Listener comments!

🤖 ♥ 5:59pm
: Hi Mark and techtonicians! 🤖 ♥ 6:00pm
Will thee SG OCNY: Good evening Mark Hurst and all!!! 6:00pm
tak: alo ♥ 6:01pm
mistercaz: Good Evening 🤖 ♥ 6:01pm
ultradamno: Mark! Techtonicondas! 6:01pm
joe_rosevear: Hello, all! 🤖 ♥ 6:01pm
Will thee SG OCNY: the design is still bad! ♥ 6:01pm
tom tom the pipers son: looking forward to this...thanks mark 🤖 ♥ 6:02pm
Deano de los Muertos: Hey Mark, folx, and whatever big tech companies are spying on us! 🤖 ♥ 6:02pm
Wendy del Formaggio: Mark! I get to listen live tonight. Yay! 🤖 ♥ 6:02pm
newton: AI greetings 🤖 ♥ 6:02pm
tim: Hey Mark! Snake Oil? I'm all ears when I'm not cheering loudly! 🤖 ♥ 6:02pm
newton: I am here only until my meeting starts   6:02pm
Deb from California: Hi Techtonic Folks. :)
. 6:03pm
joe_rosevear:

↳ Deb from California @6:02

Hi, Deb! 🤖 ♥ 6:03pm
Spikey BXL: Hi Mark, luddites ♥ 6:04pm
Peter from Saranac Lake NY: Hello Mark and techies! 🤖 ♥ 6:04pm
Ken From Hyde Park: Greetings, Mark and seasonal mark-downs! 🤖 ♥ 6:04pm
Wendy del Formaggio: I'm psyched about this interview. I just added the book to my "order this for the library" list. I do non-fiction collection development at my library job. ♥ 6:05pm
tom tom the pipers son: i have, but just read intro to ....'eye of the master, a social history of a.i.' by matteo pasquinelli 🤖 ♥ 6:06pm
Spikey BXL: 🐍 oil 6:06pm
MarciB: Looking forward to this show!   6:06pm
Sam: I built a robot that’s sentient. At least that’s what he claims. 6:06pm
MarciB:

↳ Wendy del Formaggio @6:04

I'm going to do the same! 6:07pm
joe_rosevear:

↳ Sam @6:06

Yes, I claim I am sentient also. 🤖 ♥ 6:07pm
DjLorraine: Great topic. (Also, what's up with those large drones in the NE?)   6:08pm
Sam:

↳ joe_rosevear @6:07

Right? Who am I to judge? 🤖 ♥ 6:09pm
Bas NL: Hi Mark! Hey all!   6:09pm
su: wondering how long till a drone hits a satellite 6:09pm
joe_rosevear:

↳ Sam @6:08

My point, exactly! ♥ 6:09pm
Mark Hurst: Hi chresti, WtSG, tak, mistercaz, ultra, joe_r, tom tom, Deano, Wendy, newton, tim, Deb, Spikey, Peter, KfHP, MarciB, DjL, Sam, su, and Bas - glad you've joined us! ♥ 6:10pm
Mark Hurst:

↳ DjLorraine @6:07

Thanks, DjL... what drones do you mean?   6:11pm
Deb from California:

↳ Sam @6:08

Joe and Sam ... LOL ! #TRUE ♥ 6:13pm
dale:

↳ DjLorraine @6:07

probably looking for the ceo killer with night vision. 6:13pm
MarciB: "diffusion of responsibility" - that's one way of putting it! ♥ 6:13pm
tom tom the pipers son:

↳ tom tom the pipers son @6:05

in intro pasquinelli gives the example of how labor like truck driving is not thought of in terms of intellligence yet when a.i. does it it is "intelligent" the author alslo cites "?someone?" who said that all activity/labor by hand takes as well as represents intelligence ♥ 6:14pm
mistercaz:

↳ dale @6:13

they may have got him, according to thee internets..   6:14pm
Sam:

↳ dale @6:13

He’s in the housing projects in fuckin’ Boonton!   6:15pm
Sam:

