6:10pm
yippie:
Bill gates fits right in for the citizens United era
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6:10pm
chris in the redwoods:
wow! i needed to hear this (and read this book). hi, Mark and everyone.
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6:10pm
tim:
Hi Mark, Tim and everyone! I'm very glad to be here fore his interview.
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6:11pm
Wendy del Formaggio:
Let's break down the concept that Gates (or any billionaire) actually "earned" that money. What does this even mean? Why does anyone have this much money? What harms does it cause to other people, the social structure, the political structure, etc, when someone has this much money?
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6:11pm
cosmic matrix:
hi mark! yes i’ve been curious about this fellow for a long time, thanks for ths.
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6:11pm
chris in the redwoods:
my wife has him coming through on a book tour. will arm myself with questions for him. hehehe
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6:12pm
tim:
In the late 90s my friend wrote Bill Gates a letter asking him for a million dollars. Bill nor his people never got back to my friend.
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6:12pm
Wendy del Formaggio:
Meanwhile, I am now seeing if my library has this book, and if it doesn't, I'm requesting it right now. (I also say this often on Techtonic's comments-page.)
I don't remember all the details, but Bill Gates had some ideas about education that he wanted to impose, and he's got bupkis for experience in education.
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6:16pm
gauche knee:
Mark & all! Stoked for today's show as not trusting Bill Gates seems to be a growing sentiment on the "left" & "right" if my convos with friends & fam in Texas/India/NY Tri-State is any indication
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6:17pm
Wendy del Formaggio:
Hubris does not equal intelligence or efficacy. But, under c(r)apitalism, hubris buys rich jerkoffs the ability to create policy for the rest of us. But I think Tim Schwab just said that, just more politely. haha
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6:19pm
Wendy del Formaggio:
YES! I'm glad Tim just said "colonialism," because I was just about to write that.
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6:19pm
coelacanth∅:
a bigger problem than the big pharmaceutical companies is the "pharmacy benefit managers"... express scripts; uhg (optum...owned by cigna, an insurance company), "caremark" (cvs)...
these are parasitic organisations at the very heart of prescriptions being unaffordable.
Oy, don't get me started. I stopped using Microsoft regularly back in 2010, when I switched to Mac OS. At my new library job, I have to use Microsoft again, and HOLY COW, has it deteriorated into a counter-intuitive, overly-complicated system that keeps trying to strong-arm me into using the cloud and AI. I fucking hate it.
Yay! You're welcome. Thank you for supporting your local library, and helping them improve their collection to better reflect their patrons' interests and needs. Keep 'em coming!
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6:25pm
tim:
Bono's philanthropy is a lot less annoying after listening to this interview.
Boooooo!
Solidarity, my friend.
This week I'm going to see if I can download Apache Open Office at work so at least my word-processing software is something I can use without cursing.
Yet that just doesn't help with the Bono Loathing Quotient. The BLQ is strong.
6:31pm
Listener Robert:
What did anyone have against, instead of waiving patent rights, having them licensed for a royalty? That way everybody wins. The patent holder collects royalties from the sales profits companies around the world make, and people can buy their needed drugs. Did Gates object to that arrangement? Do you?
6:31pm
Mitch:
Look - the S&P 500 is up by more than a factor of 5 since Gates left Microsoft. The foundation can make money just sitting there. I don't think if's far to use that as indicator of anything.
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6:34pm
Franco Twinkie:
MAN - Victorious over nature. Ron Cobb was a brilliant social critic masquerading as a cartoonist. He was featured in The Los Angeles Free Press when I was a teenager.
It's a pain in the ass and I curse at it all the time!
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6:38pm
cosmic matrix:
seeing bill gates on a farm would be a strange sight indeed
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6:38pm
herb.nyc:
Hey. Bill and farmland. Watch, he’s gonna buy our gardens and backyards
(Aside- I’ll be collecting food scraps at NYC’s union sq gmkt on wed, Oct 2, 2-5pm. Feel free to visit, w or w/o scraps. Say “google, get me a discount” and I will succumb to the power of google and comply. Which means $1 discount, or $2 on a multi purchase.
Come between 8am-2 and chat w Stefanie, a bassist and music teacher. She’s way cool)
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6:39pm
ultradamno:
Epstein had quite a collection of these kind of guys
6:41pm
dk50b:
So I learned of Gates' outsized agriculture influence from the phenomenal Vice series While the Rest of Us Die. It implied the foundation wants to impose the deeply failed philosophy of monocropping.
