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In August 2019, Sholonda was back in the studio for the 19th time to film for Maury — but this time, she wasn’t the one who would run. She received the typical boos and thumbs-downs from the studio audience at the Rich Forum in Stamford, Connecticut when the host revealed how many times she’d graced the daytime talk show’s stage to air her personal drama. But she quickly won them back, earning a wave of cheers when it was announced she had recently lost 150 pounds.

But Sholonda was about to get a slap in the face. Before she even stepped onto the set that journalist-turned daytime talk show host Maury Povich used for the final 14 years of his 31-season run, the audience had learned that her husband, Tyrell, and daughter, Deanna, were having a shocking secret affair — and that Tyrell was claiming to be the father of Deanna’s toddler. A challenge to the family dynamic, to say the least.

Throughout the now-infamous segment, Povich encouraged Sholonda to “let it all out” as she sobbed, screamed at Tyrell and had to be held back as she tried to attack him. The audience — shouting, flailing and worked into a frenzy as Deanna explained that Tyrell came to her hotel room the previous night — hit a fever pitch as Povich, the grandmaster of the spectacle, read the DNA test results to determine the truth behind the child’s paternity.

“I’ve been opening these envelopes a long, long time, and this might be the one I do not want to open,” he said to viewers at home and the audience in front of him. Some say this formula — used on Maury, the reigning champion of daytime TV ratings for years — was “barrier-breaking” and “hypnotic.” Others saw flat-out exploitation of underprivileged people that used false sympathy to sink lower than Jerry Springer’s notorious 11 a.m. brawl-oriented spectacles.

When Maury ended its original run in 2022, the once-dominant daytime format had already been in decline for years. Syndicated talk shows that routinely pulled in up to 5 million daily viewers in the 1990s now struggle to crack 1 million, according to Nielsen data; meanwhile, dozens of local-market staples have quietly disappeared. The Ellen DeGeneres Show, The Wendy Williams Show, The Real, and Dr. Oz all ended in 2022, and this year, the entire syndicated TV ecosystem is flatlining. But even though Maury and its competitors are long gone, their legacy lives on — splintered into new forms on reality television and TikTok that have become an addiction.

This splintering is explored in the latest episode of On Par with Maury Povich, where the 87-year-old host welcomed fellow daytime talk icon Ricki Lake onto his podcast. The two sat for an hour in a Midtown Manhattan studio and reminisced about the heyday of the 1990s daytime TV scene, when Lake, at 24 and fresh off her star-making turn in John Waters’ Hairspray, became the youngest host in the genre, commanding a live studio audience. Her syndicated show launched in 1993 on New York’s WWOR, entering a crowded field of daytime hosts and carving out a new niche aimed at younger audiences and the issues they faced.

“Scared shitless” was how Povich described the general vibe among daytime hosts when Lake arrived on the scene. He told her as much shortly after she came to record his podcast, which scored two Webby Award nominations last week. At the height of the daytime talk boom, Lake — who beat out 100 other women for the role — was ready to launch a show under producers Garth Ancier and Gail Steinberg that would chase a coveted demographic long underserved by daytime TV: younger viewers, often dismissed as outside the homemaker-focused core audience.

“You scared the shit out of the rest of us,” Povich repeated. “You have to understand — the ’90s were the golden age of daytime talk. There were 20 of us on the air, most in our 40s and 50s. And here comes this 23-year-old who gets the youngest audience of us all.”

The format was slightly tweaked, and Ricki Lake was initially less sensational than its competitors. But its topics — beginning with shoplifting, safe sex, violence, drug use, and teen pregnancy — soon migrated to familiar territory: cheaters, lie detectors, paternity tests. The show ranked No. 2 in daytime talk behind The Oprah Winfrey Show by its second season and ran until 2004, with millions inviting Lake and her guests into their homes every day.

Those days are now gone. The syndicated talk show era took another hit when NBCUniversal stunned the industry with news that The Kelly Clarkson Show would not return, alongside long-running newsmagazine Access Hollywood, while shows hosted by Steve Wilkos and Karamo Brown were also canceled. In March, it was announced that Sherri Shepherd’s Sherri would end as well.

Recalling the bygone era while speaking with The Hollywood Reporter after their taping, both Povich and Lake say they have no regrets. Whatever critics said, they believe they made pioneering television that offered millions something that today’s reality spectacles do not: an intimate invitation into strangers’ lives.

“There’s no feeling like you’ve been welcomed into someone’s family,” Povich said. “It was like an election — we had to campaign to get into the house. We had to knock on the door, be invited in, sit at the table as a member of the family.”

In daytime TV’s heyday, hosts weren’t just presenters — they were trusted narrators of chaos. Their shows mainstreamed conversations America wasn’t yet having about interracial relationships, LGBTQ youth coming out, and the full spectrum of family conflict and trauma.

“Our show was really that platform for anyone to come on for a seven-minute segment and be heard,” Lake said. “Now everyone can do it on their own phone. Everything has been fragmented.”

She points to TikTok as a descendant of daytime television. What once played out on a single stage has dissolved into millions of individual broadcasts, each chasing the kind of audience that Maury and Ricki Lake commanded all at once.

The throughlines run deep. Confessional “storytimes,” “Am I the Asshole?”-style audience prompts, even modern equivalents of makeover segments via “Get Ready With Me” videos all echo the structure of daytime TV. Add in cooking tutorials, legal breakdowns via Stitch, or therapy takes via Duet, and the ecosystem begins to resemble a decentralized talk show. The only missing ingredient may be the genre’s signature paternity-test reveal.

Daytime’s DNA is also visible in reality television, which absorbed much of the format as it rose alongside its decline. Franchises like Keeping Up With the Kardashians and Bravo’s Real Housewives universe turned interpersonal conflict into a serialized spectacle.

“I think all of these shows are derivative of what we did,” Lake said, noting that her friend, Housewives executive producer Andy Cohen, agrees. “They’re an outgrowth of daytime talk.”

Arguably, daytime talk didn’t disappear — it redistributed. What was once centralized with chaotic but emotional storytelling, audience participation and cultural debate now exists across a fragmented attention economy. Today, every creator, from television producer to teenage influencer, is chasing the same thing: a way into the algorithm.

Yet there’s still the matter of the critics. Daytime was never considered prestigious, in part because of its warts-and-all presentation of real life. At its peak, shows like Maury and Ricki Lake were cultural and political pariahs, especially during the 1990s push for stricter broadcast standards.

“Loud, crass, argumentative and deeply desperate” was one common critique. “Exploitative” remains the dominant charge. Povich has long rejected it.

“I always defended what I did,” he said. “With paternity shows, I was trying to get a father who was denying a child into that child’s life. With lie detector tests, I was trying to find out if people could coexist. I always felt I had a good argument.”

Lake offers a more complicated and distancing reflection.

“I think we did a lot of good,” she said. “We gave marginalized people a chance to be seen. But for me, I was like an actor for hire. My producers shaped everything — I didn’t really have a voice.”

That voice came later, after she left New York following 9/11 and had children. She reinvented herself as a filmmaker with The Business of Being Born, exploring women’s birthing options and natural childbirth.

“I wanted to do something more personal and impactful,” she said.

Still, the impact of Maury and Ricki Lake lingers. It lives in the voyeuristic itch scratched by today’s top-rated shows — and in the endless scroll of clips between commercial breaks. But competing now means going up against a single viral TikTok that can reach more viewers in 24 hours than a daytime show once did in a week.

The fragments are scalable. And the Sholondas of today can now skip a single stage in Connecticut to enter a feed and have their story go global.