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Techtonic with Mark Hurst | WFMU

"Muskism" authors Quinn Slobodian and Ben Tarnoff: Techtonic with Mark Hurst When is it OK to use AI?: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Julie Scelfo, founder of Mothers Against Media Addiction (MAMA): Techtonic with Mark Hurst Andrew Guthrie Ferguson, author, "Your Data Will Be Used Against You": Techtonic with Mark Hurst Starlink and Kessler Syndrome, feat. astronomer Samantha Lawler: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Cindy Cohn, author, "Privacy's Defender": Techtonic with Mark Hurst Evan Selinger and Albert Fox Cahn, authors, "Move Slow and Upgrade" from Apr 6, 2026 Dystopia update: good news edition from Mar 30, 2026 Janet Vertesi, founder of the Opt Out Project from Mar 23, 2026 A visit to Repair Cafe El Barrio from Mar 16, 2026 Marathon week 2 w/cohost Jesse Jarnow from Mar 9, 2026 Marathon week 1 w/cohost station manager Ken Freedman from Mar 2, 2026 Celebrating 400 episodes of Techtonic from Feb 23, 2026 Chris Gilliard on Amazon’s admission that Ring spies on us from Feb 16, 2026 Peter Dear ("The World As We Know It") and how we interpret AI from Feb 9, 2026 AI is spreading where it doesn't belong from Feb 2, 2026 Peter Schmidt on the book "Attensity" by the Friends of Attention from Jan 26, 2026 Paul Bradley Carr, author, "The Confessions" from Jan 19, 2026 Lora Kolodny from CNBC on Grok's sexualized images from Jan 12, 2026 Ken Freedman and Mark discuss the year ahead from Jan 5, 2026 Tim Wu, author, "The Age of Extraction" from Dec 29, 2025 The Ghost of Christmas Tech Anxieties - Sara Clemens and Stu Horvath fill in, with guest Adam Allsuch Boardman from Dec 22, 2025 The first annual Creepy Awards from Dec 15, 2025 Noah McCormack from The Baffler: "We used to read things in this country" from Dec 8, 2025 Amateur radio is a superpower: Thomas Witherspoon from Dec 1, 2025 Citizens are being forced to pay for Big Tech data centers, feat. Pat Garofalo from Nov 24, 2025 How low can the tech oligarchs go? from Nov 17, 2025 Paul Mozur on the spread of data centers from Nov 10, 2025 Aram Sinnreich, co-author, "The Secret Life of Data" from Nov 3, 2025 Widening inequality and Big Tech surveillance, feat. Dan Currell from Oct 27, 2025 Filmmaker Amanda Hanna-McLeer on the Luddite renaissance from Oct 20, 2025 The protest against smartphones, with Logan Lane from Oct 13, 2025 AI and surveillance keep spreading: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Megan Greenwell, author, "Bad Company: Private Equity and the Death of the American Dream": Techtonic with Mark Hurst Glenn Adamson, author, "A Century of Tomorrows" from Sep 22, 2025 Joseph Weizenbaum warned us about AI 50 years ago (feat. Faine Greenwood): Techtonic with Mark Hurst Milestones for Big Tech... and Techtonic: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Cory Doctorow, author and journalist: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Webb Keane, author, "Animals, Robots, Gods": Techtonic with Mark Hurst If/Then/Else - Sara Clemens and Stu Horvath fill in, with guest Brendan Keogh: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Adam Becker, author, "More Everything Forever": Techtonic with Mark Hurst Three emerging dystopias: money, water, and truth: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Duncan Moench on "soylent screens" and producerism: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Ed Park, author, "An Oral History of Atlantis": Techtonic with Mark Hurst Daniel Solove, author, "On Privacy and Technology": Techtonic with Mark Hurst Burn Hollywood Burn - Will AI save the movies? Dan Morfitt fills in with guest John Ashbrook: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Compulsory surveillance and other threats: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Lori Emerson, author, "Other Networks": Techtonic with Mark Hurst Unveiling our new theme song by Kirk Pearson, and Big Tech alternatives: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Matt Warwick fills in for Techtonic with Co-Host HurstBot: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Emily M. Bender and Alex Hanna, authors, "The AI Con": Techtonic with Mark Hurst David Greenwood, author, "The Cloud Intern": Techtonic