This week we talk to David Khourshid, the founder of stately.ai, a company that is building a state machine visualizer and debugger. David is also the creator of x-state, a JavaScript library for state machines. We talk about the history of x-state, how it works, and how it change your code. We also talk about the future of state machines and how they can be used in the real world. [Join our patreon for the full episode](https://www.patreon.com/devtoolsfm). [Twitter](https://twitter.com/DavidKPiano) [GitHub](https://github.com/davidkpiano) [Stately](https://stately.ai) [xstate](https://xstate.js.org)