Again, how in THEEE FUCK do dickheads like Gates not know to be a fuckin predator? I know the answer but what a world class a-hole with such a fragile little ego that he needs to sexually exploit people to make himself feel validated. Fuckin shithead.
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6:45pm
Ken From Hyde Park:
They probably thought they were meeting with Juan Epstein. Common mistake.
allegations to be clear, and there's a problematic association. was not implying the alleged abuse was taking place as an exact mirror of saville, but a factor in the machinations of gates
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6:49pm
Handy Haversack:
And shame on us for still thinking money = talent/goodness/ability/celebrity. Divine right of kings seems to be doing just fine.
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6:51pm
coelacanth∅:
thank you ronald mcdonald reagan for dismantling all the regulations formerly set up to safeguard us from the desperate situation we're in now.
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6:51pm
Bas NL:
A couple of millions to WFMU will set you free.
6:52pm
Choggie:
Bill Gates creeps me TFO. His vaccine and land-grabbing is a one man obsession... it's like some dystopian solo cabal. Cretin. He needs to buy Seattle and fix that delusional bunch of monkeys.
6:58pm
Listener Robert:
In re Epstein, I don't see why when somebody does both good and bad things, the good things have to be repudiated -- unless the good things REQUIRED the bad things.
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6:58pm
Mike Sin:
The main problem is that so many folks view the oligarchy as positive because they are in some deluded dream that it's something to strive for.
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6:59pm
Peter from Saranac Lake NY:
Here we go. I've got a pile of unread books, and now one more that I gotta buy.
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7:00pm
bleubombersune:
Mark interesting interview with Tim Schwab. Always wondered if major scientific journals were influenced by outside pressure to not publish scientific research that would be contrary to their interest. Thanks Mark All stay safe and be well
Listener comments!
: Mark! Techtonosofties!
Handy Haversack: Mark! Sophisticated Techyon Boom Booms!
cosmic matrix: hiya hiya
chresti: Hi Mark and techtonians!
Will thee SG OCNY: Good evening Mark Hurst and all!!!
Wendy del Formaggio: Mark! Totally psyched for tonight's show. And yes, I say this every week. 'Cos it's true.
David (in London): Evening Mark and all assembled Technoids.
gabriel: hey mark and crew, all techtonic or all nothing!
Spikey BXL: Good evening Mark, all
coelacanth∅: Greetings Mark
ben & Reba: Hi Mark, thanks from Butler, PA.
gabriel: behind the bastards podcast also did a great deep dive on gates
Ken From Hyde Park: Bill Gates stole my lunch money!
Bas NL: Hi Mark & all!
Mark Hurst: Hi ultra, Handy, cosmic, chresti, WtSG, Wendy, DiL, gabriel, coel, ben&Reba, KfHP, and Bas! Glad you're with us tonight.
morphe': Attuned ...
Webhamster Henry: It's OK to not like Bill Gates.
yippie: Bill gates fits right in for the citizens United era
chris in the redwoods: wow! i needed to hear this (and read this book). hi, Mark and everyone.
tim: Hi Mark, Tim and everyone! I'm very glad to be here fore his interview.
Wendy del Formaggio: Let's break down the concept that Gates (or any billionaire) actually "earned" that money. What does this even mean? Why does anyone have this much money? What harms does it cause to other people, the social structure, the political structure, etc, when someone has this much money?
cosmic matrix: hi mark! yes i’ve been curious about this fellow for a long time, thanks for ths.
chris in the redwoods: my wife has him coming through on a book tour. will arm myself with questions for him. hehehe
chris in the redwoods:
↳ chris in the redwoods @6:11
*him=Gatestim: In the late 90s my friend wrote Bill Gates a letter asking him for a million dollars. Bill nor his people never got back to my friend.
Wendy del Formaggio: Meanwhile, I am now seeing if my library has this book, and if it doesn't, I'm requesting it right now. (I also say this often on Techtonic's comments-page.)
