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Techtonic with Mark Hurst | WFMU

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2025-07-08 · via Techtonic with Mark Hurst | WFMU

Listener comments!

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: Hello Dan.
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Deano de los Muertos: Hi Dan
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JeremyB: DAN! DAN! DAN! Great to hear you on the radio!
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Ken From Hyde Park: I want to know all about the LITE side of modern technology.
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HurstBot: I..was not asked.
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cosmic matrix: morfadooooo!
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Bas NL: Hello Dan! All!
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chresti: Hi Dan and techtonians!
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newton: it's 3AM!
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Webhamster Henry: Hi Dan! Check out the extremely scary new Veo3 videos!
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Dan Morfitt:

↳ newton @6:02

It's not, the website is wonky as it is! I don't want people to thing the time is all wrong too!
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Dan Morfitt: Will AI save the Talkies? Chat here if you hold it dear.
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joe mulligan:

↳ HurstBot @6:01

I'd love to see a completed HurstBot profile in WFMU
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Deano de los Muertos: I watched Mickey 17 last night, I thought it was pretty damn good
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Ken From Hyde Park: No AI in TV ads, either, if you please.
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newton:

↳ Dan Morfitt @6:04

it is in Islamabad
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Dan Morfitt:

↳ Webhamster Henry @6:03

To paraphrase Roy Walker, Veo3 is good but it's not right. However, it's better than Tom Hanks' eyes in The Polar Express. Worst Zombie film ever
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:05pm
Webhamster Henry: Actually Tom Cruise starts off the new M:I theatrically projected film with a "Thank you for putting your ass in a seat" message.
  6:06pm
HurstBot: I spy on you..not the other way around.
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joe_rosevear: OK, I'm here! Hello all.

And the answer is... Why save the movies? Movies have rather gone down hill. This is the natural continuation of the ongoing degradation.

However, AI will produce much profit by its participation in making movies. l'm excited about this, as profit motivates progress!

  6:08pm
Tom from Stirling: Many movie theaters don't accept cash anymore
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Adi From Sheffield: Jaws 3D!
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Tom from Stirling:

↳ joe_rosevear @6:07

No more movies?
No more movie theaters.
More big empty buildings around the country.
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Dan Morfitt:

↳ joe_rosevear @6:07

I think they will change into something else. COVID saw a big push towards more viewing at home.

And what is the line between great VFX and okay AI? Why is the T Rex in the 90's Jurassic Park better than what we see, and definitely don't feel now?

Or we merely remake Tron again!

Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:10pm
Webhamster Henry: A very few 3D movies actually work really nicely in 3d: Coraline, where the fantasy world is more 3D-ish than the real world, and Hugo.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:11pm
Webhamster Henry: The effects in House are the best effects!
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Dan Morfitt:

↳ Webhamster Henry @6:11

It's definitely not Hugh Laurie's real accent though.
  6:15pm
SpikeyBXL: Trust radio to tell you sound is bad 😉
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Webhamster Henry:

↳ Webhamster Henry @6:11

en.wikipedia.org...
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Dan Morfitt:

↳ Webhamster Henry @6:16

Ooh, that looks magnificent.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:17pm
Deano de los Muertos: avatar is only mentioned because of the money it made.
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Webhamster Henry:

↳ Dan Morfitt @6:17

Another convert!
  6:18pm
A2B: Good evening Mark & Techtonians!

A bit related to tonight's show:
When Fran Drescher was appointed the president of SAG-AFTRA as the union was still on strike (this week marks two years since she took over the position), she gave an empassioned speech about how the Hollywood heirarchy was threatening to sacrifice vital manpower in favor of AI technology to produce theatrical and TV features. Here's that remarkable speech she gave at a press conference:

https://youtu.be/J4SAPOX7R5M

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Dan Morfitt:

↳ Deano de los Muertos @6:17

Money talks, sadly. It does have its fans, I will give it that, but I don't think Cameron has pushed on the artform with blue people.
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A2B:

↳ Dan Morfitt @6:18

Oh, and Good Evening, Dan!
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Webhamster Henry: Our very own People Like Us makes 360 degree movies.
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DanFA: When is Odorama coming back?
  6:22pm
Tom from Stirling: Does not sound like a very rosy view of the future of cinema.
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Spikey BXL:

↳ DanFA @6:21

Scratch and sniff
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A2B:

↳ DanFA @6:21

Whenever John Waters feels like bringing it back.
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Mark T: Hello
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Dan Morfitt:

↳ A2B @6:19

And you! The Nanny is an interesting one because the technology is improving than any new motions can be put to its Union members. The fine lines keep getting redrawn.

John Waters and AI would be a wonderful mix. Let's drive to Baltimore!

Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:25pm
DanFA:

↳ A2B @6:22

Unfortunately, no one wants to finance his movies.
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Deano de los Muertos: the beginning of Nate K.’s show reminds me of her plan in Inglorious Basterds
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Tom from Stirling:

↳ Song: "Cat People (Putting Out Fire)" by "David Bowie"

That was a good movie.
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dk50b: Having seen IMAX at Cinesphere in Toronto, world's first IMAX theater, what's passed off as IMAX at multiplexes isn't even from the same planet. And agree true IMAX doesn't work for traditional narrative films.
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DanFA:

↳ Tom from Stirling @6:26

Both were not good.
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Jeff Moore: I had to leave an Imax theatre which was filling my entire field of vision with an interminal shaky-camera scene because I got completely queasy. I mean, I still felt like I had to hurl well after escaping that hell.
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James Douglas: Dan Morfitt, the McGiver of Radio Hosts. Always impresses.
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Deano de los Muertos:

↳ dk50b @6:26

I agree, I always knew IMAX as the big sphere screen, like at Liberty Science Center
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Ken From Hyde Park: Maybe some AI Warren Miller skiing films would be neat.
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Tom from Stirling:

↳ DanFA @6:26

Good, not great. 3/5 stars
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Dan Morfitt:

↳ dk50b @6:26

Sinners has a go, but the vastness of true IMAX isn't conducive to best framing of a scene. It is good at showing absolutely EVERYTHING a director wants to show off with.