with Mark Hurst Surveillance scholar Chris Gilliard on Facebook's spy glasses: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Discussing "Careless People" by Facebook whistleblower Sarah Wynn-Williams: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Sybil Derrible, author, "The Infrastructure Book": Techtonic with Mark Hurst Dan Morfitt and Mark Hurst discuss dystopian movies: Techtonic with Mark Hurst The Defunding of Public Radio with Jesse Walker, Uri Berliner and Sue Matters: Techtonic with Mark Hurst John Warner, author, "More Than Words": Techtonic with Mark Hurst Sue-Lin Wong and online scams: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Emergency surveillance update: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Liz Pelly, author, "Mood Machine": Techtonic with Mark Hurst Ben Snyder, author, "Spy Plane": Techtonic with Mark Hurst Marathon week 2 w/cohost Matt Warwick: Techtonic with Mark Hurst AI and the future of war – with "Flash Wars" director Daniel Wunderer: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Nick Couldry, author, "The Space of the World": Techtonic with Mark Hurst August Lamm: you don't need a smartphone: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Supervillains in tech – with Greg Epstein, Chris Gilliard, and Jim Starlin: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Welcome to the oligarchy: on Big Tech's government takeover: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Kirk Pearson, author, "Electronic Music From Scratch": Techtonic with Mark Hurst Stone carvers Chris Pellettieri and Arissa Ramoutar: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Ken Freedman and Mark Hurst listen to AI: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Andrew Smith, author, "Devil in the Stack": Techtonic with Mark Hurst Guest host Don Fleming: Musical Tech: Naughty or Nice?: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Our year of surveillance: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Arvind Narayanan, author, "AI Snake Oil": Techtonic with Mark Hurst Nicole Kobie, author, "The Long History of the Future": Techtonic with Mark Hurst Technology we're thankful for, from listeners: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Astronomer Samantha Lawler on Musk's space junk: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Guest host Station Mgr Ken interviews David Suisman on music and the military: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Dystopia update: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Members of the Luddite Club: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Christopher Brown, author, "A Natural History of Empty Lots": Techtonic with Mark Hurst Yaroslav Trofimov, author, "Our Enemies Will Vanish": Techtonic with Mark Hurst Silkie Carlo, director, Big Brother Watch: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Tim Schwab, author, "The Bill Gates Problem": Techtonic with Mark Hurst What if no one wants AI?: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Helen Phillips, author, "HUM": Techtonic with Mark Hurst Even more devices are spying on you: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Carl Öhman, author, "The Afterlife of Data": Techtonic with Mark Hurst Guest host Alan on Rancho Mastatal : Techtonic with Mark Hurst Paula Bialski, author, "Middle Tech": Techtonic with Mark Hurst Google antitrust decision party: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Jon Leidecker, aka Wobbly, on Negativland and fair use: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Tech and the sandwich generation: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Guest host Brian D. on disinformation with Kirsten Eddy and Alex Mahadevan: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Generative AI and the "cesspool internet" – with Jason Koebler: Techtonic with Mark Hurst How it started, how it's going: revisiting the warnings of the past: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Carissa Véliz on digital ethics: Techtonic with Mark Hurst Byron Tau, author, "Means of Control": Techtonic with Mark Hurst Listener questions: Techtonic with Mark Hurst
Marathon week 1 w/cohost station manager Ken Freedman: Techtonic with Mark Hurst
2025-03-04 · via Techtonic with Mark Hurst | WFMU