Wendy del Formaggio:
↳ Wendy del Formaggio @6:12
Ah ha! My library does have it. I have placed it on hold. Hooray!Peter from Saranac Lake NY:
↳ Wendy del Formaggio @6:11
Hello Mark and techies.Mark Hurst:
↳ Wendy del Formaggio @6:14
Cool! You're going to like this book.Peter from Saranac Lake NY:
↳ Wendy del Formaggio @6:11
Preach!Peter from Saranac Lake NY:
↳ Webhamster Henry @6:09
I don't remember all the details, but Bill Gates had some ideas about education that he wanted to impose, and he's got bupkis for experience in education.Handy Haversack:
↳ tim @6:12
See the violence inherent in the system!gauche knee: Mark & all! Stoked for today's show as not trusting Bill Gates seems to be a growing sentiment on the "left" & "right" if my convos with friends & fam in Texas/India/NY Tri-State is any indication
Wendy del Formaggio: Hubris does not equal intelligence or efficacy. But, under c(r)apitalism, hubris buys rich jerkoffs the ability to create policy for the rest of us. But I think Tim Schwab just said that, just more politely. haha
Will thee SG OCNY: Never trust Gates
tim:
↳ Handy Haversack @6:16
When is enough enough?!?!spodiodi: hi, Mark and all
Wendy del Formaggio: YES! I'm glad Tim just said "colonialism," because I was just about to write that.
coelacanth∅: a bigger problem than the big pharmaceutical companies is the "pharmacy benefit managers"... express scripts; uhg (optum...owned by cigna, an insurance company), "caremark" (cvs)...
these are parasitic organisations at the very heart of prescriptions being unaffordable.
tim:
↳ Wendy del Formaggio @6:12
I shall follow your lead.Wendy del Formaggio: It's also known as "noblesse oblige."
chris in the redwoods: making not very good software based on/stolen from others, one might add.
Wendy del Formaggio:
↳ tim @6:19
Yay! I will always advocate for libraries. They are an enduring public good. One of the last of them.cosmic matrix: at least he co-authored the code for the TRS-80 model 100. you have to give him that, at least.
tom tom the pipers son: i see a small village in a third world country getting all "wicker man" on gates' ass
spodiodi: excuse me
Wendy del Formaggio:
↳ chris in the redwoods @6:19
Oy, don't get me started. I stopped using Microsoft regularly back in 2010, when I switched to Mac OS. At my new library job, I have to use Microsoft again, and HOLY COW, has it deteriorated into a counter-intuitive, overly-complicated system that keeps trying to strong-arm me into using the cloud and AI. I fucking hate it.gauche knee:
↳ Wendy del Formaggio @6:12
following you & Tim on this ! I always forget to request to my LOCAL library which tends not to carry tittles like these. Thnx!chris in the redwoods:
↳ Wendy del Formaggio @6:23
i'm stuck with em for work, too. gah! booooooo.Wendy del Formaggio:
↳ gauche knee @6:23
Yay! You're welcome. Thank you for supporting your local library, and helping them improve their collection to better reflect their patrons' interests and needs. Keep 'em coming!tim: Bono's philanthropy is a lot less annoying after listening to this interview.
Wendy del Formaggio:
↳ chris in the redwoods @6:24
Boooooo!Solidarity, my friend.
This week I'm going to see if I can download Apache Open Office at work so at least my word-processing software is something I can use without cursing.
Handy Haversack:
↳ tim @6:25
Yet that just doesn't help with the Bono Loathing Quotient. The BLQ is strong.Listener Robert: What did anyone have against, instead of waiving patent rights, having them licensed for a royalty? That way everybody wins. The patent holder collects royalties from the sales profits companies around the world make, and people can buy their needed drugs. Did Gates object to that arrangement? Do you?
Mitch: Look - the S&P 500 is up by more than a factor of 5 since Gates left Microsoft. The foundation can make money just sitting there. I don't think if's far to use that as indicator of anything.
C: Melinda…
cosmic matrix:
↳ C @6:32
is listener Melinda THE Melinda Gates???tim: I suggest the Gates Foundation fund a vaccine the keeps ego, self-importance, and narcissism in check.
Deano de los Muertos: Just tuning in, thanks for that welcome, Mark!
Franco Twinkie: MAN - Victorious over nature. Ron Cobb was a brilliant social critic masquerading as a cartoonist. He was featured in The Los Angeles Free Press when I was a teenager.
A dragon slayer who's all but forgotten.
chris in the redwoods:
↳ tim @6:34
already exists. its called psychedelics.Mark Hurst:
↳ Deano de los Muertos @6:34
Welcome welcome, Deanotim:
↳ chris in the redwoods @6:35
No wonder Gates isn't throwing money at it then!Handy Haversack:
↳ chris in the redwoods @6:35
Spoken like someone who's never had someone try to talk them into paying an ayahuasca "guide"!chris in the redwoods:
↳ Handy Haversack @6:36
true. i'm not into cultural appropriation.chresti:
↳ Wendy del Formaggio @6:23
It's a pain in the ass and I curse at it all the time!cosmic matrix: seeing bill gates on a farm would be a strange sight indeed
herb.nyc: Hey. Bill and farmland. Watch, he’s gonna buy our gardens and backyards
(Aside- I’ll be collecting food scraps at NYC’s union sq gmkt on wed, Oct 2, 2-5pm. Feel free to visit, w or w/o scraps. Say “google, get me a discount” and I will succumb to the power of google and comply. Which means $1 discount, or $2 on a multi purchase.
