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Did my old job only exist because of fraud? – It's not about code
david · 2026-06-22 · via Hacker News: Best

Early in my software engineering career, the UK-based startup I worked at, GenieDB, was taken over by a US Venture Capital fund, Frost VP, owned by Stuart Frost. I was functionally the only piece that came to the US. The code was rebuilt, the rest of the team eventually rotated out, even the core strategy was replaced. But I was early in my career and excited to be working in the VC tech-startup world. I ended up making my life in the US, so this was a pretty pivotal phase in my life.

For a while I lived the start-up life: building rapidly and playing Foosball1. GenieDB actively rejected revenue opportunities (a la Silicon Valley) with the aim of getting acquired for pioneering technology. We limped along for years with never more than 3 customers, even when big-tech and eventually open-source did what we tried to do better than us. I left with mixed feelings and eventually came to realize we never had the serious footing it would have taken to actually develop significant technology.

A decade later I heard from a former colleague that Frost was being sued by the SEC for fraud. Still not sure what to make of my time at GenieDB, I was curious enough to skim the complaint, where I saw this line:

7. When Frost needed more cash to fund his lavish lifestyle, he created new portfolio companies and, after investing more fund capital into the new companies, FDC then extracted even more incubator fees.

Was GenieDB involved in this fraud somehow? I chewed on this question and it evolved to a form that began to haunt me:

Did my old job – the one that brought me to the USA and changed the course of my entire life – only exist because of fraud?

With this burning question I dove into the record of the case. The alleged fraud was simple: Frost VP operated as an incubator, providing services to the portfolio companies, and the investors say these fees charged were excessive.

The case went to binding arbitration2 and the investors won, after which the SEC sued to bar Frost from managing funds in the future. There’s some great elements like claiming a personal chef and cleaner as expenses, telling investors no salary would be paid by the fees (it was) and starting a marketing company just to sponsor someone’s visa.

But what about GenieDB? Both the arbitration and SEC suit elaborate on this idea of creating companies just to charge them fees:

The Funds may have invested in Portfolio Companies in which Stuart Frost had the greatest
personal ownership interest, or Portfolio Companies that would generate the greatest management fees for his Incubator entity. To generate fees for the Incubator, Stuart Frost may have invested the Funds' capital in Portfolio
Companies that had no viable products or business plan, thin management teams, and little chance of success. He directed imprudent investments in questionable Portfolio Companies, and sought additional rounds of funding from investors, for the purpose of generating more fees for Counter-Respondents and not for the purpose of realizing any return on the Funds' investments. In sum, Stuart Frost engaged in classic fraudulent self-dealing.

This allegation was never litigated though, neither court nor arbitrator were kind enough to rule on why GenieDB was in the portfolio. I had to dive into the evidence and decide for myself. First of all, my old CEO testified that GenieDB was paying excessive fees:

Q. All right. In fact, while you were the CEO of GenieDB, you voiced your concern directly to Mr. Frost that you thought the fees were too high; isn't that true?
A. Yes.

I was only really shaken when I saw what the insiders at the VC fund saying to each other:

From: Bill Guerry
To: Stuart Frost
Subject: latest forecasts
Attachments: Frost Forecast 5-8-14.xslx; Fund Forecast - 5-12-14.xslx

Here is the most recent forecasts for the fund and incubator.

Funds:
Assumes we put in $1 million for Jointly, Maana and Osprey, but second million not reflected. Assumes we add 2 more companies 18 and 19.

Incubator
Assumes we add 2 more companies 18 and 19.
INcludes allocation for Colaco starting in June. ($200k annual or $116k remainder of the year)
Does not include Oren analyst position
Does not include any CFO addition, would push this out until early next year.
Assumes one additional incubator headcount       Miles CTO in June
Assumes Luis will continue to be charged to the GP as fundraising cost
Does not include a reduction for SegOne fee.
***Right now we need 2 more companies to cover our costs (with Genie coming out in June)***

To me, this email shows that the investments were motivated by the fees3 and GenieDB was being used to siphon investor money away. I felt like an ant. My career, my family, my citizenship all would be completely different except for this fraud. This story plays out between investors, multi-millionaire VCs, judges, and my entire life isn’t even a footnote.

I took a deep breath. GenieDB did have a concept at the core, which pre-dated Frost turning his eyes on us. A concept which turned out to be quite useful when more serious players took it on. My colleagues and I were really trying to build it, even if the fund manager was eating up our runway with spurious fees for his personal gain. I wasn’t just some instrument of fraud working on nothing.

Besides, turbulence from chance events, lighthearted decisions and even crime alters the course of every life. Stories of chance meetings of a spouse are dime-a-dozen. I just looked in my wake and was surprised by a dark current.


  1. Amusingly Foosball ability reflected the corporate hierarchy. Stuart Frost was hands down the best. His second in command a close second, and GenieDB’s CEO could beat any of us programmers. ↩︎
  2. In fact Frost actually initiated the arbitration because he alleged the investors were conspiring against him. The counterclaim laid out the fraud. ↩︎
  3. “With Genie coming out” here is referring to GenieDB dissolving and not paying fees to the incubator any more. GenieDB isn’t one of the companies they are proposing here. ↩︎