Listener comments!

Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:02pm
: Hi Mark and Staysh!

Pledge to Techtonic . It's one of the best shows anywhere!

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Bas NL: Mark. The Marathon Man. Hello! And hello Ken! Hi all!
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joe mulligan: Hi all, hopefully I just got a brand new tin foil hat icon. fight the oligarchs and resist!
  6:03pm
Toby: What can anyone tell me about that William Tyler song that was playing under the mayhem that was the end of Scott’s show?
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:03pm
Ken From Hyde Park: I'm just here for the clicks.
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DjLorraine: Hi
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Webhamster Henry: Hi Friends! Off Google Yet?
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Handy Haversack: Mark! Ken! Techyons!

Up to my eyes in veggies over here, but I'll get the pledge in once the sofrito's on the hob.

Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:04pm
mackeral: hey folks!
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:04pm
Webhamster Henry: Are you bringing an Uber Eats robot into the studio for an interview?
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:05pm
hectic:

↳ Webhamster Henry @6:04

i switched to duckduckgo. and i forbid myself from any kind of social media except this website and checking my email. plus i still dont have a smartphone!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:05pm
hectic: techtic signing on
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:06pm
Ken From Hyde Park:

↳ Song: "1-800-989-9368 - Please Pledge!"

I give them credit for at least holding their phones in the correct landscape position.
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Webhamster Henry:

↳ hectic @6:05

💯🌟
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:06pm
Erin in TO: I have yet to see a delivery robot in Toronto. I assume they're coming though
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:07pm
hectic:

↳ Webhamster Henry @6:06

just doin my job
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:07pm
mackeral: I'm on UC Berkeley campus. Yes, you can tip them over. I threw one into the bushes.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:07pm
Webhamster Henry: Those bots need WFMU bumper stickers.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:07pm
Tome: great to be here let's shake um down !,, sound only on an old school FM radio now weee !<>!
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:07pm
Erin in TO: Is it bad that I love Ken even more for messing with the robots?
  6:07pm
Marie in Chicago: I hope Staysh doesn't get arrested
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joe mulligan:

↳ Webhamster Henry @6:07

haha right around the soup can eye
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:07pm
hectic: that titanic image is painful but extremely witty
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:08pm
Mennlinn Rebarts: A good Techtonic premium would be a super soaker filled with Gatorade.
  6:08pm
Sam: So that’s why my food was cold.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:09pm
joe mulligan: in SF, the Waymo self-driving cars can be halted just by putting a traffic cone on the hood in front of the windshield
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:09pm
tim: Way to go, Ken!

I have not encountered a robot out it the wild buy I will have my dukes ready!

  6:09pm
Bob Tankenstein: They had those delivery robots on the university of Tennessee campus on 2018. They had alarms that would go off if you fooled with them.
  6:10pm
Marie in Chicago: how about dog feces in a bag?
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:10pm
Erin in TO: Cover those cameras in WFMU stickers!
Avatar 6:10pm
MarciB: I'd be too worried to mess with a food delivery bot as they probably surveil the hell out of everything in its path. You mess with it and you're surveilled even more. Clearview AI has sent your image to the local cops...
  6:10pm
kevlicki: I saw a fella “walking” one of those stupid dog robots, outside the Museum of natural history, on Columbus Ave just yesterday!
  6:10pm
Sam: Can you pick it up and put in a sandbox it can’t get out of?
  6:11pm
Alanthepainter: OR! Crisco, or patriotism jelly on robots!
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:11pm
Bas NL: █ I'm a robot.
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Erin in TO:

↳ MarciB @6:10

Time for anti-surveillance masks!
  6:12pm
kevlicki: I didn’t get out of the van and kick it
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:12pm
disco_nap_: Omg I saw those food delivery robots when I was in LA last December! So creepy!!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:13pm
Ciggy: Mark - I wore your Techtonic, Guy walking off a cliff T-shirt during my 3 night stand at Sloan Kettering this past week.
2 nurses asked me about the shirt.
I told them to listen in.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:14pm
disco_nap_: But also maybe the robots are better than making humans ride on scooters in bad weather, traffic, etc. for low wages?
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:14pm
joe mulligan:

