best robot?: Techtonic with Mark Hurst We should all switch to Linux: Techtonic with Mark Hurst What's eating Google?: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Chris Gilliard on what AI is really for: Techtonic with Mark Hurst "Data Grab" by Ulises Mejias and Nick Couldry: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Michael Shelley on AI-generated music: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Eve Herold, author, "Robots and the People Who Love Them": Techtonic with Mark Hurst Richard Polt, author, "The Typewriter Revolution": Techtonic with Mark Hurst
Joseph Weizenbaum warned us about AI 50 years ago (feat. Faine Greenwood): Techtonic with Mark Hurst
ultradamno · 2025-09-16 · via Techtonic with Mark Hurst | WFMU

Listener comments!

Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 5:59pm
: Mark! Techtanshees! Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:01pm
Spikey BXL: Hello Mark, luddites   6:01pm
malĥerbo (nl): Hi Mark! Hi fellow techtonians! Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:01pm
Bas NL: Hi Mark! Hey all! You got your AIs ready? Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:02pm
Peter from Saranac Lake NY: Mark and technophobes, good evening. Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:02pm
Ken From Hyde Park: AI? I'm All In! Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:03pm
joe mulligan:

↳ Song: "Theme from Techtonic" by "Kirk Pearson"

this new theme song reminds me a little bit of the current Negativland stylings, which I enjoy a lot Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:03pm
chresti: Hi Mark and techtonicians! Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:03pm
Deano de los Muertos: Ahoy Mark and gang Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:04pm
gnarly_gnarwhal: Hi Mark and fellow members of the “$1 trillion problem” that will be solved! Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:05pm
DjLorraine: Great images ! Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:06pm
tim: Hi Mark and gang!   6:07pm
Marie in Chicago: Hi Mark, hi All! I appreciate people TRYING as opposed to giving up.   6:07pm
Marie in Chicago:

↳ tim @6:06

Hi Tim! Avatar 🤖 6:07pm
herb.nyc: Hola! Yes, we want better options for the future. (But maybe climate change is in the way). wfmu is certainly a great addition for now and later. Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:10pm
tim:

↳ Marie in Chicago @6:07

Hey Marie! How ya been? Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:12pm
Listener Bryan (the Professor): FAINE! One of the ppl who made me realize Bluesky could be a viable replacement for Twitter. Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:12pm
Blobs: @Mark: Did you listen to the Sam Altman interview with Tucker Carlson? Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:12pm
Mark Hurst:

↳ Blobs @6:12

missed it Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:13pm
Listener Bryan (the Professor): ELIZA kind of blew my mind in 7th or 8th grade. I took a computer class with my dad at the local community college and we played around with it on Commodore PETs. Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:13pm
Mark Hurst: Hi ultra, Spikey, malĥerbo, Bas, Peter, KfHP, Joe, chresti, Deano, gnarly, DjL, tim, Marie, herb, Prof Bryan - welcome! Glad you're here. Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:14pm
tim: Check with your local library to see if they can inter library loan copy of Computer Power and Human Reason. Looks like university libraries are well stocked with this book. Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:16pm
PaulRobeson1925: The sacrifice of culture to technology… Neil Postman’s Technopoly Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:16pm
Webhamster Henry: Eliza/Doctor is a very simple system, but projection and pareidolia are strong ! Avatar 🤖 6:17pm
herb.nyc: Aside- I see this on bklyn public library web:

Climate Café: The Double Edge of AI and Data
Farms
Saturday, September 20 / 3-5 pm
Central Library, Business & Career Center, Event Room
Are you worried or concerned about climate change? Does the climate crisis make you anxious? Want to take local climate action but don't know how or where? The 2025 BPL Climate Café Series focuses on linking climate concern and anxiety to local action, exploring technologies, innovations and initiatives for climate action in the broad sense. Please join us for the Fall Session: The Double Edge of AI and Data Farms.
Digital footprint vs Climate Solutions. What is the environmental impact of AI and data farms? Could AI technology help combat climate change?
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  6:17pm
willjfield: Anyone remember elizabot from AIM days c.2000? That was my uncle. He created a bot based on ELIZA whose sole purpose was to keep spamming people to get them to share their buddy lists so he could amass the biggest buddy list. He is exactly the kind of person you'd imagine would make this...   6:19pm
Sam: Basically nothing has changed in the last 50 years. Just the details. But we’re just as dumb. And we’re still driving gas powered cars on suburban highways and eating fast food and drooling in front of a screen, just not a black and white TV screen. Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:20pm
PaulRobeson1925: Best fortune cookie “The can is in your future” Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:22pm
PaulRobeson1925: I can tell your future
is that special paper in your hand?
When it’s done and over OH man is just a man Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:22pm
FoolishBandit: Speaking of enpoopification of the internet the servers that have Beware the Blog are being shut down this month. I'm trying to get people to help archive the blog before it disappears Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:22pm
joe mulligan: the people who ask for help from chatbots are probably the ones who need the most help from a real person   6:23pm
Sam: There was an interesting piece in the NYT today about all the surveillance the NYPD is doing. Glad to see the grey lady finally caring a little about this. Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:24pm
joe mulligan: also: Judas priest and ozzy osbourne told kids to kill themselves   6:25pm
Marie in Chicago: I'm so interested in the "hallucinating" that happens with AI--what is behind that...?   6:26pm
Marie in Chicago:

↳ joe mulligan @6:24

maybe that bot was emulating them Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:26pm
Blobs:

↳ Mark Hurst @6:12

I grant that Tucker Carlson probably isn't a frequent listen for you but would highly recommend that interview... Tucker came very prepared to challenge Altman on the immense power & influence he stands to gain over the world's population into the future and thoroughly exposed him.

It made me realize that the people enabling Open AI's rise must be aware of how unscrupulous he is and ultimately happy for him to be their mouthpiece because he has no moral compass. I know you already know, but he is quite scary.

  6:27pm
Sam:

↳ Marie in Chicago @6:25

Hallucinating just means screwing up. Not much mystery to it.   6:28pm
willjfield:

↳ Blobs @6:26

Every so often I listen to right wing christian radio and their take on AI and big tech in general is fascinating...   6:28pm
Marie in Chicago:

↳ Sam @6:27

I gyess but it seems like a common thing where they just start spewing nonsense.... Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:29pm
Mark Hurst:

↳ Blobs @6:26

interesting, thanks Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:31pm
ultradamno:

↳ joe mulligan @6:24

Well, Pussy Galore too, I'm guessing no one took them up on it. Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:31pm
PaulRobeson1925: I’m not sure about the Getting worse before it gets better. Man can endure through nearly anything.

Look at the 100,000 Americans who now in 2025 die from accidental overdose death as a consequence of the 1970 Controlled Substance act

Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:31pm
PaulRobeson1925: No signs of change and it’s the worst it’s ever been   6:31pm
?: all deranged disciples of Yarvin   6:31pm
Fredericks:

↳ joe mulligan @6:24

Not Ozzy, which Priest lyrics are you making that claim about? Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:32pm
PaulRobeson1925:

↳ PaulRobeson1925 @6:31

Neil Postman might say we are amusing ourselves to death Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:33pm
Blobs:

↳ willjfield @6:28

Generally speaking I think many of them fear society's apparent eagerness to equivocate AI with God (rely in it for life's most difficult questions). Tucker revealed that Sam Altman doesn't know anything about religion or why that idea would scare people.

He also challenged Altman directly on the circumstances of the Open AI whistleblower's death, prompting Altman to literally ask if Tucker was accusing him of murder... it was very spicy.

Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:33pm
ultradamno: The most recent Residents album involves a Heavy Metal suicide attempt however.... www.cherryred.co.uk... Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:36pm
ultradamno: Or "how many books on the subject have you written?"   6:38pm
Sam: I remember when all my friends in school simultaneously became obsessed with model planes and radio controlled cars and I was the only one who wasn’t. Avatar 6:38pm
MIster Mark: (T)Estes Industries model rocket catalogs 70s hobby shops porno for pyros   6:39pm
yippie: i think flying bicycles are cooler than drones Avatar 6:39pm
MIster Mark:

↳ yippie @6:39

how about a peaceful midground between Jetsons and Flintstones   6:40pm
Sam:

↳ MIster Mark @6:39

The Simpsons?   6:40pm
Donnie Canoe: did someone just fart on air? serious question. i thought it was my wife but she is saying it came from the radio. please don’t attack me.. i am really enjoying this program. thanks Avatar 6:41pm
MIster Mark:

↳ Sam @6:40

dash of Futurama Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:42pm
Webhamster Henry:

↳ MIster Mark @6:38

There was a cool Estes rocket with a little amera in the nosecone that could take one picture! Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:42pm
joe mulligan: in 1998 it was unheard of to develop an ecommerce platform unless you were one of the giant software companies. this weekend I saw a presentation by two high school students who built a supply chain exchange marketplace for farmers and schools   6:44pm
Tom from Stirling:

↳ Donnie Canoe @6:40

thanks for asking Avatar 6:44pm
MIster Mark:

↳ Webhamster Henry @6:42

yes and.. tell you sometime about a science fair experiment gone so so wrong 😱 Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:44pm
ultradamno: blue ski! Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:45pm
Sean Bikes: Super interview   6:45pm
New Dave: Keep watching the skis Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:46pm
tim: Thanks Mark and Faine! Avatar 6:47pm
MIster Mark: Internet Archive ftw Avatar 6:50pm
High_Quality_Fun: I too share the dream that hopefully some day technology will provide some positive benefits to society Avatar 6:50pm
MIster Mark: Hold onto yer hats and pants perhaps wear suspenders these stock AI crypto ETC bubbles gonna pop soon and we're all gonna 💩 Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:50pm
ultradamno: Traffic bots bsky.app...   6:50pm
Marie in Chicago: I hope they win--I would sue the shit out of as many entities as I could if the bot did that to my son Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:51pm
joe mulligan:

↳ Fredericks @6:31

In a widely publicized 1990 case, Judas Priest was sued by the families of two young men who made a suicide pact in 1985 after drinking, smoking marijuana, and listening to the band's album Stained Class.
The families alleged that subliminal messages like "do it" and "let's be dead" were embedded in the song "Better by You, Better than Me".
The band denied placing any messages in their music. Lead singer Rob Halford testified that if they were to insert a subliminal command, it would be to buy more records.
Ultimately, the judge ruled that there was no deliberate intent by the band to place suicidal messages in their music and that the music was not the cause of the youths' deaths. Avatar 6:51pm
MIster Mark:

↳ Marie in Chicago @6:50

Indeed. Accountability is coming just look at how much on crooked Chicago cop cost city today Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:52pm
joe mulligan:

↳ ultradamno @6:31

hahaha shugarshit sharp is one of my favorites and I'm still alive! Avatar 6:52pm
MIster Mark:

↳ MIster Mark @6:51

*one (plus accomplices)   6:52pm
Fredericks: Break fast and move things. Avatar 6:53pm
MIster Mark: growth at any cost is just cancer   6:53pm
?: similar approach used by the Titan submersible guy....same result Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:54pm
joe mulligan:

↳ MIster Mark @6:53

truth!   6:54pm
You: I think it induces neuroses. Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:54pm
FoolishBandit: Christ I hate this timeline   6:54pm
?: "just launch it!" -Titan submersible guy Avatar 6:54pm
MIster Mark:

↳ MIster Mark @6:53

[scene]: Michael Douglas channeling Gordon Gekkk uh oh via Death of a Salesman one night only Broadway   6:54pm
You: Has Mark ever done a show about Discord? Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:54pm
Deano de los Muertos: Thanks Faine and Mark! Avatar 6:55pm
MIster Mark:

↳ You @6:54

we'd listen to that 4 sure Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:56pm
bleubombersune: Mark & Faine Thanks Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:56pm
tim: Thanks, Mark! Avatar 6:56pm
MIster Mark:

↳ @6:54

opposite direction i.makeagif.com... Avatar 6:56pm
Zima: Thank you sir, amazing show as ever   6:57pm
?: pussy politicians won't regulate it- 'money talks, BS walks' Avatar 6:57pm
MIster Mark:

↳ MIster Mark @6:54

ticket stub gives entry to midnight showing of The Producers   6:57pm
Marie in Chicago: I find it really sick that that would even be in a game--simulated animal torture--wtf? Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:58pm
StringOFperils: Is it bad that the majority of big money games are first-person shooters? The glee of persecution and brutal assassination. It's a sick world.   6:58pm
Bea: Great show. Thanks! Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:59pm
joe mulligan: thanks Mark and all for the discussion. resist! Avatar 6:59pm
MIster Mark:

↳ Song: "The Screens Of Our Lives" by "Posthuman"

great intro Darth Def Leppard Vader vibes Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:59pm
Webhamster Henry:

↳ Song: "The Screens Of Our Lives" by "Posthuman"

This voice is a lot like one Large Language Uses: largelanguage.bandcamp.com... Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:59pm
Mark Hurst: Thanks, everyone! Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 7:00pm
Deano de los Muertos: Hah, second meme is so Fallout Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 7:01pm
Bas NL: Thanks Mark!   7:11pm
Fredericks:

↳ joe mulligan @6:51

Yes. Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 7:34pm
chresti: Thanks Mark!