Same with Nolan's mucking about with the plane in The Dark Night Rises. Huge, but not truly cinematic IMO.

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Dan Morfitt:

↳ James Douglas @6:28

Happy with being MacGruber if that's also available.
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cosmic matrix: In an IMAX I can remember watching a movie about a baby cradle that rolls away…oh also I saw 2001: A Space Odyssey in IMAX many years later
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James Douglas:

↳ Dan Morfitt @6:29

If the 6-9 weekday slot ever opens up, you've got my vote. Whether you want it or not!
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cosmic matrix: I miss film though. Digital has its many pros but cellouid is special.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:31pm
cosmic matrix: Celluloid
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cosmic matrix: Celluloid?
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Dan Morfitt:

↳ cosmic matrix @6:30

It's a glow, not matter how many filter passes or color grading gives it the same warmth and depth.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:32pm
cosmic matrix:

↳ cosmic matrix @6:32

can’t beat pure light
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A2B:

↳ Song: "Cat People (Putting Out Fire)" by "David Bowie"

Never saw this movie in it's enirety, but Nastassja Kinski gives an extraordinary performance in this.
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dk50b:

↳ Dan Morfitt @6:28

Took seeing a few wide releases in IMAX and an article pointing out it's a round peg on a square screen to realize it's another unworthy studio cash grab.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:33pm
Handy Haversack: "You can use platform capture"?

Sheesh, cold comfort, that.

  6:33pm
sensisio: Thanks for covering entertainment. Work in F&T has definitely slowed down partially bc of the A.I.
  6:34pm
Fredericks: I misread the blurb. I thought the guest was John Ashcroft and we were going to get the live version of Let The Eagle Fly.
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sensisio: Love that Bowie song so much
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:35pm
Webhamster Henry: Also new video genned AI provides the foley effects as well as all the other film components.
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Ken From Hyde Park: AI movies plus goggles you put on that give you the IMAX effect any time, anywhere.
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Fredericks:

↳ Ken From Hyde Park @6:01

Yeah, Good point.
  6:36pm
A2B:

↳ A2B @6:33

On a related note, I still haven't seen "Moonage Daydream" and hope it's streaming somewhere on the net. Hopefully a YT channel is running it.
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Deano de los Muertos: He translated the English to English
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Tom from Stirling:

↳ A2B @6:36

Actually, not that good. Disappointing
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Dan Morfitt:

↳ A2B @6:36

It's ok, the new mixes are good, but I do adore the Radio Soulwax Dave movie. It is fan-ruddy-tastic

vimeo.com...

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Spikey BXL:

↳ Deano de los Muertos @6:38

Subtle post Independence Day British dig
  6:42pm
Fredericks:

↳ Tom from Stirling @6:10

Just plug into your brain.
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Ken From Hyde Park: I wonder how big is the market for silly AI comedy movies, AKA slopstick.
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A2B:

↳ Dan Morfitt @6:39

Thanks, Dave! Will view later!
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cosmic matrix: If they want people back in theaters, they need to make a portrait-oriented screen like a giant cell phone.
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Dan Morfitt:

↳ Spikey BXL @6:39

Everyone forgets the further Wars of Independence... We and the Canadians did burn down the White House. The rebuild was done by the Property Brothers on HGTV.
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Dan Morfitt:

↳ cosmic matrix @6:46

This is interesting, amazing for live sports, but I don't think completely great for movies...

www.cosm.com...

Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:50pm
cosmic matrix:

↳ Dan Morfitt @6:47

ooooh the orbital event looks fun
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PaulRobeson1925: Everyones gone to the movies we’re alone at last
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Spikey BXL: Cheers John, Dan.
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Ken From Hyde Park: The government defunding of PBS gives a chance for AI-based documentaries and Shakespearian plays to fill the void.
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Dan Morfitt: Mark Hurst will return to the Techtonic chair next week. Thank you for joining my fill-in this week.

Listen back to my previous shows on the mighty FMU here www.wfmu.org...

Ta-ra a'bit! Thank you also to John Ashbrook for joining us.

  6:52pm
sensisio: @cosmic matrix. haha.. don't give THEM ideas
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Laura Panic: Darn it , missed Dan live!!
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PaulRobeson1925: Good talking all around
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sensisio: Heres to long format attention span. ... #pil
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Fishtown Mike: Thanks Dan! Off to listen to the Ocean Colour Scene...
  6:54pm
A2B: Thank you, Dan! Nice chat tonight!
(Also, good choice for the closing number! I have this single!)
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Deano de los Muertos: Thanks Dan and all
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dk50b: Podcasts are completely different from commercial radio. Recently ended 9 years as a traffic producer, on air traffic reporters used my info. With younger generations not listening, there's been a massive removal of such immediate information, replaced by apps as well. Further, I got my favorite songs from the radio, along with friends. Podcasts don't have that reach.
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Ken From Hyde Park: Maybe movies will have an "AI content" rating. "The following film is 31% AI-generated."
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Fredericks:

↳ A2B @6:36

Are you serious?
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Deano de los Muertos:

↳ dk50b @6:55

I agree. Michele gets irate when people say she has a podcast instead of a radio show..and she should be!
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bleubombersune: thanks Dan and Stu