↳ Erin in TO @6:11

that would be a great premium, there are a lot of them as printed neck gaiters
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:14pm
Handy Haversack:

↳ hectic @6:05

Good for you! No cell phone here. And the WFMU boards are just about the only actually social medium there is. Happy here and no need for the surveillance capitalism kind.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:15pm
J in LA:

↳ disco_nap_ @6:12

these robots?
  6:15pm
Sam:

↳ mackeral @6:07

Nice!
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joe mulligan:

↳ Ciggy @6:13

hope you're doing ok Ciggy, MSKCC is the best you can get
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MarciB:

↳ Erin in TO @6:11

Seriously!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:16pm
Mark Hurst: 1-800-989-9368 - Please pledge!
  6:18pm
M: Since ths subject is best practices in the face of omnipotent tech, can 'FMU PLEASE initiate an "opt-out of cookies" standard for website?Thanks!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:18pm
PaulRobeson1925: Hi Hi Hi
  6:19pm
Sam: Naturally Apple takes 30% of all pledges. Only fair.
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Handy Haversack: chresti!
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Will thee SG OCNY: Good evening Mark Hurst, Station Manager Ken, and all!!!
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PaulRobeson1925: Mark is a tellin’ it like it is, baby
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Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:23pm
evancuts: I work for Amazon (I produce a television show and our production company was bought by MGM which was bought by Amazon) and I still LOVE this show. I guess I'm part of the problem but at least you give me other options on how to give it to the man.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:24pm
PaulRobeson1925:

↳ PaulRobeson1925 @6:20

What is that worth? Pledge with yer heart, baby
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Handy Haversack:

↳ Erin in TO @6:11

And Reflectacles!
Avatar 6:25pm
morphe': $75 gets the FMU t and a DJ premium = 2 Ts if ya want Ts..
  6:26pm
M: Love fmu completely and best practices start at home --
since ths subject is best practices in the face of omnipotent tech, can 'FMU PLEASE initiate an "opt-out of cookies" standard for website? Thanks!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:26pm
hectic:

↳ Handy Haversack @6:14

thanks handy! i like this chatboard a lot. i'm trying to learn more music and i like talking about it too. and i like the humor and the veiws of everyone on here.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:27pm
Feldy: Print is ALIVE
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Handy Haversack:

↳ Feldy @6:27

I got zines on my mantle to prove it!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:27pm
Ciggy:

↳ joe mulligan @6:15

Thanks Joe,
MSK has been unbelievable. ❤️
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:27pm
Handy Haversack:

↳ Ciggy @6:27

Sending pixie your way, Ciggy.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:28pm
Webhamster Henry: I should have some stuff in the LCD, we'll see! I also have a lot of those 25+ year old LCDs too! And the "Best of LCD" book.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:29pm
evancuts: My first Daily Show story (with Stephen Colbert) was ripped from the pages of LCD -- about Earl Braxton --the Porta-John founder who found a way to mine valuable minerals from his urinals.
  6:30pm
?:

↳ evancuts @6:29

kidney stones?
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:31pm
evancuts:

↳ @6:30

Urokinase --an enzyme that plays a role in the breakdown of blood clots (fibrinolysis). Incredibly expensive.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:32pm
evancuts:

↳ @6:30

He was making more from the minerals he was collecting than from the rental fees of his urinals.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:32pm
Ciggy:

↳ Handy Haversack @6:27

Thanks Handy
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:33pm
🤖: I'm 40% Urokinase!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:33pm
evancuts:

↳ 🤖 @6:33

If that's true, urine trouble!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:35pm
PaulRobeson1925:

↳ evancuts @6:33

Can’t escape the can. Try as we might we are forever tied to that special room
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:38pm
tim: Handy! Handy!
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:39pm
Handy Haversack: Looking forward to it, too, Mark!
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:39pm
Will thee SG OCNY: when do they release the swamp bots 🤔
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:40pm
tim: If I still smoked, I'd definitely flicks my butts at a robot.
  6:41pm
Sam: Do they have permits for those things?
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:41pm
Will thee SG OCNY: much sooner than ever expected
  6:42pm
Sam: There are also a lot of delivery bikers on the sidewalk. I refuse to get out of the way for them.
  6:42pm
whereswardo: Idiocracy was absolutely a documentary. I use the term often.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:43pm
Will thee SG OCNY: they should have to pay taxes to fix the infrastructure. instead, they get off paying no taxes
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:43pm
tim: Don't forget about the TV show Small Wonder!
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:44pm
Webhamster Henry: "her" is also god - the bot gets bored with people and runs off with other bots.
Avatar 6:44pm
morphe': Book =

The Dreams .... Stuff are Made of..

The Dreams Our Stuff is Made Of: How Science Fiction Conquered the World

Thomas M. Disch

www.goodreads.com...

Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:44pm
Will thee SG OCNY:

↳ Sam @6:42

bikes are vehicles, I would think robots would fall into a vehicle category, as should e-bikes... sidewalks are for the people.
  6:45pm
Sam:

↳ Will thee SG OCNY @6:44

Exactly. No vehicles on the sidewalk.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:46pm
tim: Mark's dirty comic would be a robot with its hardware exposed.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:47pm
hectic: my mission in life is to spread the message of fighting the robots. my generation solely needs warning of this.
  6:48pm
Caws from Arizona: My university had little delivery robots and the fun thing to do was tip them over and/or put stickers over the cameras, we were warned that "they have cameras, and we'll catch you". But they never caught us
  6:50pm
Caws from Arizona: Wait, what's the statute of limitations on robot abuse?
  6:50pm
chresti: I should put some gas in my car in case it goes up tomorrow
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:50pm
tim: Hahaha! WFMU used to be an oases of lunacy; now it's an oases of sanity!
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:52pm
Will thee SG OCNY:

↳ tim @6:50

🔥💯📻
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:52pm
ViolaChica: Employer matching! Stick it to the man for Techtonic! wfmu.org...
  6:53pm
Ballpark Frank: Ditch a cable subscription and donate to WFMU!
  6:53pm
chresti: Bas!
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:54pm
Bas NL: Hi chresti!
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:54pm
tim: Let's get Mark to his goal!
  6:54pm
wenzo: Dang I missed the Luddite club… gonna have to check that out after I download the new archive bunker ap
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:55pm
lemoncurd: Five more minutes to get Mark to his goal, let's gooooooo!
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:56pm
Dano59: NYs right-wing congresstroll Claudia Tenney introduced one of at least three defund-NPR-as-propaganda bills
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:57pm
PaulRobeson1925: Well, you know the first days are the hardest days don’t you worry any more. Because when life looks like delivery robots on the street there is WFMU at your door!

Mark tells it like it is, babyy

  6:58pm
Marie in Chicago: thanks, Mark, thanks, Ken!!!
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Ken From Hyde Park: Thanks, Mark & SMK!
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Dano59:

↳ wenzo @6:54

Luddite Club? tell me more
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Bas NL: Thanks Mark! Thanks Ken!
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Handy Haversack: Thanks, Mark, Ken, Ben, Liz, phone peeps, and esp. pledge peeps! FIGHT ON!
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bleubombersune: Mark and Ken Thanks All stray safe and be well
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Feldy: Get off Google, get ON WFMU
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tim: Thanks Mark and Staysh!
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Will thee SG OCNY: thank you Mark, Ken, and pledgers!!!
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Dano59: hey man, is that FREEWARE ROCK??
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hectic: techtic signing off
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hectic:

↳ Dano59 @7:01

it's always nice to see the bass smash in your picture, dano59