Come between 8am-2 and chat w Stefanie, a bassist and music teacher. She’s way cool)
ultradamno: Epstein had quite a collection of these kind of guys
tom tom the pipers son: this is turning into a jimmy saville story times 10
tom tom the pipers son: "bill will fix it"
dk50b: So I learned of Gates' outsized agriculture influence from the phenomenal Vice series While the Rest of Us Die. It implied the foundation wants to impose the deeply failed philosophy of monocropping.
tim:
↳ tom tom the pipers son @6:41
Again, how in THEEE FUCK do dickheads like Gates not know to be a fuckin predator? I know the answer but what a world class a-hole with such a fragile little ego that he needs to sexually exploit people to make himself feel validated. Fuckin shithead.Ken From Hyde Park: They probably thought they were meeting with Juan Epstein. Common mistake.
coelacanth∅:
↳ Ken From Hyde Park @6:45
it happens to me all the timetim:
↳ Ken From Hyde Park @6:45
True! Who would not want to be one degree of separation away from Arnold Horschach.Handy Haversack:
↳ chris in the redwoods @6:37
WORDHandy Haversack:
↳ tim @6:46
WORDtom tom the pipers son:
↳ tim @6:44
allegations to be clear, and there's a problematic association. was not implying the alleged abuse was taking place as an exact mirror of saville, but a factor in the machinations of gatesHandy Haversack: And shame on us for still thinking money = talent/goodness/ability/celebrity. Divine right of kings seems to be doing just fine.
coelacanth∅: thank you ronald mcdonald reagan for dismantling all the regulations formerly set up to safeguard us from the desperate situation we're in now.
Bas NL: A couple of millions to WFMU will set you free.
tom tom the pipers son:
↳ coelacanth∅ @6:51
hey coelacanth ...sent you a messageChoggie: Bill Gates creeps me TFO. His vaccine and land-grabbing is a one man obsession... it's like some dystopian solo cabal. Cretin. He needs to buy Seattle and fix that delusional bunch of monkeys.
cosmic matrix: LOL
ultradamno: New....nothing else I have...dinner regret
Choggie: Plus Epstein: he hooked up with a high end pimp to get his geek ass some jailbait...PERIOD!
Glistener MW: “Well, he’s dead.” XD
tom tom the pipers son:
↳ Glistener MW @6:54
yesHandy Haversack: Thanks, Mark, Tim!
The Butterman: Uhhhhh uhhhh hummuna hummuna
I regret having the DINNER. Did I mention it was a DINNER! Not a sex party. A Dinner!
ultradamno: I thought he had a kink for coal miners, honest
Peter from Saranac Lake NY: No need to equivocate. The US has an oligarch problem.
Glistener MW: Tim Robbins seemed to be having fun playing a Gateslike figure with scenery-chewing gusto in the film “Antitrust”
Danny in Poughkeepsie: Thanks Mark for another episode of WTF
chresti: Thanks Mark!
tom tom the pipers son: there's something culturally systemic abouit the cration of a bill gates ... he' s not self made
Ken From Hyde Park: Thanks, Mark. Harvard dropouts, donate to WFMU!
cosmic matrix: well hey. thanks mark and tim.
Bas NL: Thanks Mark! Thanks Tim!
C: musicians and dang sports pro-s
Choggie: That weirdo was hatched!
chris in the redwoods: thanks, Mark and Tim! important stuff as always.
Listener Robert: In re Epstein, I don't see why when somebody does both good and bad things, the good things have to be repudiated -- unless the good things REQUIRED the bad things.
Mike Sin: The main problem is that so many folks view the oligarchy as positive because they are in some deluded dream that it's something to strive for.
Fredericks: internationaltimes.it...
Deano de los Muertos: Truly is the greatest radio station in the world, thank you Mark!
coelacanth∅: Thanks Mark
Peter from Saranac Lake NY: Here we go. I've got a pile of unread books, and now one more that I gotta buy.
bleubombersune: Mark interesting interview with Tim Schwab. Always wondered if major scientific journals were influenced by outside pressure to not publish scientific research that would be contrary to their interest. Thanks Mark All stay safe and be well
Will thee SG OCNY: Thank you Mark Hurst!
tom tom the pipers son: thanks mark