↳ Sam @6:14

That was a Sopranos reference. ♥ 6:15pm
dale:

↳ mistercaz @6:14

yes - just curious if the drone sightings end now because of that. tonight will tell. ♥ 6:16pm
tom tom the pipers son:

↳ tom tom the pipers son @6:13

pointing out a.i.'s prejudicial marketing in relation to labor/admin relations ♥ 6:18pm
Folsom: Mark, have you used Kagi search? I saw doctorow said he uses it. ♥ 6:19pm
Mark Hurst:

↳ Folsom @6:18

aware of it but haven't paid up to subscribe 🤖 ♥ 6:19pm
DjLorraine: apnews.com... ♥ 6:20pm
Mark Hurst:

↳ DjLorraine @6:19

thanks 6:20pm
joe_rosevear: Hold on. Arvind said, "They don't have common sense." Begging your pardon, but this is AI. AI is *human-like* by design. I propose that it *may*, in fact have, common sense, at least to some small extent--an extent that is likely to grow. 🤖 ♥ 6:21pm
Webhamster Henry: I'm here for the snake oil! ♥ 6:21pm
Mark Hurst:

↳ joe_rosevear @6:20

The lack of common sense in AI has been the subject of research for years - decades, even. Well documented challenge in the field. 6:22pm
joe_rosevear:

↳ Mark Hurst @6:21

So, is the cup empty, half-empty, or half-full? ♥ 6:24pm
tom tom the pipers son: seems criminal justice system has "evolved" from mug shots to pre-crime 🤖 ♥ 6:24pm
Ken From Hyde Park: Applicable: "The Worst Person in Tech 2024" voting is open
Not Ideal: It's a Google document — forms.gle...   6:24pm
Deb from California:

↳ joe_rosevear @6:20

Ummm ... I know a lot of people that don't have common sense. So ... the objection is ... ??? 🤖 ♥ 6:25pm
Wendy del Formaggio:

↳ MarciB @6:06

yay!   6:26pm
Hugo (NL): I was just redding a piece about D. Graham Burnett whose views are very interesting. About attention, and the monetasation of attention   6:26pm
Danny in Poughkeepsie: The place I worked until April banned the use of AI in the coding of the systems we worked on 🤖 ♥ 6:27pm
Will thee SG OCNY:

↳ tom tom the pipers son @6:24

some guy looks like he's going to commit a crime, get them before they do... the near future reality of minority report   6:28pm
castor: Regarding “common sense”, this is at least one aspect of the problem, known as the “frame problem” https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frame_problem   6:28pm
Marie in Chicag0: Another great topic and expert--thanks, Mark! 6:28pm
joe_rosevear:

↳ Hugo (NL) @6:26

monetization ♥ 6:28pm
Mark Hurst:

↳ Marie in Chicag0 @6:28

thanks, Marie ♥ 6:29pm
VantuckyEd: Thank you for this show. As an illustrator I can't express enough how bad Gen AI is for so many artists. ♥ 6:30pm
Mark Hurst:

↳ VantuckyEd @6:29

Thanks. We need (human) illustrators! ♥ 6:31pm
tom tom the pipers son:

↳ Will thee SG OCNY @6:27

i guess that was partially the (ab)use in the accumulation of mug shots also 🤖 ♥ 6:32pm
tim: Alright! My local library has AI Snake Oil. 🤖 ♥ 6:32pm
Will thee SG OCNY:

↳ tom tom the pipers son @6:31

truth 6:33pm
MarciB: Interesting article in the Atlantic today -
"The GPT Era is Already Ending" . I haven't read it yet but am hopeful... 🤖 ♥ 6:33pm
Wendy del Formaggio:

↳ tim @6:32

Thank you for supporting your local library. ♥ 6:34pm
Folsom:

↳ tim @6:32

I just checked my library, 8 holds on one copy, may have to wait a while 🤖 ♥ 6:35pm
Wendy del Formaggio: This link will tell you which libraries in and near Jersey City have "AI Snake Oil." If you live elsewhere, you can change the location on the page. search.worldcat.org... 🤖 ♥ 6:36pm
Webhamster Henry:

↳ MarciB @6:33

It's ending because a new Machine learning algorithm is going to take over! 🤖 ♥ 6:36pm
tim:

↳ Wendy del Formaggio @6:33

My pleasure! 99% of my book reading is from the library. Physical books. 🤖 ♥ 6:36pm
Wendy del Formaggio:

↳ tim @6:36

<3 🤖 ♥ 6:37pm
tim:

↳ Folsom @6:34

2 holds at my library! ♥ 6:37pm
tom tom the pipers son: so AI is like an voracious nitwit 🤖 ♥ 6:37pm
Wendy del Formaggio:

↳ Folsom @6:34

Did you put a hold on it? With that much interest, your library's non-fiction collection development person may choose to order a second copy. 🤖 ♥ 6:37pm
Webhamster Henry: A teacher friend of mine has the students use AI , it will be in their future, but document how it's used. 🤖 ♥ 6:38pm
tim:

↳ Wendy del Formaggio @6:36

Full disclosure: when I'm not being super cool guy on the WFMU chats, I'm a library specialist at an academic library. 🤖 ♥ 6:39pm
Will thee SG OCNY: wanted ai to sense how dirty clothes or dishes are, not to be art or thought ♥ 6:39pm
Folsom:

↳ Wendy del Formaggio @6:37

I put a hold on it, found out it's a digital copy, that works for me. 🤖 ♥ 6:40pm
Wendy del Formaggio:

↳ tim @6:38

GTFO! I had no idea. Yay!
Full disclosure: when I'm not being a super cool person on the WFMU chats, or hosting my own radio show, I'm a librarian at a public library here in Vermont. 🤖 ♥ 6:40pm
Wendy del Formaggio:

↳ Folsom @6:39

yay! 🤖 ♥ 6:40pm
tim:

↳ Wendy del Formaggio @6:40

Nice! ♥ 6:40pm
egould:

↳ MarciB @6:33

"The GPT Era is Already Ending" Yeah, I was watching Bloomberg in the morning in a hotel back in May. Every single story/discussion/talking head had to mention AI. It was at that point I realized there was a lot of hype, and the charlatans were pumping the idiots for money. And that it had already busted. The charlatans knew, the idiots *still* haven't figured it out. It's busted. 🤖 ♥ 6:41pm
Wendy del Formaggio:

↳ egould @6:40

hello, egould! 6:42pm
joe_rosevear:

↳ egould @6:40

Well, what era is next? ♥ 6:43pm
egould:

↳ joe_rosevear @6:42

Hi Wendy! ♥ 6:43pm
VantuckyEd: My wife works for a major banking company and you should hear how her nitwit managers blab on about using AI. 🤖 ♥ 6:44pm
Ken From Hyde Park: Sinister use of AI: medical insurance companies using it to find ways to deny patients of coverage. ♥ 6:44pm
egould:

↳ joe_rosevear @6:42

I don't pretend to know, and don't speculate. I just know when something is overhyped. It's usually when the TV talking people can't stop talking about it. 6:44pm
joe_rosevear:

↳ Wendy del Formaggio @6:41

I think I got your "Hi, Wendy!" from egould. ♥ 6:45pm
egould:

↳ joe_rosevear @6:44

Hi Joe! :-) 🤖 ♥ 6:45pm
Wendy del Formaggio:

↳ joe_rosevear @6:44

I saw that and intercepted it. Thanks. ♥ 6:45pm
tom tom the pipers son: the chimera of a.i. is a promise total safety, total convenience, de facto totality like an 'iron dome' which didn't exactly work out ♥ 6:45pm
VantuckyEd:

↳ Ken From Hyde Park @6:44

Oh yeh, Mark should do a show about Evicore.or EVILcore as doctors call them. 6:45pm
joe_rosevear:

↳ egould @6:45

Yes, "Hi!" 🤖 ♥ 6:46pm
tim: This is a very validating conversation.   6:47pm
Deb from California:

↳ VantuckyEd @6:43

Hmmmm ... The use of a computer - - does not make the user "not a nitwit". 6:47pm
MarciB: I have a young colleague who keeps raving about the self-driving cars in SF. It's boring! ♥ 6:47pm
VantuckyEd:

↳ Deb from California @6:47

OK I'll opt for twits :) 6:48pm
joe_rosevear:

↳ VantuckyEd @6:47

How about, "Button Pushers?" ♥ 6:49pm
egould:

↳ VantuckyEd @6:47

You got your nits, your twits, and your nitwits.   6:50pm
biomurph: It's really cart-before-the-horse-putting. Their medical diagnostic 'AI' should have to go through the most rigorous medical education like a dozen times at different schools, and then they have to set up a practice or work in a hospital, and then we'll see ♥ 6:51pm
VantuckyEd:

↳ egould @6:49

Ha! 6:51pm
joe_rosevear: You don't need to be a weatherman, to know which way the wind is blowing. 🤖 ♥ 6:52pm
tim: Wow! Thanks Arvind and Mark! Great, great, great conversation! 🤖 ♥ 6:52pm
Will thee SG OCNY: interesting chat, thank you Mark and Arvind!   6:53pm
Luigi Mangione: My favorite show !! 🤖 ♥ 6:53pm
Bas NL: Thanks Mark! Thanks Arvind! ♥ 6:53pm
dale: top google result - 'princeton a.i. reserachers are some of the best in the world.' 🤖 ♥ 6:53pm
Webhamster Henry: I also use Bookshop.org exclusively if I can't get it direct from the author! 🤖 ♥ 6:53pm
chresti: Thanks Mark and Arvind! ♥ 6:53pm
VantuckyEd: added to my bookshop.org wishlist. Nice! ♥ 6:53pm
dale: ....surprised they published his book. 6:55pm
joe_rosevear: Yes, thank you Mark and Arvind!   6:56pm
wimpy: Idk if anyones been keeping up with the news about the shooter today, but the guy they arrested had a gnarly back surgery so the ai could be very relevant to that 🤖 ♥ 6:56pm
tim: But United's algorithm is right 10% of the time! ♥ 6:56pm
VantuckyEd: United has moved on to using Evicore - according to Propublicas report. ♥ 6:57pm
VantuckyEd: Evicore is even more nefarious ♥ 6:57pm
egould: Thanks Mark and Arvind. Interesting discussion. ♥ 6:57pm
gauche knee: Fantastic show, thank you Arvind & Mark! Will be using the public library & bookshop for AI snake oil just like I did for Delay Deny Defend. 🤖 ♥ 6:57pm
Wendy del Formaggio: Thank you, Mark and Arvind! ♥ 6:58pm
bleubombersune: Mark great interview . UHC rejection rate worse of all major Health Insurance Companies (32%) all stay safe and be well 🤖 ♥ 6:58pm
tim: Thanks, Mark! ♥ 6:58pm
dale: lack of outrage or empathy for this ceo says so much. ♥ 6:58pm
Folsom: I like the line about life and death shouldn't be in the hands of people, it's the job of the AI programmed by the health industry. 🤖 ♥ 6:58pm
Will thee SG OCNY: EPROM
Eraseable Programable Read Only Memory 🤖 ♥ 6:59pm
Ken From Hyde Park: Thanks, Mark & Arvind. Surrogate President Musk will surely be pushing for AI to take over government functions real soon. ♥ 6:59pm
mistercaz: thanks very much. Will take a look at the book,& newsletter. Yes, let's avoid amazonian monopoly whenever possible. 🤖 ♥ 6:59pm
Bas NL: We have the ongoing debacle of Dutch citizens being falsely accused of fraud with children tax benefits based on findings by wrong algorithms. Tens of thousands have be left in destitution and the matters has been in the open for years without a proper resolution. ♥ 6:59pm
Mark Hurst: Thanks, everyone, good comments! Have a good week. ♥ 7:00pm
Mark Hurst:

↳ Bas NL @6:59

Yikes! Sounds like the British post office scandal! ♥ 7:16pm
coelacanth∅: Thanks Mark